Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[kaz]

Remember when the blacks in Mississippi and Alabama were fighting for the right to ride on buses in the 1960's? That's what the white ignorant racists called the Freedom Riders. They called them commies, socialists and Marxists. Your reply exposes your ignorance. Thank you.

LOL, after your eight year old post about TV characters you don't like being Republicans.

Did you know that Jim Crow laws were ... wait for it ... government? WTF! So basically you're blasting an anti-government libertarian for government laws. LOL. Liberalism, stupidity you can't even make up...

Huh?

Blew you away with that one, didn't I. What? Jim Crow ... laws ... are government? You learn something new every day, don't you TrainedSeal?

Seems to me that my story is a perfect example of the purpose of our government. The hick governor and police weren't protecting black citizens in Alabama and Mississippi and Kennedy had to step in. The racist white power structure back then complained about states rights then too just like you republicans do today. It's getting old.

My only point was that's what the racists down south called the freedom riders simply for wanting to ride on a grayhound bus. Today we don't want the corporations to own our government, which they pretty much do now, and when we say we don't like it, here you guys go again calling us those same names. Do you even know what that word means schmuck?

LOL, the purpose of government is fighting racist government laws. That's just precious. Do you dress yourself or does the nurse do that for you?

And again, you're saying to a libertarian that I'm responsible for big government, which I oppose. Yet you, who love government, aren't responsible for government making racist laws. Do you have a flowchart to track your position, or do you just grope your way through the fog of stupidity that you live in?

 

[pvsi]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

I find the mentality of libertarians, liberals and conservatives all identical to one another, each side has a goal of dominating over others rather than to do what is best for humanity, each side is a true plague to humanity, like religions to God. Libertarians say they want to cut taxes, but they are not interested to hear about cutting all taxes such as internet tax, phone, television tax, health care tax, all disguised as some sort of services and fees, they are all the same hypocrites and in my view distractors from the solution. My videos demonstrate my points in my sig:

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

I find the mentality of libertarians, liberals and conservatives all identical to one another, each side has a goal of dominating over others rather than to do what is best for humanity, each side is a true plague to humanity, like religions to God. Libertarians say they want to cut taxes, but they are not interested to hear about cutting all taxes such as internet tax, phone, television tax, health care tax, all disguised as some sort of services and fees, they are all the same hypocrites and in my view distractors from the solution. My videos demonstrate my points in my sig:

Bullshit! The only ones who didn't like the new deal were the rich. The American Middle Class grew so big and strong no country in the history of the world ever saw such a huge robust thriving middle class.

But the rich didn't like it. They wanted more of the pie. Just like any business, they want more and more and more. They don't care about society.

Listen you stupid shit. Roosevelt was rich. He looked out for the poor and the middle class. The rich called him a traitor to his class. And look at how the rich/republicans/corporations treat guys like Carter, Clinton & Obama. They certainly don't let them lead like they allowed Reagan and Bush to lead.

The rich want you to think they are all alike so you either vote GOP or don't vote at all. If they are all alike, vote Democratic.

 

[sealybobo]

LOL, after your eight year old post about TV characters you don't like being Republicans.

Did you know that Jim Crow laws were ... wait for it ... government? WTF! So basically you're blasting an anti-government libertarian for government laws. LOL. Liberalism, stupidity you can't even make up...

Huh?

Blew you away with that one, didn't I. What? Jim Crow ... laws ... are government? You learn something new every day, don't you TrainedSeal?

Seems to me that my story is a perfect example of the purpose of our government. The hick governor and police weren't protecting black citizens in Alabama and Mississippi and Kennedy had to step in. The racist white power structure back then complained about states rights then too just like you republicans do today. It's getting old.

My only point was that's what the racists down south called the freedom riders simply for wanting to ride on a grayhound bus. Today we don't want the corporations to own our government, which they pretty much do now, and when we say we don't like it, here you guys go again calling us those same names. Do you even know what that word means schmuck?

LOL, the purpose of government is fighting racist government laws. That's just precious. Do you dress yourself or does the nurse do that for you?

And again, you're saying to a libertarian that I'm responsible for big government, which I oppose. Yet you, who love government, aren't responsible for government making racist laws. Do you have a flowchart to track your position, or do you just grope your way through the fog of stupidity that you live in?

If it makes such clear obvious sense how come you guys aren't winning over hearts and minds? How come you can't win elections? So do me a favor, shut the fuck up lunatic. You guys think you are so smart but really you aren't even worth the time.

Go debate the green party and get back to me on who won.

 

[kaz]

Huh?

Blew you away with that one, didn't I. What? Jim Crow ... laws ... are government? You learn something new every day, don't you TrainedSeal?

Seems to me that my story is a perfect example of the purpose of our government. The hick governor and police weren't protecting black citizens in Alabama and Mississippi and Kennedy had to step in. The racist white power structure back then complained about states rights then too just like you republicans do today. It's getting old.

My only point was that's what the racists down south called the freedom riders simply for wanting to ride on a grayhound bus. Today we don't want the corporations to own our government, which they pretty much do now, and when we say we don't like it, here you guys go again calling us those same names. Do you even know what that word means schmuck?

LOL, the purpose of government is fighting racist government laws. That's just precious. Do you dress yourself or does the nurse do that for you?

And again, you're saying to a libertarian that I'm responsible for big government, which I oppose. Yet you, who love government, aren't responsible for government making racist laws. Do you have a flowchart to track your position, or do you just grope your way through the fog of stupidity that you live in?

If it makes such clear obvious sense how come you guys aren't winning over hearts and minds? How come you can't win elections? So do me a favor, shut the fuck up lunatic. You guys think you are so smart but really you aren't even worth the time.

Go debate the green party and get back to me on who won.

Did you ever figure out that Jim Crow laws were actually government?

 

[sealybobo]

Blew you away with that one, didn't I. What? Jim Crow ... laws ... are government? You learn something new every day, don't you TrainedSeal?



LOL, the purpose of government is fighting racist government laws. That's just precious. Do you dress yourself or does the nurse do that for you?

And again, you're saying to a libertarian that I'm responsible for big government, which I oppose. Yet you, who love government, aren't responsible for government making racist laws. Do you have a flowchart to track your position, or do you just grope your way through the fog of stupidity that you live in?

If it makes such clear obvious sense how come you guys aren't winning over hearts and minds? How come you can't win elections? So do me a favor, shut the fuck up lunatic. You guys think you are so smart but really you aren't even worth the time.

Go debate the green party and get back to me on who won.

Did you ever figure out that Jim Crow laws were actually government?

Yea, at the state and local levels. It's because red necks in red states didn't like treating blacks like they were humans let alone equal citizens. Like I said many times, Republicans don't just say government is bad, they prove it.

By the way, here is another reason not to vote GOP. We are living the GOP dream today folks! They didn't like it when the masses took part in the American Dream. In the Libertarian/Republican's version of the perfect America, only 1 in 8 are living the American Dream. They didn't like all those low skilled factory union workers making as much as they were and living the American dream. So when the GOP shipped all those jobs overseas, that meant millions of Americans would no longer be able to save for retirement, have kids, buy a home, etc. Today people aren't saving, aren't making enough and healthcare is bleeding them dry.

What does it take to live the American Dream today? $130K. How many people are living the dream? 1 in 8.

But if you complain to the GOP they'll tell you that you are a socialist who wants to redistribute the wealth. Basically take what isn't ours. But that is exactly what the rich did with Bush in office. And today they want to blame Obama?

Price tag for the American dream: $130K a year

 

[Uncensored2008]

Huh? Seems to me that my story is a perfect example of the purpose of our government.

To pass Jim Crow laws?

I'm not sure you've thought this through, Silly Bonobo.

The hick governor and police weren't protecting black citizens in Alabama and Mississippi and Kennedy had to step in. The racist white power structure back then complained about states rights then too just like you republicans do today. It's getting old.

Lying for your shameful party?

The fact is the democrats were blocking black children from attending school, and REPUBLICAN Eisenhower had to step in to smack you democrat scumbags down.

My only point was that's what the racists down south called the freedom riders simply for wanting to ride on a grayhound bus.

That may be your "only point," but it's one made of utter stupidity and complete ignorance.

Where did you get the stupid idea that blacks were prohibited from riding on a bus? Blacks were required in some counties to ride in the BACK of the bus, not prohibited from riding, monkey boi.

Today we don't want the corporations to own our government,

That's why you voted for Obama twice, owned by mega-billionaire George Soros, he merged corporations like Blue Cross and Kaiser with the federal government.

Now there is no difference between government and well connected corporations.

Yo Silly Bonobo, what is the relationship between the man who owns the democratic party - George Soros - and Blue Cross?

Can you say "majority stockholder?" I knew you could....

which they pretty much do now, and when we say we don't like it, here you guys go again calling us those same names. Do you even know what that word means schmuck?

I call you "fucktard" because you are indeed, fucking retarded. Which makes you a perfect democrats.

Be proud, you stand beside other life long democrats like Bull Connor, Orval Faubus, Fritz Hollings, George Wallace, KKK Grand Kleagal Robert Byrd, and Albert Gore...

Put on your white robe and pointy hood and uphold the values of the DNC!

 

[kaz]

If it makes such clear obvious sense how come you guys aren't winning over hearts and minds? How come you can't win elections? So do me a favor, shut the fuck up lunatic. You guys think you are so smart but really you aren't even worth the time.

Go debate the green party and get back to me on who won.

Did you ever figure out that Jim Crow laws were actually government?

Yea, at the state and local levels. It's because red necks in red states didn't like treating blacks like they were humans let alone equal citizens. Like I said many times, Republicans don't just say government is bad, they prove it.

By the way, here is another reason not to vote GOP. We are living the GOP dream today folks! They didn't like it when the masses took part in the American Dream. In the Libertarian/Republican's version of the perfect America, only 1 in 8 are living the American Dream. They didn't like all those low skilled factory union workers making as much as they were and living the American dream. So when the GOP shipped all those jobs overseas, that meant millions of Americans would no longer be able to save for retirement, have kids, buy a home, etc. Today people aren't saving, aren't making enough and healthcare is bleeding them dry.

What does it take to live the American Dream today? $130K. How many people are living the dream? 1 in 8.

But if you complain to the GOP they'll tell you that you are a socialist who wants to redistribute the wealth. Basically take what isn't ours. But that is exactly what the rich did with Bush in office. And today they want to blame Obama?

Price tag for the American dream: $130K a year

Um...they were blue states, skippy.

Those people are dead now, the south isn't like it was. I love it here.

 

[sealybobo]

If it makes such clear obvious sense how come you guys aren't winning over hearts and minds? How come you can't win elections? So do me a favor, shut the fuck up lunatic. You guys think you are so smart but really you aren't even worth the time.

Go debate the green party and get back to me on who won.

Did you ever figure out that Jim Crow laws were actually government?

Yea, at the state and local levels. It's because red necks in red states didn't like treating blacks like they were humans let alone equal citizens. Like I said many times, Republicans don't just say government is bad, they prove it.

By the way, here is another reason not to vote GOP. We are living the GOP dream today folks! They didn't like it when the masses took part in the American Dream. In the Libertarian/Republican's version of the perfect America, only 1 in 8 are living the American Dream. They didn't like all those low skilled factory union workers making as much as they were and living the American dream. So when the GOP shipped all those jobs overseas, that meant millions of Americans would no longer be able to save for retirement, have kids, buy a home, etc. Today people aren't saving, aren't making enough and healthcare is bleeding them dry.

What does it take to live the American Dream today? $130K. How many people are living the dream? 1 in 8.

But if you complain to the GOP they'll tell you that you are a socialist who wants to redistribute the wealth. Basically take what isn't ours. But that is exactly what the rich did with Bush in office. And today they want to blame Obama?

Price tag for the American dream: $130K a year

Um...they were blue states, skippy.

Those people are dead now, the south isn't like it was. I love it here.

I now know what it is like living in a red state. Our government is 100% under the control of Republicans now.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...7/governor-meet-morning-flint-mayor/78402190/

Flint mayor: Cost of lead fix could hit $1.5 billion

 

[sealybobo]

I got this email:

It’s been almost two years since Gov. Snyder allowed Flint's water source to switch from Detroit Water and Sewage to the Flint River all to save a buck. Now Flint's water supply is filled with poisonous lead.

Though residents and water quality experts called attention to the problem time and time again, newly released emails show Gov. Snyder blew off their concerns. Even his own staff was frustrated by the governor's lack of action.

Americans deserve better leadership, and we must keep up the pressure on Gov. Snyder. Stand with the people of Flint and tell Gov. Snyder to fix this crisis!

On Tuesday, Governor Rick Snyder finally declared a state of emergency in Flint, but only after his lack of leadership became national news. That's not the kind of leadership American's deserve.

 

[JoeNormal]

Perfect example of how you righties defend policies that make it harder for our generation to succeed. Remember you guys kept defending illegal workers because you said they were doing "jobs Americans wouldn't do?" Meanwhile they were taking over the construction industry.

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.

Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Again, you make assumptions about me and my beliefs simply because I have an (R) after my name.

No party holds all the cards or all the correct positions. I am strongly opposed to illegals being allowed to be here. They have taken MANY jobs from me over the years. I am strongly opposed to organized labor. They too have taken many jobs from me over the years. Not only that but they have picketed me on large commercial jobs and made my job difficult when all I wanted to do was feed my family as well as the families of my employees.

No party or politician has all the answers but to completely discredit one is to close your mind to ideas that could make our lives better. You're an ideological fool.

If you are rich then you are greedy and selfish. If you are middle class and have an R next to your name, after the last 12 years, you are a fool.

I am far from rich. However most of my customers are. Funny thing is they are some of the kindest most giving people I've ever met. I even did an estimate for Claire McCaskils sister a few years back. Despite my anti Obama sticker on my company truck we had a great conversation after the bid. She was very cordial, very nice, VERY WEALTHY and even gave me a great report on angieslist despite not hiring me.

You judge people for nonsensical superficial reasons. As such I believe your close mindedness has probably limited your ability to grow as a human being.

I'm sorry for you.

I think Sealybobo is assuming that the typical republican or libertarian is like many (most?) of their ilk on this board. While I was fairly active on this site, I fell into the same trap. There are some real scumbags lurking in here and I think most people couldn't help but feel that our country or even humanity is doomed reading some of the shit that goes on here. While I don't share republican or libertarian views, in real life, most people of these persuasions are not evil.

Sealybobo, do yourself a favor and limit your exposure to this crap.

 

[Stephanie]

Perfect example of how you righties defend policies that make it harder for our generation to succeed. Remember you guys kept defending illegal workers because you said they were doing "jobs Americans wouldn't do?" Meanwhile they were taking over the construction industry.

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.

Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Again, you make assumptions about me and my beliefs simply because I have an (R) after my name.

No party holds all the cards or all the correct positions. I am strongly opposed to illegals being allowed to be here. They have taken MANY jobs from me over the years. I am strongly opposed to organized labor. They too have taken many jobs from me over the years. Not only that but they have picketed me on large commercial jobs and made my job difficult when all I wanted to do was feed my family as well as the families of my employees.

No party or politician has all the answers but to completely discredit one is to close your mind to ideas that could make our lives better. You're an ideological fool.

If you are rich then you are greedy and selfish. If you are middle class and have an R next to your name, after the last 12 years, you are a fool.

I am far from rich. However most of my customers are. Funny thing is they are some of the kindest most giving people I've ever met. I even did an estimate for Claire McCaskils sister a few years back. Despite my anti Obama sticker on my company truck we had a great conversation after the bid. She was very cordial, very nice, VERY WEALTHY and even gave me a great report on angieslist despite not hiring me.

You judge people for nonsensical superficial reasons. As such I believe your close mindedness has probably limited your ability to grow as a human being.

I'm sorry for you.

I think Sealybobo is assuming that the typical republican or libertarian is like many (most?) of their ilk on this board. While I was fairly active on this site, I fell into the same trap. There are some real scumbags lurking in here and I think most people couldn't help but feel that our country or even humanity is doomed reading some of the shit that goes on here. While I don't share republican or libertarian views, in real life, most people of these persuasions are not evil.

Sealybobo, do yourself a favor and limit your exposure to this crap.

typical liberal here whining over others having their own views. and in a thread he started trashing others to begin with.

 

[JoeNormal]

Perfect example of how you righties defend policies that make it harder for our generation to succeed. Remember you guys kept defending illegal workers because you said they were doing "jobs Americans wouldn't do?" Meanwhile they were taking over the construction industry.

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.

Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Again, you make assumptions about me and my beliefs simply because I have an (R) after my name.

No party holds all the cards or all the correct positions. I am strongly opposed to illegals being allowed to be here. They have taken MANY jobs from me over the years. I am strongly opposed to organized labor. They too have taken many jobs from me over the years. Not only that but they have picketed me on large commercial jobs and made my job difficult when all I wanted to do was feed my family as well as the families of my employees.

No party or politician has all the answers but to completely discredit one is to close your mind to ideas that could make our lives better. You're an ideological fool.

If you are rich then you are greedy and selfish. If you are middle class and have an R next to your name, after the last 12 years, you are a fool.

I am far from rich. However most of my customers are. Funny thing is they are some of the kindest most giving people I've ever met. I even did an estimate for Claire McCaskils sister a few years back. Despite my anti Obama sticker on my company truck we had a great conversation after the bid. She was very cordial, very nice, VERY WEALTHY and even gave me a great report on angieslist despite not hiring me.

You judge people for nonsensical superficial reasons. As such I believe your close mindedness has probably limited your ability to grow as a human being.

I'm sorry for you.

I think Sealybobo is assuming that the typical republican or libertarian is like many (most?) of their ilk on this board. While I was fairly active on this site, I fell into the same trap. There are some real scumbags lurking in here and I think most people couldn't help but feel that our country or even humanity is doomed reading some of the shit that goes on here. While I don't share republican or libertarian views, in real life, most people of these persuasions are not evil.

Sealybobo, do yourself a favor and limit your exposure to this crap.

typical liberal here whining over others having their own views. and in a thread he started trashing others to begin with.

What does this mean?

 

[bripat9643]

If it makes such clear obvious sense how come you guys aren't winning over hearts and minds? How come you can't win elections? So do me a favor, shut the fuck up lunatic. You guys think you are so smart but really you aren't even worth the time.

Go debate the green party and get back to me on who won.

Did you ever figure out that Jim Crow laws were actually government?

Yea, at the state and local levels. It's because red necks in red states didn't like treating blacks like they were humans let alone equal citizens. Like I said many times, Republicans don't just say government is bad, they prove it.

By the way, here is another reason not to vote GOP. We are living the GOP dream today folks! They didn't like it when the masses took part in the American Dream. In the Libertarian/Republican's version of the perfect America, only 1 in 8 are living the American Dream. They didn't like all those low skilled factory union workers making as much as they were and living the American dream. So when the GOP shipped all those jobs overseas, that meant millions of Americans would no longer be able to save for retirement, have kids, buy a home, etc. Today people aren't saving, aren't making enough and healthcare is bleeding them dry.

What does it take to live the American Dream today? $130K. How many people are living the dream? 1 in 8.

But if you complain to the GOP they'll tell you that you are a socialist who wants to redistribute the wealth. Basically take what isn't ours. But that is exactly what the rich did with Bush in office. And today they want to blame Obama?

Price tag for the American dream: $130K a year

Um...they were blue states, skippy.

Those people are dead now, the south isn't like it was. I love it here.

I now know what it is like living in a red state. Our government is 100% under the control of Republicans now.

Flint mayor: Cost of lead fix could hit $1.5 billion

Flint mayor: Cost of lead fix could hit $1.5 billion

You're forgetting about a certain branch of the government, aren't you?

Two, actually.

 

[Contumacious]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

PAUL "TARP" RYAN IS NOT A RANDIAN , HE IS JUST AS FASCIST AS YOU AND THE REST OF THE BUNCH.


.MEDICARE IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL SOCIALIST PONZI SCHEME.

FEDGOV HAS NO AUTHORITY TO BE IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT SCOTUS HAS RULED THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO SOCIAL SECURITY OR MEDICARE - CONGRESS CAN STOP THE BENEFITS TOMORROW AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLAIM.

YOU ARE BETTER OFF STARTING A RETIREMENT ACCOUNT WITH FIDELITY, VANGUARD , T ROWE,.......

IT IS NOT YOUR NEIGHBORS RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOU

 

[sealybobo]

Perfect example of how you righties defend policies that make it harder for our generation to succeed. Remember you guys kept defending illegal workers because you said they were doing "jobs Americans wouldn't do?" Meanwhile they were taking over the construction industry.

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.

Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Again, you make assumptions about me and my beliefs simply because I have an (R) after my name.

No party holds all the cards or all the correct positions. I am strongly opposed to illegals being allowed to be here. They have taken MANY jobs from me over the years. I am strongly opposed to organized labor. They too have taken many jobs from me over the years. Not only that but they have picketed me on large commercial jobs and made my job difficult when all I wanted to do was feed my family as well as the families of my employees.

No party or politician has all the answers but to completely discredit one is to close your mind to ideas that could make our lives better. You're an ideological fool.

If you are rich then you are greedy and selfish. If you are middle class and have an R next to your name, after the last 12 years, you are a fool.

I am far from rich. However most of my customers are. Funny thing is they are some of the kindest most giving people I've ever met. I even did an estimate for Claire McCaskils sister a few years back. Despite my anti Obama sticker on my company truck we had a great conversation after the bid. She was very cordial, very nice, VERY WEALTHY and even gave me a great report on angieslist despite not hiring me.

You judge people for nonsensical superficial reasons. As such I believe your close mindedness has probably limited your ability to grow as a human being.

I'm sorry for you.

I think Sealybobo is assuming that the typical republican or libertarian is like many (most?) of their ilk on this board. While I was fairly active on this site, I fell into the same trap. There are some real scumbags lurking in here and I think most people couldn't help but feel that our country or even humanity is doomed reading some of the shit that goes on here. While I don't share republican or libertarian views, in real life, most people of these persuasions are not evil.

Sealybobo, do yourself a favor and limit your exposure to this crap.

But I think the problem is that most American's don't care enough about politics to understand what the hell is going on. Not that some of us care too much. As long as I don't shoot up the opposition I think I'm being a good citizen. Involved.

 

[sealybobo]

Perfect example of how you righties defend policies that make it harder for our generation to succeed. Remember you guys kept defending illegal workers because you said they were doing "jobs Americans wouldn't do?" Meanwhile they were taking over the construction industry.

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.

Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.
"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Again, you make assumptions about me and my beliefs simply because I have an (R) after my name.

No party holds all the cards or all the correct positions. I am strongly opposed to illegals being allowed to be here. They have taken MANY jobs from me over the years. I am strongly opposed to organized labor. They too have taken many jobs from me over the years. Not only that but they have picketed me on large commercial jobs and made my job difficult when all I wanted to do was feed my family as well as the families of my employees.

No party or politician has all the answers but to completely discredit one is to close your mind to ideas that could make our lives better. You're an ideological fool.

If you are rich then you are greedy and selfish. If you are middle class and have an R next to your name, after the last 12 years, you are a fool.

I am far from rich. However most of my customers are. Funny thing is they are some of the kindest most giving people I've ever met. I even did an estimate for Claire McCaskils sister a few years back. Despite my anti Obama sticker on my company truck we had a great conversation after the bid. She was very cordial, very nice, VERY WEALTHY and even gave me a great report on angieslist despite not hiring me.

You judge people for nonsensical superficial reasons. As such I believe your close mindedness has probably limited your ability to grow as a human being.

I'm sorry for you.

I think Sealybobo is assuming that the typical republican or libertarian is like many (most?) of their ilk on this board. While I was fairly active on this site, I fell into the same trap. There are some real scumbags lurking in here and I think most people couldn't help but feel that our country or even humanity is doomed reading some of the shit that goes on here. While I don't share republican or libertarian views, in real life, most people of these persuasions are not evil.

Sealybobo, do yourself a favor and limit your exposure to this crap.

typical liberal here whining over others having their own views. and in a thread he started trashing others to begin with.

Especially freaks like you.

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

PAUL "TARP" RYAN IS NOT A RANDIAN , HE IS JUST AS FASCIST AS YOU AND THE REST OF THE BUNCH.


.MEDICARE IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL SOCIALIST PONZI SCHEME.

FEDGOV HAS NO AUTHORITY TO BE IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT SCOTUS HAS RULED THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO SOCIAL SECURITY OR MEDICARE - CONGRESS CAN STOP THE BENEFITS TOMORROW AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLAIM.

YOU ARE BETTER OFF STARTING A RETIREMENT ACCOUNT WITH FIDELITY, VANGUARD , T ROWE,.......

IT IS NOT YOUR NEIGHBORS RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOU

Do you understand the concept of insurance? Where you spread the risk so it lowers the cost for everyone? You should cancel your insurance and just paygo. Pay as you go.
And instead, save that money you are saving from not having insurance. And when you get sick, see if you've saved enough on your own.

NO NO NO! We don't want you in on our ponzi scheme. You are on your own.

 

[dblack]

Do you understand the concept of insurance? Where you spread the risk so it lowers the cost for everyone?

Nope. That's not the basic concept of insurance.

 

[sealybobo]

Do you understand the concept of insurance? Where you spread the risk so it lowers the cost for everyone?

Nope. That's not the basic concept of insurance.

What is the concept?