why i am against dangerous dogs lists or banned breeds

[strollingbones]

dangerous dog lists are very subjective. most dogs must be trained to bite. there are a few breeds that are given to biting more than others, i dont care for chows. they will never growl and bite. i am a doberman owner and they are a breed people want on the dangerous dog list. any one who has experience with dobs knows how sillie that concept is. maybe 30 years ago ...but not now...the problem with a doberman is simply the amount of damage a single bite will do. i saw the post that goldens are number 3 biters..correct me if i am wrong...i think labs were listed...o hell let me find the list

Top Ten (10) Most Dangerous Dog Breeds | Pets Do

#1 pitt bull

#2 rottweilers

# 3 german shephards

#4 huskies

#5 alaskan malmutes

#6 doberman pinschers (hell yea i am not just letting this one pass either )

Dobermans are great guard dogs for their alertness, intelligence and loyalty. They can be agressive dogs when provoked. The typical pet Doberman attacks only if it believes that it, its property, or its family are in danger.

#7 chow chow the favorite dog of marth stewart

#8 Presa Canario now i want to know how the hell this dog gets 8? breeders routinely muzzle them and owners do to for a good reason...this is the breed that attacked the woman in sf killing her in the hall....the dog outweighted her about 70 lb or so

#9 boxer....in defense of boxers they are territorial

#10 dalmatians...now who knew

so there you have it...pitts bulls are considered more dangerous that a presa...the list is a sham...now i do not think it is fair at all if your dog is a larger dog not to make sure that your neighbors are at peace with it.....i have told each of my neighbors if push ever came to shove to err on the side of caution...working with my neighbors has allowed me to keep my dogs free on my land but i do not kid myself...i see their tracks in the snow heading to see the dogs next door etc but my dogs stay inside much of the time ...i do not chain them that makes a dog aggressive.

i would never allow a pit bull to live next to kids...little kids like to mess with dogs thru fences or worse dogs that are on chains...

so should people be concerned with "breeds" or the owners? i say the owners. it takes a certain type to own these dogs. o and i have all my dogs neutered and spade...males should be neutered by 6 months...females around the same.

and yalls opinions would be?

 

[Dis]

dangerous dog lists are very subjective. most dogs must be trained to bite. there are a few breeds that are given to biting more than others, i dont care for chows. they will never growl and bite. i am a doberman owner and they are a breed people want on the dangerous dog list. any one who has experience with dobs knows how sillie that concept is. maybe 30 years ago ...but not now...the problem with a doberman is simply the amount of damage a single bite will do. i saw the post that goldens are number 3 biters..correct me if i am wrong...i think labs were listed...o hell let me find the list

Top Ten (10) Most Dangerous Dog Breeds | Pets Do

#1 pitt bull

#2 rottweilers

# 3 german shephards

#4 huskies

#5 alaskan malmutes

#6 doberman pinschers (hell yea i am not just letting this one pass either )

Dobermans are great guard dogs for their alertness, intelligence and loyalty. They can be agressive dogs when provoked. The typical pet Doberman attacks only if it believes that it, its property, or its family are in danger.

#7 chow chow the favorite dog of marth stewart

#8 Presa Canario now i want to know how the hell this dog gets 8? breeders routinely muzzle them and owners do to for a good reason...this is the breed that attacked the woman in sf killing her in the hall....the dog outweighted her about 70 lb or so

#9 boxer....in defense of boxers they are territorial

#10 dalmatians...now who knew

so there you have it...pitts bulls are considered more dangerous that a presa...the list is a sham...now i do not think it is fair at all if your dog is a larger dog not to make sure that your neighbors are at peace with it.....i have told each of my neighbors if push ever came to shove to err on the side of caution...working with my neighbors has allowed me to keep my dogs free on my land but i do not kid myself...i see their tracks in the snow heading to see the dogs next door etc but my dogs stay inside much of the time ...i do not chain them that makes a dog aggressive.

i would never allow a pit bull to live next to kids...little kids like to mess with dogs thru fences or worse dogs that are on chains...

so should people be concerned with "breeds" or the owners? i say the owners. it takes a certain type to own these dogs. o and i have all my dogs neutered and spade...males should be neutered by 6 months...females around the same.

and yalls opinions would be?

BOTH. Dogs have no control over who their owners are. It's up to the breeders to do that. Far too many do not. Owners typically do zero research prior to buying a dog; they simple go for what's cool, or what's cute - NOT what's going to fit with their household, lifestyle, and temperament.

 

[Amanda]

It always makes me sad to see lists like that. Pits are such sweet dogs. If I was allowed to have a pet I would look into the laws and see if I'm even allowed to. I would feel so much safer knowing a pit was sleeping at the end of my bed.

 

[Mrs. G S Patton]

dangerous dog lists are very subjective. most dogs must be trained to bite. there are a few breeds that are given to biting more than others, i dont care for chows. they will never growl and bite. i am a doberman owner and they are a breed people want on the dangerous dog list. any one who has experience with dobs knows how sillie that concept is. maybe 30 years ago ...but not now...the problem with a doberman is simply the amount of damage a single bite will do. i saw the post that goldens are number 3 biters..correct me if i am wrong...i think labs were listed...o hell let me find the list

Top Ten (10) Most Dangerous Dog Breeds | Pets Do

#1 pitt bull

#2 rottweilers

# 3 german shephards

#4 huskies

#5 alaskan malmutes

#6 doberman pinschers (hell yea i am not just letting this one pass either )

Dobermans are great guard dogs for their alertness, intelligence and loyalty. They can be agressive dogs when provoked. The typical pet Doberman attacks only if it believes that it, its property, or its family are in danger.

#7 chow chow the favorite dog of marth stewart

#8 Presa Canario now i want to know how the hell this dog gets 8? breeders routinely muzzle them and owners do to for a good reason...this is the breed that attacked the woman in sf killing her in the hall....the dog outweighted her about 70 lb or so

#9 boxer....in defense of boxers they are territorial

#10 dalmatians...now who knew

so there you have it...pitts bulls are considered more dangerous that a presa...the list is a sham...now i do not think it is fair at all if your dog is a larger dog not to make sure that your neighbors are at peace with it.....i have told each of my neighbors if push ever came to shove to err on the side of caution...working with my neighbors has allowed me to keep my dogs free on my land but i do not kid myself...i see their tracks in the snow heading to see the dogs next door etc but my dogs stay inside much of the time ...i do not chain them that makes a dog aggressive.

i would never allow a pit bull to live next to kids...little kids like to mess with dogs thru fences or worse dogs that are on chains...

so should people be concerned with "breeds" or the owners? i say the owners. it takes a certain type to own these dogs. o and i have all my dogs neutered and spade...males should be neutered by 6 months...females around the same.

and yalls opinions would be?

AMEN Bones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say the owners. irresponsible "owners" should not own a "dangerous" breed, let alone any kind of dog. As I was telling Peejay yesterday, I was attacked by the family LAB at age 5 twice! I will have the scars for the rest of my life. But it was mainly because my grandfather was a irresponsible owner.
A Pomeranian killed an infant not to long ago. Any dog can be bad under the control of an incompetent owner, but folks with these types of dogs need to be even more careful.

 

[Anguille]

The Center for Disease Control and just about every professional veterinary association agrees with you, Bones.

Laws which ban or restrict particular breeds are not effective in reducing the danger of anyone being bitten or attacked by a dog. Laws which require dog owners to provide proper care, training and exercise do reduce the danger... if these laws are enforced and people who break them are punished. Often the laws we already have on the books are ignored.

 

[Anguille]

Dogs which are not neutered are the most dangerous, regardless of breed.

 

[Sarah G]

I don't even have a dog but I watch The Dog Whisperer. Ceasar Milan takes the most vicious dogs and totally changes them.

He has a pitt called Daddy or something like that. Huge scary looking dog but he takes that dog with him to help train other dogs, to calm them down.

I've never been a dog lover until recently but I am convinced that if a dog is vicious, someone trained it to be that way.

 

[manu1959]

dogs don't attack people .... bad owners do.....

 

[dilloduck]

Take all the dogs on that list of yours and give them NO training whatsoever---do you think one breed would more prone to be bite a human than another ? Do you think one breed would do more damage with a bite than another? I think that's the point here.

 

[Seraega]

As a mailman I can definitely attest to the fact that there aren't any specific breeds that are worse than others. I think the typical breeds that get a bad name do so because scumbags are more likely to own a pitt or rottweiler than they are to own a golden retriever or lab. Those same scumbags don't get their dogs properly trained or neutered. They are frequently animal abusers too, so the animal becomes aggressive.

I think the solution is not in banning specific dog breeds, but in banning specific people from owning dogs. If your dog bites somebody that should be it. 1 strike and you're out.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its aint the beast its the master.


If you treat a dog like a dog and act like the master you can make any dog behave.

There is brain damage that can cause a problem but other than that Dogs want to have a master.

 

[alan1]

dangerous dog lists are very subjective. most dogs must be trained to bite. there are a few breeds that are given to biting more than others, i dont care for chows. they will never growl and bite. i am a doberman owner and they are a breed people want on the dangerous dog list. any one who has experience with dobs knows how sillie that concept is. maybe 30 years ago ...but not now...the problem with a doberman is simply the amount of damage a single bite will do. i saw the post that goldens are number 3 biters..correct me if i am wrong...i think labs were listed...o hell let me find the list

Here in NC, labs bite more people than any other breed, but then labs are also the most common breed in the state, so that's really just the law of averages.

 

[dilloduck]

Its aint the beast its the master.


If you treat a dog like a dog and act like the master you can make any dog behave.

There is brain damage that can cause a problem but other than that Dogs want to have a master.

great--well I want a dog that will protect me and bite the shit out of anyone who tries to harm me or my son. Do you recommend a toy poodle or a yorkshire terrier ?

 

[Anguille]

Take all the dogs on that list of yours and give them NO training whatsoever---do you think one breed would more prone to be bite a human than another ? Do you think one breed would do more damage with a bite than another? I think that's the point here.

That's a good way of looking at it. Dogs are dogs and dogs will be dogs, regardless of breed. It's the socialisation with humans and the level of stress in their lives which determines the risk for danger.

 

[dilloduck]

A dingo ate my baby !!!!!!!!!

 

[Anguille]

Its aint the beast its the master.


If you treat a dog like a dog and act like the master you can make any dog behave.

There is brain damage that can cause a problem but other than that Dogs want to have a master.

great--well I want a dog that will protect me and bite the shit out of anyone who tries to harm me or my son. Do you recommend a toy poodle or a yorkshire terrier ?

Hire a bodyguard .

I like that my dog might be a deterrent to anyone thinking of bothering me or breaking into my home but I'd be worried most about her welfare if she were ever in a postion to have to defend me or my possessions.

 

[xsited1]

Some humans deserve to be bitten, like this man and woman (not the kids, of course):



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BTW, my labs never bite anyone, although sometimes I wish they would.

 

[Amanda]

Its aint the beast its the master.


If you treat a dog like a dog and act like the master you can make any dog behave.

There is brain damage that can cause a problem but other than that Dogs want to have a master.

great--well I want a dog that will protect me and bite the shit out of anyone who tries to harm me or my son. Do you recommend a toy poodle or a yorkshire terrier ?

Hire a bodyguard .

I like that my dog might be a deterrent to anyone thinking of bothering me or breaking into my home but I'd be worried most about her welfare if she were ever in a postion to have to defend me or my possessions.

That strikes me very odd. I can't imagine thinking that way. Sure, I'd be upset if my dog got hurt, but I wouldn't worry about it. When a dog is defending it's people it's fulfilling it's purpose, it's so happy to be serving the family. Dogs are such honorable creatures. I'd be proud of my dog for facing down danger for me, not worried.

 

[Anguille]

great--well I want a dog that will protect me and bite the shit out of anyone who tries to harm me or my son. Do you recommend a toy poodle or a yorkshire terrier ?

Hire a bodyguard .

I like that my dog might be a deterrent to anyone thinking of bothering me or breaking into my home but I'd be worried most about her welfare if she were ever in a postion to have to defend me or my possessions.

That strikes me very odd. I can't imagine thinking that way. Sure, I'd be upset if my dog got hurt, but I wouldn't worry about it. When a dog is defending it's people it's fulfilling it's purpose, it's so happy to be serving the family. Dogs are such honorable creatures. I'd be proud of my dog for facing down danger for me, not worried.

I don't think a dog's purpose is to be used as a weapon, I think they serve us better as companions. When you encourage a dog to be aggressive to other people you are taking a risk.

 

[alan1]

Some humans deserve to be bitten, like this man and woman (not the kids, of course):

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BTW, my labs never bite anyone, although sometimes I wish they would.

I'll gladly contribute to your legal defense fund if your dog bites the man or woman in that picture. (not the kids of course)