Why has NATO chosen Russia as its enemy instead of ISIS?

[Stratford57]

Bryan MacDonald is an Irish journalist:
According to statements made at last weekend’s summit in Warsaw, NATO regards Russia as a bigger threat than ISIS.

The main reason is because there is very little profit in combating the, self-styled, ISIS. And NATO is primarily a money racket which provides a lot of influential people with a very comfortable lifestyle, flying around the globe on private jets and generating well-paid jobs, both directly and via the think-tank circuit.

Let’s be clear here. You don’t require submarines or nuclear weapons to engage ISIL, but you would in a putative conflict with Russia. It desires to use Moscow as a convenient bogeyman in order to maintain US defense spending, which grew 9 percent annually from 2000-2009 during the “war on terror.”
Why has NATO chosen Russia as its enemy instead of ISIS?

December 3, 2015
Putin: Russia has long been at the forefront of the fight against terrorism. This is a fight for freedom, truth and justice, for the lives of people and the future of the entire civilization.

International terrorism will never be defeated by just one country, especially in a situation when the borders are practically open, and the world is going through another resettlement of peoples, while terrorists are getting regular financial support.
Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly

Sep 4, 2015
Putin: together, and I would like to stress this word, together we need to combat terrorism and extremism of all sorts, primarily in the problem countries, to resolve this issue – without that any further progress is impossible.
Vladimir Putin answered Russian journalists’ questions

July 15. 2016
Putin: Russia knows terrorism and the threat it creates for us all. Our people have had to deal with similar tragedies many times. I would like to stress again that only through a united effort can we defeat terrorism.
Address to Francois Hollande and the French nation

Hey, the EU elites, would you ever listen to those who can and are willing to help? Or you prefer to wait till ISIS uses chemical weapons in the middle of Europe?

Who are you, the EU elites, and whose interests do you represent: the European people’s or ISIS”?

P.S. I guess, after that horrible Nice terror attack the British people are realizing: it was a good decision to vote for Brexit.

 

[Ringel05]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

 

[TNHarley]

Why would they do that? Seems like their proxy war..

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The real story on NATO is a complicated one, Stratford. It is perhaps as incredible and unbelievable as it is horrifying. Isis enjoys the protection of the Vatican until it accomplishes its mission for them in forcing the world into a New World Order which they fully intend to rule. NATO is merely an arm of the Vatican, as is the EU and the UN (which was founded not once but twice by the Jesuits - first one - which failed - the League of Nations formed after the WWII Vatican Inquisition otherwise known as the Holocaust). Rome has always been behind both sides of world wars and the assassinations of presidents, kings, and those who defied them.

Jesuit Pope Francis is fully aware of the military might of Russia and China and behind closed doors the deal has already been made - they are in agreement secretly - Rome always sides with the one they suspect will win while leaving a backdoor escape in case it should go the other way. The Vatican knows that soon America will fall but in order to distance themselves (and therein not be exposed as they were after creating WWII) they had NATO announce this decision publicly so that the connection cannot be made later after China invades Taiwan and Russia strikes the nuclear warehouses in America prompting a full on invasion and destruction of America.

This Jesuit Pope is a Communist! Of course he is with Russia and China! What Rome says, NATO does! NATO is in their hand! What you are reading (in the news media) is a well devised fairy tale created for the masses who have no idea what is going on. It is merely a strategy of deception - for which both Russia and the Jesuits are well known. When America is attacked by Russia, this Jesuit Pope will undoubtedly feign ignorance again and tell the world "he is praying." Always playing the role of the innocent bystander, we just witnessed him doing it again today after Nice, France Islamic terrorist attack. THINK. Who is behind the mass immigration of Muslims to Europe and America? The Vatican. Who is their mouth piece at the UN? Faithful Jesuit Catholic Son, Peter Sutherland, head of mass immigration at the United Nations. Peter Sutherland gets his orders directly from the Vatican. Are you seeing the picture yet? World spins into total chaos (chaos which Rome Vatican created ) and the Vatican brings order out of that chaos creating their NWO.

This woman's testimony in the videos below can tell you what you won't find in any newspaper and it reveals the truth about NATO, their satanic death squads, Rome's Jesuit infiltration into our military,pentagon, political parties, etc. She only mentions "Rome" but we know what she means by "Rome" of course. The Vatican. Perhaps the most powerful, wealthy crime organization on the planet is the Vatican and it has always had the ambition to rule the world and is accomplishing this through their Secret Societies (which are many) and Internationalism.
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Kay Griggs, wife of US Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs, unedited 8-hour interview (on 4 DVDs) with Pastor Rick Strawcutter.

Kay Griggs speaks freely about the unimagined corruption and extent of the oppressive systems of deception within the leadership nexus of military intelligence with secret society internationalism.

 

[killerdance]

Clinton and Obama along with the blessing of the NATO created ISIS. This has been one of the biggest blunders in modern history. Thousands have died around the world including the U S. Distraction is a tool that ever government uses when they screw up. The scary Russian Bear is just that, a distraction. Obama and Clinton have tried to down play ISIS from the beginning, Obama called it the JV League. When that Lie didn't work they change the focus to Russia away from ISIS. People will quickly forget they created the Frankenstein Monster know as ISIS. Distraction is SOP for the Clintons they been doing it for years.

 

[Stratford57]

Medvedev, Russian PM: Terrorism is civilization’s problem. It’s either us or them, and it’s time for everyone to realize this. There are no nuances or undertones, no justifications for terrorist actions, no dividing terrorists into ours or theirs, into moderate or extremist.

But do we need one more, third global tragedy to understand that what we need is cooperation rather than confrontation?

I’d like to quote from John F. Kennedy, who used very simple but the most appropriate words, “Domestic policy can only defeat us; foreign policy can kill us.”
Russia News Now

NATO scrapped project with Russia that ‘could have prevented Brussels attacks’ – Moscow’s envoy
Russia’s permanent representative to NATO Aleksandr Grushko has confirmed that a Russia-NATO joint anti-terror project may have been able to stop the attacks that hit Europe in recent months if the program hadn’t been scrapped by the alliance.

“This was a multinational project. It was aimed at preventing terrorist attacks in public places. Full-scale tests that had been carried out in one of the NATO member states showed that if the project had been completed…it would have let us prevent such situations as occurred at Brussels’ airport and metro to a significant extent,” said the diplomat, confirming media reports.
NATO scrapped project with Russia that ‘could have prevented Brussels attacks’ – Moscow’s envoy

 

[StLucieBengal]

Russia should be our allies in this mess. We could put the Middle East out of business by just buying oil from Russia instead of the Muslims.

We should be isolating Islam until they get their act together. Russians would be much better friends than the Muslims at this point.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

Not really. We know that military expenditure is an important part of some governments' policy. The US spends more than the next nine countries together, so much money in fact it's ridiculous. The need to have the enemy to provide the reason for this is clear.

After the Cold War (which supposedly Reagan won) the right were lost. Military spending was going down, and they didn't like it. So they decided they needed a war, and got TWO.

But now ISIS is coming about, the result of the war they wanted, Iraq, and they're not sure they like the outcome. Quite frankly in 20 years time China will give them all they want, and a new Cold War will ensue. However right now they need something. Why not Russia? Russia is up for it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Russia should be our allies in this mess. We could put the Middle East out of business by just buying oil from Russia instead of the Muslims.

We should be isolating Islam until they get their act together. Russians would be much better friends than the Muslims at this point.

Putin is a nationalist. He NEEDS an enemy to gain popularity. He uses the old enemy. Doesn't matter what you think should happen, it's not in Putin's plan.

 

[yiostheoy]

Bryan MacDonald is an Irish journalist:
According to statements made at last weekend’s summit in Warsaw, NATO regards Russia as a bigger threat than ISIS.

The main reason is because there is very little profit in combating the, self-styled, ISIS. And NATO is primarily a money racket which provides a lot of influential people with a very comfortable lifestyle, flying around the globe on private jets and generating well-paid jobs, both directly and via the think-tank circuit.

Let’s be clear here. You don’t require submarines or nuclear weapons to engage ISIL, but you would in a putative conflict with Russia. It desires to use Moscow as a convenient bogeyman in order to maintain US defense spending, which grew 9 percent annually from 2000-2009 during the “war on terror.”
Why has NATO chosen Russia as its enemy instead of ISIS?

December 3, 2015
Putin: Russia has long been at the forefront of the fight against terrorism. This is a fight for freedom, truth and justice, for the lives of people and the future of the entire civilization.

International terrorism will never be defeated by just one country, especially in a situation when the borders are practically open, and the world is going through another resettlement of peoples, while terrorists are getting regular financial support.
Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly

Sep 4, 2015
Putin: together, and I would like to stress this word, together we need to combat terrorism and extremism of all sorts, primarily in the problem countries, to resolve this issue – without that any further progress is impossible.
Vladimir Putin answered Russian journalists’ questions

July 15. 2016
Putin: Russia knows terrorism and the threat it creates for us all. Our people have had to deal with similar tragedies many times. I would like to stress again that only through a united effort can we defeat terrorism.
Address to Francois Hollande and the French nation

Hey, the EU elites, would you ever listen to those who can and are willing to help? Or you prefer to wait till ISIS uses chemical weapons in the middle of Europe?

Who are you, the EU elites, and whose interests do you represent: the European people’s or ISIS”?

P.S. I guess, after that horrible Nice terror attack the British people are realizing: it was a good decision to vote for Brexit.

Wars are fought over trade and markets.

Not over slimy greasy camel jockeys on two separate teams killing each other off.

We should be betting on or against ISIS in Vegas not interfering with their Sunni war against the Shia.

Netanyahu even agrees with me.

 

[yiostheoy]

Russia should be our allies in this mess. We could put the Middle East out of business by just buying oil from Russia instead of the Muslims.

We should be isolating Islam until they get their act together. Russians would be much better friends than the Muslims at this point.

Putin is a nationalist. He NEEDS an enemy to gain popularity. He uses the old enemy. Doesn't matter what you think should happen, it's not in Putin's plan.

It would help if the CIA would stay the fokk out of Ukraine rather than provoking Putin.

 

[yiostheoy]

The real story on NATO is a complicated one, Stratford. It is perhaps as incredible and unbelievable as it is horrifying. Isis enjoys the protection of the Vatican until it accomplishes its mission for them in forcing the world into a New World Order which they fully intend to rule. NATO is merely an arm of the Vatican, as is the EU and the UN (which was founded not once but twice by the Jesuits - first one - which failed - the League of Nations formed after the WWII Vatican Inquisition otherwise known as the Holocaust). Rome has always been behind both sides of world wars and the assassinations of presidents, kings, and those who defied them.

Jesuit Pope Francis is fully aware of the military might of Russia and China and behind closed doors the deal has already been made - they are in agreement secretly - Rome always sides with the one they suspect will win while leaving a backdoor escape in case it should go the other way. The Vatican knows that soon America will fall but in order to distance themselves (and therein not be exposed as they were after creating WWII) they had NATO announce this decision publicly so that the connection cannot be made later after China invades Taiwan and Russia strikes the nuclear warehouses in America prompting a full on invasion and destruction of America.

This Jesuit Pope is a Communist! Of course he is with Russia and China! What Rome says, NATO does! NATO is in their hand! What you are reading (in the news media) is a well devised fairy tale created for the masses who have no idea what is going on. It is merely a strategy of deception - for which both Russia and the Jesuits are well known. When America is attacked by Russia, this Jesuit Pope will undoubtedly feign ignorance again and tell the world "he is praying." Always playing the role of the innocent bystander, we just witnessed him doing it again today after Nice, France Islamic terrorist attack. THINK. Who is behind the mass immigration of Muslims to Europe and America? The Vatican. Who is their mouth piece at the UN? Faithful Jesuit Catholic Son, Peter Sutherland, head of mass immigration at the United Nations. Peter Sutherland gets his orders directly from the Vatican. Are you seeing the picture yet? World spins into total chaos (chaos which Rome Vatican created ) and the Vatican brings order out of that chaos creating their NWO.

This woman's testimony in the videos below can tell you what you won't find in any newspaper and it reveals the truth about NATO, their satanic death squads, Rome's Jesuit infiltration into our military,pentagon, political parties, etc. She only mentions "Rome" but we know what she means by "Rome" of course. The Vatican. Perhaps the most powerful, wealthy crime organization on the planet is the Vatican and it has always had the ambition to rule the world and is accomplishing this through their Secret Societies (which are many) and Internationalism.
_______

Kay Griggs, wife of US Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs, unedited 8-hour interview (on 4 DVDs) with Pastor Rick Strawcutter.

Kay Griggs speaks freely about the unimagined corruption and extent of the oppressive systems of deception within the leadership nexus of military intelligence with secret society internationalism.

Jeeze ... yet another anti Catholic rant from a fanatical born again Protestant.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Russia should be our allies in this mess. We could put the Middle East out of business by just buying oil from Russia instead of the Muslims.

We should be isolating Islam until they get their act together. Russians would be much better friends than the Muslims at this point.

Putin is a nationalist. He NEEDS an enemy to gain popularity. He uses the old enemy. Doesn't matter what you think should happen, it's not in Putin's plan.

It would help if the CIA would stay the fokk out of Ukraine rather than provoking Putin.

Well, it's a hard one to know how much impact the CIA and others would have had there, but handing opportunities on a plate to Putin isn't a great idea.

 

[Kristian]

A Europeans NATO I will.

 

[Kristian]

The real story on NATO is a complicated one, Stratford. It is perhaps as incredible and unbelievable as it is horrifying. Isis enjoys the protection of the Vatican until it accomplishes its mission for them in forcing the world into a New World Order which they fully intend to rule. NATO is merely an arm of the Vatican, as is the EU and the UN (which was founded not once but twice by the Jesuits - first one - which failed - the League of Nations formed after the WWII Vatican Inquisition otherwise known as the Holocaust). Rome has always been behind both sides of world wars and the assassinations of presidents, kings, and those who defied them.

Jesuit Pope Francis is fully aware of the military might of Russia and China and behind closed doors the deal has already been made - they are in agreement secretly - Rome always sides with the one they suspect will win while leaving a backdoor escape in case it should go the other way. The Vatican knows that soon America will fall but in order to distance themselves (and therein not be exposed as they were after creating WWII) they had NATO announce this decision publicly so that the connection cannot be made later after China invades Taiwan and Russia strikes the nuclear warehouses in America prompting a full on invasion and destruction of America.

This Jesuit Pope is a Communist! Of course he is with Russia and China! What Rome says, NATO does! NATO is in their hand! What you are reading (in the news media) is a well devised fairy tale created for the masses who have no idea what is going on. It is merely a strategy of deception - for which both Russia and the Jesuits are well known. When America is attacked by Russia, this Jesuit Pope will undoubtedly feign ignorance again and tell the world "he is praying." Always playing the role of the innocent bystander, we just witnessed him doing it again today after Nice, France Islamic terrorist attack. THINK. Who is behind the mass immigration of Muslims to Europe and America? The Vatican. Who is their mouth piece at the UN? Faithful Jesuit Catholic Son, Peter Sutherland, head of mass immigration at the United Nations. Peter Sutherland gets his orders directly from the Vatican. Are you seeing the picture yet? World spins into total chaos (chaos which Rome Vatican created ) and the Vatican brings order out of that chaos creating their NWO.

This woman's testimony in the videos below can tell you what you won't find in any newspaper and it reveals the truth about NATO, their satanic death squads, Rome's Jesuit infiltration into our military,pentagon, political parties, etc. She only mentions "Rome" but we know what she means by "Rome" of course. The Vatican. Perhaps the most powerful, wealthy crime organization on the planet is the Vatican and it has always had the ambition to rule the world and is accomplishing this through their Secret Societies (which are many) and Internationalism.
_______

Kay Griggs, wife of US Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs, unedited 8-hour interview (on 4 DVDs) with Pastor Rick Strawcutter.

Kay Griggs speaks freely about the unimagined corruption and extent of the oppressive systems of deception within the leadership nexus of military intelligence with secret society internationalism.

Jeeze ... yet another anti Catholic rant from a fanatical born again Protestant.

Theres is also Anti Protestants from Roman catholic religion in Christianity.

 

[Ringel05]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

Not really. We know that military expenditure is an important part of some governments' policy. The US spends more than the next nine countries together, so much money in fact it's ridiculous. The need to have the enemy to provide the reason for this is clear.

After the Cold War (which supposedly Reagan won) the right were lost. Military spending was going down, and they didn't like it. So they decided they needed a war, and got TWO.

But now ISIS is coming about, the result of the war they wanted, Iraq, and they're not sure they like the outcome. Quite frankly in 20 years time China will give them all they want, and a new Cold War will ensue. However right now they need something. Why not Russia? Russia is up for it.

You "logic" is based in fantasy so yes it belongs in conspiracy theories.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

Not really. We know that military expenditure is an important part of some governments' policy. The US spends more than the next nine countries together, so much money in fact it's ridiculous. The need to have the enemy to provide the reason for this is clear.

After the Cold War (which supposedly Reagan won) the right were lost. Military spending was going down, and they didn't like it. So they decided they needed a war, and got TWO.

But now ISIS is coming about, the result of the war they wanted, Iraq, and they're not sure they like the outcome. Quite frankly in 20 years time China will give them all they want, and a new Cold War will ensue. However right now they need something. Why not Russia? Russia is up for it.

You "logic" is based in fantasy so yes it belongs in conspiracy theories.

Ah, the term "conspiracy theory" which is used to try and end someone's argument without even trying......

Do the Republicans not try and keep war going?

Also, do explain how my logic is based on fantasy.... I mean, like, not just a sentence telling me this is what you think, I know you think this, but actually, you know, make an argument.

 

[Ringel05]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

Not really. We know that military expenditure is an important part of some governments' policy. The US spends more than the next nine countries together, so much money in fact it's ridiculous. The need to have the enemy to provide the reason for this is clear.

After the Cold War (which supposedly Reagan won) the right were lost. Military spending was going down, and they didn't like it. So they decided they needed a war, and got TWO.

But now ISIS is coming about, the result of the war they wanted, Iraq, and they're not sure they like the outcome. Quite frankly in 20 years time China will give them all they want, and a new Cold War will ensue. However right now they need something. Why not Russia? Russia is up for it.

You "logic" is based in fantasy so yes it belongs in conspiracy theories.

Ah, the term "conspiracy theory" which is used to try and end someone's argument without even trying......

Do the Republicans not try and keep war going?

Number one the cold war never ended just one of the major players (Russia) temporarily dropped out.
Unfortunately our leaders played to politics and starting with Bush senior began downsizing the military and intelligence capabilities. Clinton accelerated that downsizing and also gutted our intelligence agencies partly the reason for 9-11.
Afghanistan was UN sanctioned as it was widely known to harbor terrorists and terrorist camps.
Bush II had some really bad intel from our foreign allies and some really bad advice from some clueless advisors and possibly some inner felt pressure to "finish the job" in Iraq.
China does not support ISIS and never will, nor does Russia, both see ISIS as a threat to themselves individually.
Like I said before, the cold war never ended and now as it's heating up even more we have not completely regained our intelligence capabilities and still to some degree rely on our allied to fill certain gaps, gaps that shouldn't exist.
Oh and why do we spend so much on the military? If you dropped your bias and took an honest look you get your answer.........
So you see you "logic" is faulty

 

[frigidweirdo]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

Not really. We know that military expenditure is an important part of some governments' policy. The US spends more than the next nine countries together, so much money in fact it's ridiculous. The need to have the enemy to provide the reason for this is clear.

After the Cold War (which supposedly Reagan won) the right were lost. Military spending was going down, and they didn't like it. So they decided they needed a war, and got TWO.

But now ISIS is coming about, the result of the war they wanted, Iraq, and they're not sure they like the outcome. Quite frankly in 20 years time China will give them all they want, and a new Cold War will ensue. However right now they need something. Why not Russia? Russia is up for it.

You "logic" is based in fantasy so yes it belongs in conspiracy theories.

Ah, the term "conspiracy theory" which is used to try and end someone's argument without even trying......

Do the Republicans not try and keep war going?

Number one the cold war never ended just one of the major players (Russia) temporarily dropped out.
Unfortunately our leaders played to politics and starting with Bush senior began downsizing the military and intelligence capabilities. Clinton accelerated that downsizing and also gutted our intelligence agencies partly the reason for 9-11.
Afghanistan was UN sanctioned as it was widely known to harbor terrorists and terrorist camps.
Bush II had some really bad intel from our foreign allies and some really bad advice from some clueless advisors and possibly some inner felt pressure to "finish the job" in Iraq.
China does not support ISIS and never will, nor does Russia, both see ISIS as a threat to themselves individually.
Like I said before, the cold war never ended and now as it's heating up even more we have not completely regained our intelligence capabilities and still to some degree rely on our allied to fill certain gaps, gaps that shouldn't exist.
Oh and why do we spend so much on the military? If you dropped your bias and took an honest look you get your answer.........
So you see you "logic" is faulty

So you're claiming the Cold War didn't end? I'd disagree. From 1991 onwards the world was looking like it was going to change for a positive. It didn't take long for Bush to change that though, did it?

Your argument could be like saying that WW2 never ended, just some of the participants dropped out, like Germany and Japan. The USSR didn't just drop out, it disintegrated and ended up with Russia suffering massively. While Russia has come back under Putin to a certain degree, it's not the same as it was, and China is rising, which is also different, and the EU emerging as a powerful force too. It's all changed, there might be similarities, but they're not part of the Cold War. A new Cold War will probably happen.

Being "UN sanctioned" doesn't mean anything. Everyone knows the UN is just a tool for the main political entities to play with to try and justify themselves and attack others.


As for Bush having bad intel, that's an understatement. He demanded bad intel. That's different to being given it. Bush used the intel KNOWING it was bad.
He had two branches of intelligence telling him two different things and he happened to choose the one that he knew was being very liberal with the truth.

No, China and Russia don't support ISIS, and....? ISIS is part of something new, that shouldn't have existed, it came out of a power vacuum the US made. It'll probably go away, and then they can get on with their new cold war (not the old Cold War).

So, no, I don't see that my logic is faulty at all. I see you have a different opinion, and I see some of the things you seem to think are a little out from the truth.

 

[Ringel05]

This belongs in Conspiracy Theories.........

Not really. We know that military expenditure is an important part of some governments' policy. The US spends more than the next nine countries together, so much money in fact it's ridiculous. The need to have the enemy to provide the reason for this is clear.

After the Cold War (which supposedly Reagan won) the right were lost. Military spending was going down, and they didn't like it. So they decided they needed a war, and got TWO.

But now ISIS is coming about, the result of the war they wanted, Iraq, and they're not sure they like the outcome. Quite frankly in 20 years time China will give them all they want, and a new Cold War will ensue. However right now they need something. Why not Russia? Russia is up for it.

You "logic" is based in fantasy so yes it belongs in conspiracy theories.

Ah, the term "conspiracy theory" which is used to try and end someone's argument without even trying......

Do the Republicans not try and keep war going?

Number one the cold war never ended just one of the major players (Russia) temporarily dropped out.
Unfortunately our leaders played to politics and starting with Bush senior began downsizing the military and intelligence capabilities. Clinton accelerated that downsizing and also gutted our intelligence agencies partly the reason for 9-11.
Afghanistan was UN sanctioned as it was widely known to harbor terrorists and terrorist camps.
Bush II had some really bad intel from our foreign allies and some really bad advice from some clueless advisors and possibly some inner felt pressure to "finish the job" in Iraq.
China does not support ISIS and never will, nor does Russia, both see ISIS as a threat to themselves individually.
Like I said before, the cold war never ended and now as it's heating up even more we have not completely regained our intelligence capabilities and still to some degree rely on our allied to fill certain gaps, gaps that shouldn't exist.
Oh and why do we spend so much on the military? If you dropped your bias and took an honest look you get your answer.........
So you see you "logic" is faulty

So you're claiming the Cold War didn't end? I'd disagree. From 1991 onwards the world was looking like it was going to change for a positive. It didn't take long for Bush to change that though, did it?

Your argument could be like saying that WW2 never ended, just some of the participants dropped out, like Germany and Japan. The USSR didn't just drop out, it disintegrated and ended up with Russia suffering massively. While Russia has come back under Putin to a certain degree, it's not the same as it was, and China is rising, which is also different, and the EU emerging as a powerful force too. It's all changed, there might be similarities, but they're not part of the Cold War. A new Cold War will probably happen.

Being "UN sanctioned" doesn't mean anything. Everyone knows the UN is just a tool for the main political entities to play with to try and justify themselves and attack others.


As for Bush having bad intel, that's an understatement. He demanded bad intel. That's different to being given it. Bush used the intel KNOWING it was bad.
He had two branches of intelligence telling him two different things and he happened to choose the one that he knew was being very liberal with the truth.

No, China and Russia don't support ISIS, and....? ISIS is part of something new, that shouldn't have existed, it came out of a power vacuum the US made. It'll probably go away, and then they can get on with their new cold war (not the old Cold War).

So, no, I don't see that my logic is faulty at all. I see you have a different opinion, and I see some of the things you seem to think are a little out from the truth.

As per the Cold War you seem to be under the false impression that the Soviet Union was our only adversary, they weren't but they, at the time, were the biggest.
And while our misguided invasion of Iraq (no bush II didn't listen to a lot of us) planted the seeds of ISIS it was the misnamed Arab Spring that watered, fertilized and ultimately resulted in it's flowering.
One thing that many Americans can't or won't see is world politics is Machiavellian at best, always has been and there is an ongoing (seemingly eternal) struggle to determine who controls/protects worldwide commerce, mainly oil which is the life blood of the world. Who would you rather, us? The Chinese? Russia?