Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

[Derideo_Te]

This makes perfect sense.

If USMB is a microcosm of the nation at large, the clearly the conservatives are far better educated than the leftists.

Nope, not even close! USMB political forums are largely comprised of "likely voters" from all parts of the political spectrum.

Given the apathy of registered voters USMB political forums are atypical of the nation at large. What is scary is that this is a reflection of the "better educated" of the conservatives.

It would be scary, if you believed what progressives say about conservatives.

We've talked via PM. Would you think me uneducated or stupid?

Quite the opposite. You are as astute as anyone on the left and I have never had any reason to believe you to be uneducated.

My comment was largely tongue in cheek and directed primarily at Uncensored. He isn't stupid or uneducated either but he does make some really stupid allegations about those on the left. That kind of baiting doesn't add anything of value to the debate in my opinion. Quite the opposite since it is merely intended to flame rather than enlighten.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The FF WANTED a big Federal Government?

Wow. You can make yourself believe anything, no matter how stupid, can't you?

Perhaps you've never noticed that the Constitituion places LIMITS on the power of the Federal government. NOT on the people, and NOT on the states.

Actually the Constitution does place limits on the states and the people. The states cannot deprive the people of rights enumerated in the Constitution and the people cannot violate the constitutional rights of others.

True. But most of the limitations are on the fedgov.

Why would the FF place limits on the fedgov if they wanted a huge powerful central government?

Dad2three can't answer that question. Maybe you could give it a shot.

The purpose envisioned by the FF was appropriate for the times. But they clearly understood that things would change in the future in a way that they could not foresee.

At the time of signing the Constitution the total population was 4 million. Today the military has 2.3 million (including reserves). Overall the government of today (federal, state and local) employs about 22 million people out of a population of 315 million. This averages to 7.3% of the population over the last 5 presidents. For the record under Obama it is only 6.9%.

The Growth Of Government: 1980 To 2012 - Forbes

Big government" is actually not that big in real terms when you consider that the FF never envisioned a standing army capable of striking anywhere in the world at a moment's notice. They never foresaw a network of space satellites making it possible to know exactly where you are to within a couple of yards. They never anticipated a global internet that allows you and I to have this debate even though we have never met in person.

But if we look closer at the things that the FF's actually did we discover that they passed a law to register all guns. They implemented mandatory health insurance for sailors (including a payroll tax) with government run hospitals. They built libraries and encouraged education.

So to answer your question the FF's did sow the seeds for the government we have today and in real terms it isn't all that big. If you want to reduce it then you have to come up with a realistic alternative to the military, police, customs, parks, roads, etc, etc that we have today.

Can you do that?

 

[Dad2three]

Stopping the libturd agenda benefits all Americans.




Opposing hucksterism and abracadabra is not "anti-intellectualism."

Most "scientists" are liberal because most are sucking on the government tit.

Sure, and conservatives have such a good record of being on the correct side of history in the US with the major policies since our Founding right? lol. Care to point to the last one the conservatives were on the correct side of history on?

The meaning of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have changed dramatically over the last two centuries, so your question is a non sequitur.

"The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science--and Reality"

He has written quite a few articles on the web about his research.

Why Republicans Deny Science: The Quest for a Scientific Explanation
Chris Mooney: Why Republicans Deny Science: The Quest for a Scientific Explanation

Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution
Chris Mooney: Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution

The Science of Truthiness: Why Conservatives Deny Global Warming
Chris Mooney: The Science of Truthiness: Why Conservatives Deny Global Warming

You're obviously a colossal sucker for psuedo-science. The above abracadabra is not science. It's hucksterism.

No one is surprised that you fell for it, however.

Sure it has. The US Founders were BY FARRRR the most educated AND radical of their times. Know who stood with King George in 1776? The conservatives, Torrie's

 

[Dad2three]

Its easier than thinking, that's why.

Like I said...you really believe it. Because it was posted on Democratic Underground, so you immediately and unquestioningly accepted it. And because you wanted to believe it's true, it really IS true.

Magical thinking is a hallmark of progressives. That's how they can see the many historic failures of progressivism and claim it can work.

Mind reader AND a person who sets up false premises and argues from there, I hit the jackpot


Next we just need the distortions and lies, and you use up ALL the rights wings ammo, as they have nothing else but failed policy to fall back on

failed policy:

record welfare and food stamps in the eighth-straight year of Democrat-majority rule

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Weird? Care to point to Dems laws passed 2007-2009 that caused Dubya/GOP great recession? PLEASE?


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse

 

[Dad2three]

The FF WANTED a big Federal Government?

Wow. You can make yourself believe anything, no matter how stupid, can't you?

Perhaps you've never noticed that the Constitituion places LIMITS on the power of the Federal government. NOT on the people, and NOT on the states.

Weird, perhaps you didn't notice the F/F chose a STRONG federal Gov't over the weaker Articles of Confederation?

And James Madison favored a STRONGER stronger federal Gov't and role while the Anti Federalists wanted stronger states rights, which side won? lol

The Federalists wanted a slightly stronger federal government, not a "strong" federal government. They would be appalled at the leviathan the federal government has become.

The fact that the Federalists won only shows that even smart men can make dumb mistakes.

Oh MORE opinion


The Right’s Dubious Claim to Madison


James Madison, a chief architect of the U.S. Constitution when he was essentially a protégé of George Washington in the 1780s. But Madison was also a practical politician who drifted – in the 1790s and later – into the orbit of his central Virginia neighbor, Thomas Jefferson, who led bitter fights against Washington’s Federalists and especially Alexander Hamilton.


....Madison was of a similar mind. In 1781, as a member of the Congress under the Articles of Confederation, he introduced a radical amendment that “would have required states that ignored their federal responsibilities or refused to be bound by decisions of Congress to be compelled to do so by use of the army or navy or by the seizure of exported goods,” noted Chris DeRose in Founding Rivals. However, Madison’s plan – opposed by the powerful states – went nowhere.


...Madison told Washington that the states had to be made “subordinately useful,” a sentiment that Washington shared after seeing how states had failed to meet their financial obligations to his troops during the Revolution.


The Right?s Dubious Claim to Madison | Consortiumnews


One of the more novel provisions of the Virginia Plan, formulated by James Madison, who discussed the proposal in a number of letters prior to the Convention (Hobson 1979, 219), was a provision for a congressional negative on state laws. Section 6 of the Virginia Plan accordingly provided that Congress would have the power "to negative all laws passed by the several States, contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of Union" (Farrand 1937, I, 21). This was in addition to the negative that the proposed Council of Revision, consisting of the president and key members of the judiciary, would exercise over both congressional and state legislation, subject to congressional override


ABC-CLIO SCHOOLS

 

[Dad2three]

Actually the Constitution does place limits on the states and the people. The states cannot deprive the people of rights enumerated in the Constitution and the people cannot violate the constitutional rights of others.

And you can tell this by the repeated use of the phrase "Congress shall make no.."

Article I of the Constitution sets forth most of the powers of Congress, which include numerous explicit powers enumerated in Section 8. Constitutional amendments have granted Congress additional powers. Congress also has implied powers derived from the Necessary and Proper Clause of the Constitution.

 

[Dad2three]

The tea party wants to cut science by 10%. Hell, they want to end all grants and privatize the entire nws.

These people need to be defeated.

The problem is, idiots like you consider flushing a half a billion dollars down the Solyndra toilet to be a good investment in science.

Government can't choose between ideas and MAKE some of them work. That's best left to private enterprise.

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders

American School of Economics


American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program

Despite what critics say, the DoE’s guaranteed loan program is a successful program. The default rate for the loan portfolio is less than 4%. By comparison, the loan default rate for the Small Business Administration is nearly 12%, three times as high as the DoE’s loan program.

Secretary Chu also clarified that the actual cost to the taxpayer of DoE's loan program will be roughly $2.5 billion, which is the actual amount appropriated to the program, and not the $38.6 billion that is often cited. Considering the program has created over 60,000 jobs, it cost taxpayers roughly $42,000 per job created


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
Obama?s Solar Bets May Avoid Solyndra?s Fate With Low Costs - Bloomberg

 

[daveman]

Actually the Constitution does place limits on the states and the people. The states cannot deprive the people of rights enumerated in the Constitution and the people cannot violate the constitutional rights of others.

True. But most of the limitations are on the fedgov.

Why would the FF place limits on the fedgov if they wanted a huge powerful central government?

Dad2three can't answer that question. Maybe you could give it a shot.

The purpose envisioned by the FF was appropriate for the times. But they clearly understood that things would change in the future in a way that they could not foresee.

At the time of signing the Constitution the total population was 4 million. Today the military has 2.3 million (including reserves). Overall the government of today (federal, state and local) employs about 22 million people out of a population of 315 million. This averages to 7.3% of the population over the last 5 presidents. For the record under Obama it is only 6.9%.

The Growth Of Government: 1980 To 2012 - Forbes

Big government" is actually not that big in real terms when you consider that the FF never envisioned a standing army capable of striking anywhere in the world at a moment's notice. They never foresaw a network of space satellites making it possible to know exactly where you are to within a couple of yards. They never anticipated a global internet that allows you and I to have this debate even though we have never met in person.

But if we look closer at the things that the FF's actually did we discover that they passed a law to register all guns. They implemented mandatory health insurance for sailors (including a payroll tax) with government run hospitals. They built libraries and encouraged education.

So to answer your question the FF's did sow the seeds for the government we have today and in real terms it isn't all that big. If you want to reduce it then you have to come up with a realistic alternative to the military, police, customs, parks, roads, etc, etc that we have today.

Can you do that?

All Constitutionally-mandated government functions could stand to be trimmed -- some more than others.

All the non-Constitutionally-mandated government functions could stand to be eliminated.

 

[daveman]

Sure, and conservatives have such a good record of being on the correct side of history in the US with the major policies since our Founding right? lol. Care to point to the last one the conservatives were on the correct side of history on?

The meaning of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have changed dramatically over the last two centuries, so your question is a non sequitur.

"The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science--and Reality"

He has written quite a few articles on the web about his research.

Why Republicans Deny Science: The Quest for a Scientific Explanation
Chris Mooney: Why Republicans Deny Science: The Quest for a Scientific Explanation

Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution
Chris Mooney: Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution

The Science of Truthiness: Why Conservatives Deny Global Warming
Chris Mooney: The Science of Truthiness: Why Conservatives Deny Global Warming

You're obviously a colossal sucker for psuedo-science. The above abracadabra is not science. It's hucksterism.

No one is surprised that you fell for it, however.

Sure it has. The US Founders were BY FARRRR the most educated AND radical of their times. Know who stood with King George in 1776? The conservatives, Torrie's

Tell me something bad liberals have done.

 

[daveman]

Weird? Care to point to Dems laws passed 2007-2009 that caused Dubya/GOP great recession? PLEASE?


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse

That's true...well, it would be, if it wasn't completely false.

 

[daveman]

The tea party wants to cut science by 10%. Hell, they want to end all grants and privatize the entire nws.

These people need to be defeated.

The problem is, idiots like you consider flushing a half a billion dollars down the Solyndra toilet to be a good investment in science.

Government can't choose between ideas and MAKE some of them work. That's best left to private enterprise.

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders

American School of Economics


American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program

Despite what critics say, the DoE’s guaranteed loan program is a successful program. The default rate for the loan portfolio is less than 4%. By comparison, the loan default rate for the Small Business Administration is nearly 12%, three times as high as the DoE’s loan program.

Secretary Chu also clarified that the actual cost to the taxpayer of DoE's loan program will be roughly $2.5 billion, which is the actual amount appropriated to the program, and not the $38.6 billion that is often cited. Considering the program has created over 60,000 jobs, it cost taxpayers roughly $42,000 per job created


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
Obama?s Solar Bets May Avoid Solyndra?s Fate With Low Costs - Bloomberg

Up to 50 Obama-backed energy companies financially troubled | The Daily Caller

Obama picked companies not for their potential success, but by how much the owners contributed to his campaign.

Democrats believe the Treasury's purpose is to let them give money to cronies.

 

[theliq]

Obama and the Democrats have been in power for six years now. The wealthy have got wealthier, the percentage of people who qualify as poor has grown to the highest level in 40 years, energy costs have been the highest in over a decade for six continuous years, more people need public assistance than ever before and you think the Repubs are to blame?

Oh, the width and depth of the hole the Bush/GOP recession put US into doesn't matter, just that we aren't completely back on track where Clinton had US before the GOP took over?

BTW, Less than 6 years, Obama came into office Jan 20th 2009 AS THE ECONOMY HAD TUMBLED 9%+ THE PREVIOUS QUARTER AND LOSING 700,0000+ JOBS A MONTH


In 8 years Bush lost 673,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs, took US from Clinton surpluses to crushing debt, AS the GOP has worked against EVERYTHING that might help US? I know, more UNFUNDED tax cuts while we go to war? Perhaps give US UNFUNDED Medicare expansion (Part D) that costs as much this decade as Obamacares does (CBO), which is 100%+ funded?


BTW, 5+ million private sector jobs under Obama, gas prices are where they were in July 2008, SLOWLY digging out of the Bush hole, WHILE the GOP refuses to get out and push


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That's a very elementary analysis from a very elementary mind.

Not at all......your elementary analysis of economics has a lot to be desired

 

[theliq]

The problem is, idiots like you consider flushing a half a billion dollars down the Solyndra toilet to be a good investment in science.

Government can't choose between ideas and MAKE some of them work. That's best left to private enterprise.

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders

American School of Economics


American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program

Despite what critics say, the DoE’s guaranteed loan program is a successful program. The default rate for the loan portfolio is less than 4%. By comparison, the loan default rate for the Small Business Administration is nearly 12%, three times as high as the DoE’s loan program.

Secretary Chu also clarified that the actual cost to the taxpayer of DoE's loan program will be roughly $2.5 billion, which is the actual amount appropriated to the program, and not the $38.6 billion that is often cited. Considering the program has created over 60,000 jobs, it cost taxpayers roughly $42,000 per job created


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
Obama?s Solar Bets May Avoid Solyndra?s Fate With Low Costs - Bloomberg

Up to 50 Obama-backed energy companies financially troubled | The Daily Caller

Obama picked companies not for their potential success, but by how much the owners contributed to his campaign.

Democrats believe the Treasury's purpose is to let them give money to cronies.

Boring Republican Currs comment..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzBORING

 

[daveman]

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders

American School of Economics


American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program

Despite what critics say, the DoE’s guaranteed loan program is a successful program. The default rate for the loan portfolio is less than 4%. By comparison, the loan default rate for the Small Business Administration is nearly 12%, three times as high as the DoE’s loan program.

Secretary Chu also clarified that the actual cost to the taxpayer of DoE's loan program will be roughly $2.5 billion, which is the actual amount appropriated to the program, and not the $38.6 billion that is often cited. Considering the program has created over 60,000 jobs, it cost taxpayers roughly $42,000 per job created


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
Obama?s Solar Bets May Avoid Solyndra?s Fate With Low Costs - Bloomberg

Up to 50 Obama-backed energy companies financially troubled | The Daily Caller

Obama picked companies not for their potential success, but by how much the owners contributed to his campaign.

Democrats believe the Treasury's purpose is to let them give money to cronies.

Boring Republican Currs comment..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzBORING

That's nice. Run along now.

 

[Derideo_Te]

True. But most of the limitations are on the fedgov.

Why would the FF place limits on the fedgov if they wanted a huge powerful central government?

Dad2three can't answer that question. Maybe you could give it a shot.

The purpose envisioned by the FF was appropriate for the times. But they clearly understood that things would change in the future in a way that they could not foresee.

At the time of signing the Constitution the total population was 4 million. Today the military has 2.3 million (including reserves). Overall the government of today (federal, state and local) employs about 22 million people out of a population of 315 million. This averages to 7.3% of the population over the last 5 presidents. For the record under Obama it is only 6.9%.

The Growth Of Government: 1980 To 2012 - Forbes

Big government" is actually not that big in real terms when you consider that the FF never envisioned a standing army capable of striking anywhere in the world at a moment's notice. They never foresaw a network of space satellites making it possible to know exactly where you are to within a couple of yards. They never anticipated a global internet that allows you and I to have this debate even though we have never met in person.

But if we look closer at the things that the FF's actually did we discover that they passed a law to register all guns. They implemented mandatory health insurance for sailors (including a payroll tax) with government run hospitals. They built libraries and encouraged education.

So to answer your question the FF's did sow the seeds for the government we have today and in real terms it isn't all that big. If you want to reduce it then you have to come up with a realistic alternative to the military, police, customs, parks, roads, etc, etc that we have today.

Can you do that?

All Constitutionally-mandated government functions could stand to be trimmed -- some more than others.

All the non-Constitutionally-mandated government functions could stand to be eliminated.

So are you willing to trim the military by 50%?

Let's turn to these "non-Constitutionally-mandated government functions" that you want to eliminate.

Are you willing to eliminate social security, medicare and medicaid since they none of those are "Constitutionally-mandated government functions"?

 

[Dad2three]

True. But most of the limitations are on the fedgov.

Why would the FF place limits on the fedgov if they wanted a huge powerful central government?

Dad2three can't answer that question. Maybe you could give it a shot.

The purpose envisioned by the FF was appropriate for the times. But they clearly understood that things would change in the future in a way that they could not foresee.

At the time of signing the Constitution the total population was 4 million. Today the military has 2.3 million (including reserves). Overall the government of today (federal, state and local) employs about 22 million people out of a population of 315 million. This averages to 7.3% of the population over the last 5 presidents. For the record under Obama it is only 6.9%.

The Growth Of Government: 1980 To 2012 - Forbes

Big government" is actually not that big in real terms when you consider that the FF never envisioned a standing army capable of striking anywhere in the world at a moment's notice. They never foresaw a network of space satellites making it possible to know exactly where you are to within a couple of yards. They never anticipated a global internet that allows you and I to have this debate even though we have never met in person.

But if we look closer at the things that the FF's actually did we discover that they passed a law to register all guns. They implemented mandatory health insurance for sailors (including a payroll tax) with government run hospitals. They built libraries and encouraged education.

So to answer your question the FF's did sow the seeds for the government we have today and in real terms it isn't all that big. If you want to reduce it then you have to come up with a realistic alternative to the military, police, customs, parks, roads, etc, etc that we have today.

Can you do that?

All Constitutionally-mandated government functions could stand to be trimmed -- some more than others.

All the non-Constitutionally-mandated government functions could stand to be eliminated.

Weird, You'd think conservatives would have SCOTUS throw out those 'non constitutional' programs?

 

[Dad2three]

The meaning of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have changed dramatically over the last two centuries, so your question is a non sequitur.




You're obviously a colossal sucker for psuedo-science. The above abracadabra is not science. It's hucksterism.

No one is surprised that you fell for it, however.

Sure it has. The US Founders were BY FARRRR the most educated AND radical of their times. Know who stood with King George in 1776? The conservatives, Torrie's

Tell me something bad liberals have done.

You PLEASE tell me what policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history since the US Founding? Just one, PLEASE?

 

[Dad2three]

Weird? Care to point to Dems laws passed 2007-2009 that caused Dubya/GOP great recession? PLEASE?


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse

That's true...well, it would be, if it wasn't completely false.

BARNEY FRANK? Minority member of the GOP House 1995-2007? What super powers did he have again?


WHAT were the Dems saying (CONTEXT) and WHEN?

The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets OCT 2008


DUBYA FOUGHT ALL 50 STATE AG'S IN 2003, INVOKING A CIVIL WAR ERA RULE SAYING FEDS RULE ON "PREDATORY" LENDERS!

Dubya was warned by the FBI of an "epidemic" of mortgage fraud in 2004. He gave them less resources. Later in 2004 Dubya allowed the leverage rules to go from 12-1 to 33-1 which flooded the market with cheap money!

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble


He insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac meet ambitious new goals for low-income lending.

Concerned that down payments were a barrier, Bush persuaded Congress to spend as much as $200 million a year to help first-time buyers with down payments and closing costs.

And he pushed to allow first-time buyers to qualify for government insured mortgages with no money down



Thanks again to the Bush administrations allowing the greedy & unethical brokers to operate at their will.

 

[Dad2three]

The problem is, idiots like you consider flushing a half a billion dollars down the Solyndra toilet to be a good investment in science.

Government can't choose between ideas and MAKE some of them work. That's best left to private enterprise.

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders

American School of Economics


American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program

Despite what critics say, the DoE’s guaranteed loan program is a successful program. The default rate for the loan portfolio is less than 4%. By comparison, the loan default rate for the Small Business Administration is nearly 12%, three times as high as the DoE’s loan program.

Secretary Chu also clarified that the actual cost to the taxpayer of DoE's loan program will be roughly $2.5 billion, which is the actual amount appropriated to the program, and not the $38.6 billion that is often cited. Considering the program has created over 60,000 jobs, it cost taxpayers roughly $42,000 per job created


Solyndra accounts for less than 2% of the DOE's successful Loan Program


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
Obama?s Solar Bets May Avoid Solyndra?s Fate With Low Costs - Bloomberg

Up to 50 Obama-backed energy companies financially troubled | The Daily Caller

Obama picked companies not for their potential success, but by how much the owners contributed to his campaign.

Democrats believe the Treasury's purpose is to let them give money to cronies.

TROUBLED? LOL

LESS THAN 4% OF DOE BUDGET DEFAULTED, MUCH BETTER THAN PRIVATE MARKETS



Bush Admin. Advanced16 Projects, Including Solyndra, Out Of 143 Submissions
Hearings and Votes | Energy & Commerce Committee

DOE Under Bush Admin. Set Out Timeline For Completing Solyndra Review
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/Solar Background Document 1.pdf

In March, The Same Credit Committee Of Career Civil Servants recommended Approval
Exclusive Timeline: Bush Administration Advanced Solyndra Loan Guarantee for Two Years, Media Blow the Story | ThinkProgress

DOE Official: "It's The Same Group Of Career Professionals That Were On The First Committee."
Hearings and Votes | Energy & Commerce Committee



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[Uncensored2008]

Article I of the Constitution sets forth most of the powers of Congress, which include numerous explicit powers enumerated in Section 8. Constitutional amendments have granted Congress additional powers. Congress also has implied powers derived from the Necessary and Proper Clause of the Constitution.

Yes it does, drooling little sycophant.

Of course none of this has a damned thing to do with your ignorant claim that the Constitution places limits on the people.

Hatred and stupidity are the twin pillars of leftism, which you exemplify so well, Cletus.