Why do you want more government in your life?

[Maple]

I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?

Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?

I just don't get it.

Because it's easier than taking personal responsibility.

There is someone to blame for your own shortcomings and failures.

silly girl

there is always someone to "blame"

right wing christians blame liberals and democrats

right wing conservatives blame liberals and democrats

conservatives blame liberals and democrats

rush limbaugh and ann coulter blame liberals and democrats

you and political chick blame liberals and democrats...

see

you don't need government to blame when you've got liberals and democrats

And liberal democrats blame EVERONE, and even the weather too.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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I swear, I wish liberals would stop exaggerating by claiming that we say Obama is trying to repress the people.

Maybe if conservatives hadn't suddenly gotten so fond of the word 'tyranny' we wouldn't.

btw, who is this 'we' you're the spokesperson for?

 

[drsmith1072]

That entire post is utter nonsense. Not true. Fabrication. A willful misrepresentation. All of the above.

Obama doesnt want to take over the world. You win my tin-foil-hat award today.

If it was utter nonsense, you would think youd be able to point to a specific part of what was said and explain why it's total nonsense.

However, you haven't. Which makes me think you can't.

It's funny how you don't apply that standard to your own posts or the posts of other rightes.

Furthermore, since that is your standard of making people prove how a statement is wrong instead of merely saying it is wrong then I am certain that the opposite should apply and you should aslo demand that someone proof how a claim is "right on target" insead of merely claiming it. So where are your demands directed rabbi's post where claims that it is "right on target?"

However, since this is all based on the claims by maple shouldn't you be asking that maple PROVE her claims rather than demanding that vanquish prove maple wrong??

 

[drsmith1072]

It has more to do with your wallet than anything else, but come 2014 you will have an IRS agent making sure that you have health insurance. Then if cap and trade happens to pass you will see a major increase in your utitlity bills. Then if the commerce clause of the Constitution is not up-held by the 23 states that are taking Obamacare to the supreme court you could be forced to purchase not only health care, but then you may be forced to purchase a treadmill, gym membership, the type of car or house you will own, the type of appliances that will go in that house and on and on and on it will go.

Obama is a socialist-- He wants it all, first the banks, then the car companies, then health care, now wall street with his financial reform, then energy.

Definition of Socialism- A social system based on GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the production and distribution of goods and services.

The problem is The government has bankrupted-

Fannie Mae
Freddie Mac
The postal service
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid-

You say they have not effected you? they will, you can count on that with this regime in power. They will not only affect you they will affect your great, great grandchildren with the debt that they are saddling them with.

That entire post is utter nonsense. Not true. Fabrication. A willful misrepresentation. All of the above.

Obama doesnt want to take over the world. You win my tin-foil-hat award today.

Care to tell me how my statement is not true???? Do you have some facts to back your statement up???? Because I have a wealth of facts and truths to back mine up.

It's one thing to claim that you have the facts it's another to provide them.

 

[drsmith1072]

"The whole thing is absurd." That's roughly equal to "I have no good arguments against any of it."
In the interests of honesty you might post that instead.

"Actually it is right on target. No one said Obama wants to take over the world. Just the U.S. " That's roughly equal to "I have nothing real to back it up but I like it so it must be true"

In the interests of honesty you might post that instead.

LOL Funny how that works isn't it?? LOL

 

[drsmith1072]

Rabbi - stop being obtuse. I said the world...that's the same spirit as what Maple said.

Avatar - I dont have to point to one thing...the entire thing is ludicrous.

Maple - you're the one making the absurd assertions. He's not trying to take everything over. Plain and simple. You've yet to prove he does. He's not a socialist - I suggest you stop using terms that you don't understand. Your "wealth of facts" is pretty insubstantial.

More partisan quackery.

The problem is they are not absurd they are true, Obviously you are one of those liberal progressives who have been drinking the coolaid. What is not true about my original post? Obama bailed out the car companies, he passed Obamacare, he is going after energy with cap and tax, right now he is pursuing financial reform in which his regime can dictate who fails and who succeeds. What part of that do you not understand, THAT IS GOVERNMENT CONTROL. Obamacare hires 16,500 new IRS agents to implement the mandatory plan to force you to purchase health care insurance. THAT'S GOVERNMENT CONTROL

He is a SOCIALIST because this is what SOCIALISTS DO.

So even if you have insurance already these IRS agents will force EVERYONE to purchase healthcare?? Really? Then prove it.

Furthermore, in order to be socialist he would have to TAKE OVER COMPLETELY the means of production. Has that happened?? NO.

Your ASSUMPTIONS, the MANY that you have presented, are NOT true merely because you believe them to be true.

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF??

 

[drsmith1072]

Why am I not continuing to post anything of merit? Because everything he posted has been debated and debunked till we're all blue in the face.

You're never going to change your mind. I'm not going to change my mind.

I've studied socialist economic systems and been published on the subject. I've lived in Russia. I know what socialism is and Obama's not socialist. But your side won't let go of that word because it resonates with you. It has power because it scares people. So you'll never let go...even though you've been proven wrong.

Why on Earth would I keep showing you the light only to have it wasted?

You have not proven me wrong, because you can't, you are sucking wind and hyperventilating. Obama is a committed socialist- what I don't understand is why you are not PROUD of the term socialist because obviously you are one too.

Socialism on display for all to see.

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He doesn't have to prove you wrong, you have to prove YOUR claims and thus far you avoided doing so IF you even can. So why do you avoid providing PROOF even as you demand that others prove you wrong??

 

[The Rabbi]

"The whole thing is absurd." That's roughly equal to "I have no good arguments against any of it."
In the interests of honesty you might post that instead.

"Actually it is right on target. No one said Obama wants to take over the world. Just the U.S. " That's roughly equal to "I have nothing real to back it up but I like it so it must be true"

In the interests of honesty you might post that instead.

LOL Funny how that works isn't it?? LOL

It works to make you look stupid. Does a fine job too, I'd say.
If you have something to argue against those posts do so.

 

[Richard-H]

I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?

Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?

I just don't get it.

The question is basically absurd and leading.

The liberal movement has always fought for more personal liberties, for keeping government out of everyone's personal life.

It's the conservatives that want to limit personal freedoms and have more government directly in people's lives.

Liberal's want more government programs that regulate business and protect everyone from abusive business practices. Government intervention in business and economics does not mean government interfering in everyone's personal lives, it means government protecting everyone from the business vultures that will ruin our lives.

 

[Avatar4321]

I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?

Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?

I just don't get it.

The question is basically absurd and leading.

The liberal movement has always fought for more personal liberties, for keeping government out of everyone's personal life.

It's the conservatives that want to limit personal freedoms and have more government directly in people's lives.

Liberal's want more government programs that regulate business and protect everyone from abusive business practices. Government intervention in business and economics does not mean government interfering in everyone's personal lives, it means government protecting everyone from the business vultures that will ruin our lives.

Which, of course, is why they are telling us what we can and cant do in regards to our health care. What we can eat and can't. What we can drink and can't. What kind of energy we have to purchase. That we have to work until April 9ths to break even paying off the federal government for the year. Which is why we are now in debt for trillions of dollars we don't have.

Exactly what personal liberties are you standing for?

 

[Avatar4321]

He doesn't have to prove you wrong, you have to prove YOUR claims and thus far you avoided doing so IF you even can. So why do you avoid providing PROOF even as you demand that others prove you wrong??

So Obama hasn't taken over the car companies? He isnt mandating we purchase health insurance? He isn't trying to regulate our energy usage?

Exactly which part of that didn't she prove?

 

[drsmith1072]

"The whole thing is absurd." That's roughly equal to "I have no good arguments against any of it."
In the interests of honesty you might post that instead.

"Actually it is right on target. No one said Obama wants to take over the world. Just the U.S. " That's roughly equal to "I have nothing real to back it up but I like it so it must be true"

In the interests of honesty you might post that instead.

LOL Funny how that works isn't it?? LOL

It works to make you look stupid. Does a fine job too, I'd say.
If you have something to argue against those posts do so.

Actually it works to show you as being hypocritical as you demand proof from others that you can't seem to provide.

You attack another poster who merely said they were wrong and yet provided no proof and then defend yourself for claiming that is right on target when you provided no proof.

So why do you hold others to different stnadards that you hold yourself?

Providing proof lies with the one making the claims and thus far all I have seen are righties demanding that others prove them wrong when the righties have failed to prove their own arguments.

 

[drsmith1072]

I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?

Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?

I just don't get it.

The question is basically absurd and leading.

The liberal movement has always fought for more personal liberties, for keeping government out of everyone's personal life.

It's the conservatives that want to limit personal freedoms and have more government directly in people's lives.

Liberal's want more government programs that regulate business and protect everyone from abusive business practices. Government intervention in business and economics does not mean government interfering in everyone's personal lives, it means government protecting everyone from the business vultures that will ruin our lives.

Which, of course, is why they are telling us what we can and cant do in regards to our health care. What we can eat and can't. What we can drink and can't. What kind of energy we have to purchase. That we have to work until April 9ths to break even paying off the federal government for the year. Which is why we are now in debt for trillions of dollars we don't have.

Exactly what personal liberties are you standing for?

WOW the government has regulated food, water, healthcare, and energy for years so it still amazes how now all of a sudden that it's all wrong to do so. LOL

Exactly when are you guys going to get a REAL issue and start whining about that??

 

[drsmith1072]

He doesn't have to prove you wrong, you have to prove YOUR claims and thus far you avoided doing so IF you even can. So why do you avoid providing PROOF even as you demand that others prove you wrong??

So Obama hasn't taken over the car companies? He isnt mandating we purchase health insurance? He isn't trying to regulate our energy usage?

Exactly which part of that didn't she prove?

Are you trying to claim that opbama has taken over ALL car companies?? Really?? I have to ask because when you say "the car companies" that implies all. So can you prove that allegation?? Didn't think so.

If you already have insurance then you are NOT required to purchase health insurace and I countered one of her claims in a previous post on this very page. You must have missed or ignored it.
I can't imagine why you would ignore it. <sarcasm>

I just love the way you ask questions which attempts to put the burden on me to prove your assertions wrong. Nice dishonesty but the burden still lies on those who made the claims. So can you prove it or NOT?

 

[Some Guy]

WOW the government has regulated food, water, healthcare, and energy for years so it still amazes how now all of a sudden that it's all wrong to do so. LOL

Exactly when are you guys going to get a REAL issue and start whining about that??

Just like anything, there's comes a point when some becomes too much. You'd probably be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't want the government regulating food safety and other things of like, but it becomes absurd when the policies attempt to control how a business works. Cap and trade is nothing more than an excuse to tax more traditional means of energy in effort to price them out of the market. Using that as just an example, it's one thing to make sure they're not overtly polluting the environment, but trying to tax an industry out of business is something entirely different.

 

[drsmith1072]

WOW the government has regulated food, water, healthcare, and energy for years so it still amazes how now all of a sudden that it's all wrong to do so. LOL

Exactly when are you guys going to get a REAL issue and start whining about that??

Just like anything, there's comes a point when some becomes too much. You'd probably be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't want the government regulating food safety and other things of like, but it becomes absurd when the policies attempt to control how a business works. Cap and trade is nothing more than an excuse to tax more traditional means of energy in effort to price them out of the market. Using that as just an example, it's one thing to make sure they're not overtly polluting the environment, but trying to tax an industry out of business is something entirely different.

so much for getting something REAL.

Still waiting on the proof. I keep getting a lot of opinions but that's about all that has been presented.

Personally I don't see how cap and trade accomplishes what you claim it will accomplish let alone how it "taxes" them to price them out of the market. care to explain?

 

[HUGGY]

I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?

Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?

I just don't get it.

Why do you want more government in your life?


As usual the religious voice askes the wrong question. A thinking man wants less outside influence in his life... Get rid of the influence peddling lobbiests and we will be far better off. If that is accomplished "our government" will be responsive to OUR interests. The problem of big or small is irelevant if none of its activity is truly in our best interest.

 

[rikules]

I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?

Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?

I just don't get it.

well
we need more government to wage war on pot smokers (can't let people freely smoking pot, you know... There is NOTHING in the constitution giving anyone the right to smoke pot)

and we need more government to make sure homosexuals don't get married

and we need to shut up those atheists....America is a CHRISTIAN nation and atheists should just shut up....we need more government to do that....

and now we have to check for illegal aliens....

all over the country...

that will take a LOT of government to do it correctly....

 

[mskafka]

If we're speaking on a partisanship level, it's going to depend on what you think that the government should be involved in. There is a great deal of...hypocrisy for lack of better terms on the whole "government in my life". One side says, " I want government to stay out of my wallet, and my gun safe."....BUT, "Gays shouldn't be allowed to visit each other in the hospital....get married....more drivel..." "Abortions and other issues pertaining to someone else's body, should be addressed by our legislature"AND...from a recent extreme-right coworker of mine I heard verbatim: "By killing muslim children, we are doing them a favor." And on the extreme left, you have the absolute opposite.

Point being...if you want government to stay out of your life, then this should pertain to ALL aspects of your life. If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then stop picking and choosing how and when the government stays out of your affairs.

 

[mskafka]

And if you have the answers; by all means.....run for office. Change things. Nothing's stopping you.