Why do Republicans celebrate the failure of Green Energy

[Valerie]

because it makes them feel vindicated so they can shriek "drill baby drill"

And you should choose another hobby such as knitting or baking cookies. This is no place for you.

thanks for the advise. it fits with your fifth grade education.

now feel free to throw a tantrum because of the neg.

He was obviously just begging for that...SO I negged him too.

 

[syrenn]

Politics aside, what is to be gained if Green Energy fails as an alternative energy source? Isn't having alternatives to big oil a benefit for this country? Why is it official GOP policy that Drill, baby drill is the only acceptable answer to our energy needs?

All new technologies suffer failures. More money has been lost in this country by speculative oil failures than anything else

Why the celebrations?

politics aside..... I don't think anyone wants green energy to fail. Politics aside...its pretty easy to see this money was given as favors.

If the government wanted green energy to work, instead of giving billions as favors... in my opinion they should have given that money to the end users in HUGE rebates for installing solar panels.

The homeowner is happy, they get solar, less energy bills and a break on the price.
The business owners are happy, they make money by selling solar and in turn hire more workers.
The people are happy becasue jobs are created.
Demand for solar is increased and solar companies invest in making better products.

Even if this plan goes belly up....it is not wasted. Some people will still have their solar panels and others would have been paid for jobs.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Rightwinger you're looking at it from the wrong prospective. Most of our posts are about one thing and one thing only.

WE TOLD YOU SO!

Yep, that's basically it. We told you tree huggers if the industry was viable to begin with it wouldn't require the injection of trillions of our tax dollars to supplement it.

Obviously since Obama gave so much of our money to donors and supporters who just happend to start green companies as he came to power, we called him on the blatant BULLSHIT.


Your clearly too wrapped up in ideological wet dreams to face the reality that the rest of us have known for years. It's too damn funny.......Pre election Obama promises to bankrupt coal plants. Then shortly after his election he pushes electric cars. Are you so fucking stupid you don't see a problem with this idiotic scenario?



Obamas presidency is about MONEY FOR NOTHING and breaking the spirit of Americas innovators.

He's a terrible president.

 

[rightwinger]

Rightwinger you're looking at it from the wrong prospective. Most of our posts are about one thing and one thing only.

WE TOLD YOU SO!

Yep, that's basically it. We told you tree huggers if the industry was viable to begin with it wouldn't require the injection of trillions of our tax dollars to supplement it.

Obviously since Obama gave so much of our money to donors and supporters who just happend to start green companies as he came to power, we called him on the blatant BULLSHIT.


Your clearly too wrapped up in ideological wet dreams to face the reality that the rest of us have known for years. It's too damn funny.......Pre election Obama promises to bankrupt coal plants. Then shortly after his election he pushes electric cars. Are you so fucking stupid you don't see a problem with this idiotic scenario?



Obamas presidency is about MONEY FOR NOTHING and breaking the spirit of Americas innovators.

He's a terrible president.

Any fledgling technology needs R&D support. With the political and economic clout of big oil, it is next to impossible for any new energy technology to succeed. We have been trying for 35 years to open the doors to new technology and big oil has done just enough to keep it from being economically competitive

 

[Claudette]

Speaking of being a poor student of history, google "history of the oil industry" and report back to the class how the US government developed the oil industry. We'll wait.

well, it turns out you have some reading to do! Did you ask me to do this search because you don't think the oil companies are subsidized or that you are just too lazy to do it yourself? Or maybe you are under the impression that the oil companies AREN'T subsidized. That would be amazing because you're smart enough to know about that.

So, here are some links:

NY Times Advertisement

What

One is from the New York Times, the other from The Heritage Foundation. Both are biased, but neither refute the existence of subsidies for the oil business.

Nice try NK, but no cigar. Show us where the US government was involved in the founding of the oil industry. You used the word "founded" and "history". You set the parameters. Stick to them. We aren't talking today where petroleum is a national security concern. We are talking the historical founding and development of the oil industry and who was responsible for it, the government or private business. Try again.

Easy. Private business.

Rough necks who went out and found the oil and then pulled it out of the ground.

As far as I can tell the Govt had ab-so-lutely nothing to do with oil when it first came on the scene.

Loads of these oil men went broke in the search for oil and Uncle Sam never bailed any of them out.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If solar power were viable and affordable all us Floridians would have been using it for decades.

It ain't and we aren't.

That doesn't say that it won't be in the future but its not right now.

My neighbor has 2 panels, heats all of his hot water and some of his heating in the winter. He has about 25K in it all, has lived here for 20 years and says it paid for itself about 14years. And we live in north Georgia.
Of course many do not have 25K and prefer to pay out the additional $1500 a year as convenience.
I do agree that the systems are primitive as to what we can have.
So were cell phones in 1985.

One of the easiests ways to "go green" is to have your floors heated with water that is simply pumped through the earth, heated by terra firma and then ran through piping under the floor in a new house.

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[kwc57]

Rightwinger you're looking at it from the wrong prospective. Most of our posts are about one thing and one thing only.

WE TOLD YOU SO!

Yep, that's basically it. We told you tree huggers if the industry was viable to begin with it wouldn't require the injection of trillions of our tax dollars to supplement it.

Obviously since Obama gave so much of our money to donors and supporters who just happend to start green companies as he came to power, we called him on the blatant BULLSHIT.


Your clearly too wrapped up in ideological wet dreams to face the reality that the rest of us have known for years. It's too damn funny.......Pre election Obama promises to bankrupt coal plants. Then shortly after his election he pushes electric cars. Are you so fucking stupid you don't see a problem with this idiotic scenario?



Obamas presidency is about MONEY FOR NOTHING and breaking the spirit of Americas innovators.

He's a terrible president.

Any fledgling technology needs R&D support. With the political and economic clout of big oil, it is next to impossible for any new energy technology to succeed. We have been trying for 35 years to open the doors to new technology and big oil has done just enough to keep it from being economically competitive

Really? When Apple created the iPad, how much R&D dollars did the US government give Steve Jobs?

 

[Claudette]

How much did Bill Gates get??

 

[bripat9643]

thanks for the advise. it fits with your fifth grade education.

now feel free to throw a tantrum because of the neg.

He was obviously just begging for that...SO I negged him too.

I negged you, so it evens out.

 

[Valerie]

thanks for the advise. it fits with your fifth grade education.

now feel free to throw a tantrum because of the neg.

He was obviously just begging for that...SO I negged him too.

I negged you, so it evens out.

Yes, I see you're a real math wiz there!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Not really...

There is a time and a palce for everything.

When unemployment is at 8.5-10% and When middle class America is struggling to keep up with their existing cost of living is by no means the time to expect that those same middle class Americans will invest lots of money now in green energy for long term savings.

To invest 20K for me to have solar panels installed so I can save 2000 a year in heating bills sounds great in the long run......but who wants to take the chance now by letting go of 20K?

Because it's not economically viable now is the reason why money should be spent on R&D to come up with technology, innovations, and new energies so it becomes economically viable.

Again, that attitude is short sighted and off-base.

the pipline would create thousands of permanent high paying jobs.

Bullshit!!!!!

There's ZERO "proof" of that.​

 

[bripat9643]

I started to reply to your post finger boy, but when I got to the part about the interstate highways being a boondoggle I remembered who I was responding to

You posts come from a Childs perspective and do not merit an appropriate response

You mean you thought about it for a few minutes and realized there is absolutely no reason we needed to replace our private railroad system with the interstate highway system

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Rightwinger you're looking at it from the wrong prospective. Most of our posts are about one thing and one thing only.

WE TOLD YOU SO!

Yep, that's basically it. We told you tree huggers if the industry was viable to begin with it wouldn't require the injection of trillions of our tax dollars to supplement it.

Obviously since Obama gave so much of our money to donors and supporters who just happend to start green companies as he came to power, we called him on the blatant BULLSHIT.


Your clearly too wrapped up in ideological wet dreams to face the reality that the rest of us have known for years. It's too damn funny.......Pre election Obama promises to bankrupt coal plants. Then shortly after his election he pushes electric cars. Are you so fucking stupid you don't see a problem with this idiotic scenario?



Obamas presidency is about MONEY FOR NOTHING and breaking the spirit of Americas innovators.

He's a terrible president.

Any fledgling technology needs R&D support. With the political and economic clout of big oil, it is next to impossible for any new energy technology to succeed. We have been trying for 35 years to open the doors to new technology and big oil has done just enough to keep it from being economically competitive

Solar energy has been around at least since the sixties. Hardly a fledgling technology. If it were viable it would take off on its own. Just to power your home your entire back yard would be covered in panels. And that doesn't include powering the electric car Obama is wanting you to buy at the same time he bankrupts the industry that provides the electricity.
Face it...... Most of this nonsense was nothing more that political tit for tat.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Not really...

There is a time and a palce for everything.

When unemployment is at 8.5-10% and When middle class America is struggling to keep up with their existing cost of living is by no means the time to expect that those same middle class Americans will invest lots of money now in green energy for long term savings.

To invest 20K for me to have solar panels installed so I can save 2000 a year in heating bills sounds great in the long run......but who wants to take the chance now by letting go of 20K?

Because it's not economically viable now is the reason why money should be spent on R&D to come up with technology, innovations, and new energies so it becomes economically viable.

Again, that attitude is short sighted and off-base.

Let the private sector invest in R&D....Leave the taxpayers out of it.

Ah, yes......Stay The Course!!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

Rightwinger you're looking at it from the wrong prospective. Most of our posts are about one thing and one thing only.

WE TOLD YOU SO!

Yep, that's basically it. We told you tree huggers if the industry was viable to begin with it wouldn't require the injection of trillions of our tax dollars to supplement it.

Obviously since Obama gave so much of our money to donors and supporters who just happend to start green companies as he came to power, we called him on the blatant BULLSHIT.


Your clearly too wrapped up in ideological wet dreams to face the reality that the rest of us have known for years. It's too damn funny.......Pre election Obama promises to bankrupt coal plants. Then shortly after his election he pushes electric cars. Are you so fucking stupid you don't see a problem with this idiotic scenario?



Obamas presidency is about MONEY FOR NOTHING and breaking the spirit of Americas innovators.

He's a terrible president.

Any fledgling technology needs R&D support. With the political and economic clout of big oil, it is next to impossible for any new energy technology to succeed. We have been trying for 35 years to open the doors to new technology and big oil has done just enough to keep it from being economically competitive

Solar energy has been around at least since the sixties. Hardly a fledgling technology.

.....And, old-fucks, like you, have sabotaged it at.....

.....every opportunity!!!!!

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[Bern80]

Politics aside, what is to be gained if Green Energy fails as an alternative energy source? Isn't having alternatives to big oil a benefit for this country? Why is it official GOP policy that Drill, baby drill is the only acceptable answer to our energy needs?

All new technologies suffer failures. More money has been lost in this country by speculative oil failures than anything else

Why the celebrations?

I don't see anyone celebrating it. It's more of an "I told you so". And it's not that the right is 'happy' about now having alternative energy sources.

The issue is that the right doesn't want alternative energy forced on anyone. There are pros and cons to everything and right now there are more cons to so called 'green energy' than pros. On the pro side 'green energy' is cleaner and it's'.....well.....that's actually about it. It's going to cost everyone more because it's more expensive to produce or will have to be heavily subsidized like ethanol already is to make it competitive. 'Green energy', except nuclear, is less reliable than fossil fuel based energy as well.

 

[Nosmo King]

It's not the green energy's fault the owners are taking the government stimulus and giving it back to the guy that stole it from the American people to begin with.

I'm all for "GREEN", I just don't think politicians are the ones that should be selling it. Private investors + private money = successful business, Americans win and have real jobs. Government - campaign contributions = business failures, Americans lose and it costs them more than just money.

Do you think that oil has never accepted any federal money for development, exploration or transportation? Was the oil business in this or any other country one founded upon and sustained exclusively by private investment?

Is this why Conservatives find carbon fuel so noble? If it is, it goes to prove my theory that Conservatives are poor students of history.

Hardly the point. Contrary to the Left's belief that large oil companies receive the lion's share of subsidies, it is actually small or independent oil business that receives them.
Fossil fuels are not in any way "noble". Those fuels are simply the least costly, easiest to market and of course used in thousands of different applications.

Are you talking about fossil fuels? Aren't they the dirtiest in terms of pollution, costliest in terms of transportation, hardest to obtain due to their scarcity and the political climates where they are concentrated?

And the quest for more fossil fuels have brought us where? To mountaintop removal for coal? Tar sands for oil and fracking and injection wells for natural gas? The methods are dangerous, costly and polluting. Hardly an endorsement as "easy".

 

[Nosmo King]

Speaking of being a poor student of history, google "history of the oil industry" and report back to the class how the US government developed the oil industry. We'll wait.

well, it turns out you have some reading to do! Did you ask me to do this search because you don't think the oil companies are subsidized or that you are just too lazy to do it yourself? Or maybe you are under the impression that the oil companies AREN'T subsidized. That would be amazing because you're smart enough to know about that.

So, here are some links:

NY Times Advertisement

What

One is from the New York Times, the other from The Heritage Foundation. Both are biased, but neither refute the existence of subsidies for the oil business.

Nice try NK, but no cigar. Show us where the US government was involved in the founding of the oil industry. You used the word "founded" and "history". You set the parameters. Stick to them. We aren't talking today where petroleum is a national security concern. We are talking the historical founding and development of the oil industry and who was responsible for it, the government or private business. Try again.

I was asking about subsidies for the oil business. I'm so sorry that your only reply was one drenched in semantics. What a tenuous position you hold when that is your best argument.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The best alternative energy that will meet our needs is nuclear.

Wind and solar on a scale large enough to make a real difference is too expensive and requires too much space.

IMO wind and solar are good on a small scale to supplement individual homes or small groups of homes where many panels are tied into a local grid. But wind and solar are unpredictable and not always 100% productive.

We should not be dumping billions into large scale wind and solar projects that will only supply energy some of the time.

Small nuclear reactors are cost efficient, safe and do not require the huge amounts of water that large breeder reactors do.

And waste is not a problem as over 98% of spent nuclear fuel is recyclable.

 

[Nosmo King]

The best alternative energy that will meet our needs is nuclear.

Wind and solar on a scale large enough to make a real difference is too expensive and requires too much space.

IMO wind and solar are good on a small scale to supplement individual homes or small groups of homes where many panels are tied into a local grid. But wind and solar are unpredictable and not always 100% productive.

We should not be dumping billions into large scale wind and solar projects that will only supply energy some of the time.

Small nuclear reactors are cost efficient, safe and do not require the huge amounts of water that large breeder reactors do.

And waste is not a problem as over 98% of spent nuclear fuel is recyclable.

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