Why do Republicans celebrate the failure of Green Energy

[kwc57]

So, let's sum up. Government subsidies for oil=good and necessary, government subsidies for sustainable energy=bad.

Seems the sustainable energy people need two things: more lobbyists to buy more congressmen and a think tank full of 'pundits' who can craft a message and buy the influence of Rush Limbaugh. After that, each and every Conservative will genuflect at the altar of sustainable energy. 'Cause Rush said so.

That has to be the way. Otherwise, all those Conservatives would realize that:

1) fossil fuels are a finite resource

2) fossil fuels create more pollution than we can safely absorb

3) fossil fuels are dirty to produce (obtain, refine and transport)

4) fossil fuels seem to be concentrated in areas with unstable political regimes

5) sustainable energy, like fossil fuels, will take time to develop and implement, yet the pay back is huge in terms of environmental safety, political risk and long term reliability

6) big energy has the resources to spin their message so with out much intellect it's easy to dismiss sustainable energy.

Short answer, let us know when you develop an alternate energy source that can power the industrialized world like oil, gas and coal can. Big energy is big for a reason, it works. Personally, I want to see those solar powered 18 wheelers pulling cargo over the continental divide at 70 MPH and the wind powered airliner carrying hundreds of passengers across the ocean.

Ummm.... ever hear of Hydrogen? Plentiful, clean, efficient as hell.... difficult to manufacture though... However, If BIG OIL, or some other current entity would pour their $$$ into R&D on how to more efficiently produce it, that company(s) would still have something to sell and profit off of.

If we find a reasonably cost effective method for extracting hydrogen, Fuel Cells could power 18 wheelers, airplanes, cars, get homes off of the electrical grid, etc.

Yes, IF.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ummm.... ever hear of Hydrogen? Plentiful, clean, efficient as hell.... difficult to manufacture though... However, If BIG OIL, or some other current entity would pour their $$$ into R&D on how to more efficiently produce it, that company(s) would still have something to sell and profit off of.

If we find a reasonably cost effective method for extracting hydrogen, Fuel Cells could power 18 wheelers, airplanes, cars, get homes off of the electrical grid, etc.

Hydrogen...Excellent idea.
I wrote earlier in speculation that the oil companies would not find it in their best interest if hydrogen technology was somehow mass produced at a motor fuel.
This is political. No one regardless of their political affiliation or ideology is innocent on this one.
I saw an Episode of "Stossel" where hydrogen as a motor fuel was discussed.
Hydrogen would be a miracle if mass marketed and distributed.
The best part of hydrogen is the only waste product of hydrogen combustion is water vapor.
Compare Fuel Cell Vehicles Side-by-Side
HowStuffWorks "The Future of Hydrogen-Boosted Gas Engines" is an even better idea...
BTW, most people are unaware that diesel locomotives are actually powered by electric motors. The diesel simply powers the the motor which turns a generator which generates power to the drive wheels. This is why a typical locomotive can realize an effective 150 MPG of diesel fuel.
It is THE real hybrid.

Just as soon as you guys give up the Secret on how to Cost effectively Produce Large Amounts of Hydrogen. Just because you can make it does not mean you can make it work. Current Technology can not produce more Energy out of the Hydrogen they get, then it took to get it.

It's nothing but a pipe dream until that issue is solved. Unless you want to allow the Building of new Nuclear Plants, that can supply the power Needed to Extract Hydrogen from Water for Liquid Fuel to Burn on Mass it's simply not Practical. We get 80% of our Electricity from Coal and Gas Fired Plants, Using them to supply Electricity To Extract Hydrogen would make no sense as they would burn more potential Energy then the Hydrogen they got is capable of Producing, There for it would be a net loss, and more Pollution going into the air.

In not so many words, you are in the ballpark. However, at this time hydrogen is about the most promising alternative to fossil fuels.
The hydrogen boosted gasoline engine looks promising.
Now, at the end of the day, nothing in the way of these new technologies moves forward until there is projected profitability in it.

 

[The Infidel]

Politics aside, what is to be gained if Green Energy fails as an alternative energy source? Isn't having alternatives to big oil a benefit for this country? Why is it official GOP policy that Drill, baby drill is the only acceptable answer to our energy needs?

All new technologies suffer failures. More money has been lost in this country by speculative oil failures than anything else

Why the celebrations?

I don't know why, especially given that failure is seen by progressive socialists that they need even more subsidies and straigt-up handouts in order to keep their fairy tale "green energy" scams afloat.

Here's an idea....Get left nutters like Gates, Soros, Buffett and 99% of Hollyweird know-it-alls to "invest" their bazillions of dollars in your unicorns and lucky leprechauns.

If the money being WASTED was from private investors it would be one thing, but this regime is stealing it from the taxpayers and giving it to their friends to piss away with NO ACCOUNTABILTY !!!


Leftwinger.... you are an idiot troll...!!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Right! I'll get right on that so you can be baffled and come back with something you feel at ease with such as "typical tree hugger whining".

Stack the deck and throw in a churlish remark like 'I will not hold my breath until I receive a sensible reply.'? Get real! No one, except maybe bripat, is stupid enough for that ploy.

Stumped.eh?
Figures. The obvious fact is you have no answers to these sensible questions.
You are out of gas( pun intended).

No, I'm not stumped. I presented my opinion on fossil fuels and you waved it away with a tired old Conservative cliché: typical tree-hugger whining.

You want to discuss these issues on your terms and your terms alone. And those terms do not include a rational view of the real problems. Only dismissal based on the narrow Conservative template.

Your opinion is noted. I asked you to enter a frank discussion on those opinions and requested you sprinkle in a fact or two with your reply. You saw the questions, and in your obvious lack of good answers dismissed them by accusing me of "stacking the deck"..
I did no such thing.
My questions are based on facts, not opinions.
Facts are not terms. They are the point of the debate.
If you want to discuss the facts, fine. If not, retire from the discussion.
Your lack of response to the questions leads to one possible conclusion. Stumped. As in no answers. Cool beans.
If you don't know, then you don't know.
A word to the wise. If you cannot defend your opinions then by all means, don't touch the subject.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You want to discuss these issues on your terms and your terms alone. And those terms do not include a rational view of the real problems. Only dismissal based on the narrow Conservative template.

He laid out for you an entire paragraph the rational views of the real problems. It is you who just doesn't seem to like that your 'Green energy' has some very real problems. YOU are the one focused on one single line of a post full of real issues with green energy. I don't often respond on the behalf of others but the out right dishonesty and lies you put forth are infuriating and need to made plain for all to see. You focused on one single line of his post. The one that called you whiner. While ignoring the entirey of the rest of the post that contained exactly what you claim to want to talk about it. Do you deny that those issues exist with 'green energy'? Is he incorrect about them? Come on. You say you want rational discussion about the real issues? They were put right in front of your face and YOU are the one the responded like an immature, dishonest, juvenile because you know you don't have the answers.

I gave him a chance to defend his position on these energy technologies.
He whiffed on a hanging curve ball. so be it.
Thanks for the post tho

 

[thereisnospoon]

Politics aside, what is to be gained if Green Energy fails as an alternative energy source? Isn't having alternatives to big oil a benefit for this country? Why is it official GOP policy that Drill, baby drill is the only acceptable answer to our energy needs?

All new technologies suffer failures. More money has been lost in this country by speculative oil failures than anything else

Why the celebrations?

I don't know why, especially given that failure is seen by progressive socialists that they need even more subsidies and straigt-up handouts in order to keep their fairy tale "green energy" scams afloat.

Here's an idea....Get left nutters like Gates, Soros, Buffett and 99% of Hollyweird know-it-alls to "invest" their bazillions of dollars in your unicorns and lucky leprechauns.

If the money being WASTED was from private investors it would be one thing, but this regime is stealing it from the taxpayers and giving it to their friends to piss away with NO ACCOUNTABILTY !!!


Leftwinger.... you are an idiot troll...!!!!

I like your tag line below...."Get busy living. Or get busy dying."
A quote from "Red" in Shawshank Redemption"

 

[Steelplate]

Short answer, let us know when you develop an alternate energy source that can power the industrialized world like oil, gas and coal can. Big energy is big for a reason, it works. Personally, I want to see those solar powered 18 wheelers pulling cargo over the continental divide at 70 MPH and the wind powered airliner carrying hundreds of passengers across the ocean.

Ummm.... ever hear of Hydrogen? Plentiful, clean, efficient as hell.... difficult to manufacture though... However, If BIG OIL, or some other current entity would pour their $$$ into R&D on how to more efficiently produce it, that company(s) would still have something to sell and profit off of.

If we find a reasonably cost effective method for extracting hydrogen, Fuel Cells could power 18 wheelers, airplanes, cars, get homes off of the electrical grid, etc.

Yes, IF.

Didn't read(or ignored) my post about a solar powered Hydrogen Production facility? More than enough renewable power to produce the hydrogen. Initial Cost of the array can be a one time subsidization by the government. How much do we spend on keeping the cost of gasoline and other fossil fuels affordable out of the taxpayers' dollar?

The problem is that people, as a general rule... are resistant to change. Combine that with the monied interests lobbying with all their might to keep their gravy train rolling.

 

[kwc57]

Ummm.... ever hear of Hydrogen? Plentiful, clean, efficient as hell.... difficult to manufacture though... However, If BIG OIL, or some other current entity would pour their $$$ into R&D on how to more efficiently produce it, that company(s) would still have something to sell and profit off of.

If we find a reasonably cost effective method for extracting hydrogen, Fuel Cells could power 18 wheelers, airplanes, cars, get homes off of the electrical grid, etc.

Yes, IF.

Didn't read(or ignored) my post about a solar powered Hydrogen Production facility? More than enough renewable power to produce the hydrogen. Initial Cost of the array can be a one time subsidization by the government. How much do we spend on keeping the cost of gasoline and other fossil fuels affordable out of the taxpayers' dollar?

The problem is that people, as a general rule... are resistant to change. Combine that with the monied interests lobbying with all their might to keep their gravy train rolling.

I read it. I have no problem with it. But what I highlighted in red is the key. IF. You have to get past the IF of finding a reasonable cost effective method and we aren't there yet.

And of course, you will have to contend with the folks who say that we over use our water now and we are using it all up.