Lol, you can say what you want, but you libtards never DEMONSTRATE you can keep more than one thought in your head at a time, much less actually prove the facts are on your side.
That's my main complaint with the modern American liberal. With extremely few exceptions, they are unable to focus on a concept and discuss it. They will invariably veer off into straw men, non sequitur, throw in red herrings, and will attack the messenger and getting them to actually address a topic is much much worse than herding cats. If I (or anybody else) tries to keep them on a topic they don't like, I/you can count on:
1. Being called a whole bunch of unattractive names
2. Being accused of all sorts of thoughts, ideas, beliefs, and wants that hadn't occured to me/us
3. Having the discussion immediately diverted to something totally unrelated
4. Being accused of statements I/we didn't make and having statements I/we did make, and that cannot be refuted, ignored. And then later on in the thread we will be accused of saying what we didn't say and we will be accused of not saying what we have already said. (I think there's something in the water they drink that causes selective reading or cognitive reading dysfunction.)
5. Never having the actual concept of the OP addressed head on with any kind of objective or comprehensive argument expressed.
6. Plus a whole lot of accusations of 'you do it too' or 'others do it too' that is intended to totally excuse them from all sins.
(I wish we could just all memorize the list and throw out a number each time it becomes pertinent. Sure would save a lot of typing.)
I am of course writing this in the wake of a good deal of frustration and resignation due to recent experience that it is impossible to have a reasoned discussion with a very high percentage of the leftists/liberals/progressives/statists/political class at USMB.
At the same time I have a lot of liberal friends here at USMB that I adore and count among my closest friends here. So it isn't a blanket condemnation. But for the rest, it makes them damn hard to like, much less love.
I agree. My use of 'bad' language has a lot to do with my time in the infantry and also reflects the lack of patience I have with these embiciles.
I swear George Soros must pay these idjits by the post.
But there are some good liberals, classic liberals, that will discuss things and engage with reason and supported fact. But they are far too influenced by the Jacobin trolls and either leave in frustration at a ruined thread or apparently feel that they are betraying their own side in some way.
Bob Beckel, Juan Williams and Alan Colmes are good examples of classic liberals who have strayed way off to the leftward fringe as has the whole Democratic Party. While Beckel remains a Christian, (dunno about Williams) and I pray for his soul, Colmes seems to have swallowed the whole anti-Christian playbook. But all three men will use reason and bring facts to the table. Beckel is one of the reasons I will actually watch the Five, Williams seems to rarely be on it, as I do like the others too especially Gutfeld, but they engage in more discussion than most shows of that sort.
I like Beckel too. Colmes not so much as I find him far too strident and prejudicial against anybody who disagrees with him, but that is based on my experience with him and his radio program from years past, not so much in his role on Fox News. Be careful about characterizing these guys as classical liberals though as classical liberals are what the Founders were: a people who believed in a nation in which the federal government would be small, limited, and restricted and the people would govern themselves and form themselves into whatever sort of societies they wished to have.
Among some of my favorite modern liberals have been Michael Kinsley, Molly Ivans, William Raspberry, Camille Paglia, and even Maureen Dowd has had her moments. I have regularly read them all because though they all support/supported concepts and principles I can't agree with or endorse, all are brutally honest, fair minded, and non partisan in a way that is very rare among liberals. They all have made me think, re-evaluate my position on this or that, and see things through a different perspective.