Why do patriotic Americans support Zionism?

[rhodescholar]

No Jack. I am only suggesting Israel is not morally superior to the Palestinians. Therefore the argument that we should help the Israelis because they are morally superior makes no sense.

Its too bad you're so fucking stupid, i'd try to explain why the israelis ARE morally superior - which is why those making over $5 an hour usually support them - and the bottom garbage of society like where you dwell - don't.

But the bottom line with why the USA gvt supports Israel is because of OIL in the middle east....Israel is a strategic location[/quotesrael was not used as a base in either war. Why? The rest of the Moslem countries wouldn't work with us if Israel was used as a base.

Since you answered your own question - and ignored the obvious racist concept of a "muslim nation" in the first place - should it not be obvious given the severe racism of the arab muslims why they have a problem with israel? Or was that too much thinking for one sentence for you? Take a deeeep breath, and read it again.

CMike do you really doubt that large numbers of civilians in Gaza were killed by Israel?

Why is that relevent? Was it their policy to target civilians, or is that the terrorist group hamas' strategy?

For those with any brains, read this article on how the West in general is going to have to be more realistic in how they are dealing with terrorist groups like hamas, hezbollah, etc.:

Column One: The Western way of war

 

[rhodescholar]

More news about Palestinian children.

I'm glad this mongoloid was banned, it smells better around here already. Serves the chimp right for posting a link from these POS sites, hope the pussy is reading this right now and raging

 

[Marc39]

Why do patriotic Americans support Zionist extremists?

Should the American taxpayer be compelled to send billions in welfare payments to the state of Israel? Couldn't this money be spent here in the U.S.，or better yet used to reduce our enormous deficit?

In the 1997 fiscal year, for example, Israel received $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, at least $525 million from other U.S. budgets, and $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the 1997 total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion. That’s $15,068,493 per day, 365 days a year.

By law, 75% of US foreign aid to Israel must be reinvested with American military contractors who employ hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Israel is also one of America's 20-largest export markets, last year representing nearly $15 BILLION in exports revenue.

So, in addition to being a key US ally and strategic and defensive asset, Israel is also a lucrative one.

This fiscal year, the US will waste $150 BILLION in military operations and foreign aid to America-hating jihadist crapholes Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan.

 

[Marc39]

Israel has an awful human rights record. Israel in no way respects the values America cherishes.

Israel is the only country in the decrepid Arab Muslim Middle East where every citizen is constitutionally guaranteed freedom, human rights and civil liberties.

Israel has a huge military establishment thanks to the largess of the American taxpayer. No other country has close to Israel's arsenal. Israel possesses a large nuclear stockpile.

Israel is one of the largest military exporters in the world.

You are clueless.

The only reason America is at war with the terrorists is because of our bias toward Israel. Pre-Israel, the U.S. was widely admired in the Mideast, we were a great power that didn't set up colonies. Now we are despised because we supply weapons used to slaughter civilians. Thanks Israel!

So, using your idiotic thinking, Turkey, which has had an alliance with Israel since 1949, including joint military exercises, should also be a target for jihadists.

But, no.

The reason America is at war with Muslims is Islamic ideology calling for jihad against the infidel.

The only reason why American taxpayers are compelled to deliver tons of cash and weapons to Israel is the activities of AIPAC (voted the 2nd most influential lobby in Washington). So the pro-Israel crowd bribes our politicians to put the interests of another country (Israel) over the interests of the American citizen.

The reason the US supports Israel is because Israel is an American ally and important strategic and defensive asset that embraces democratic principles and American values.

AIPAC is no more influential than the NRA, the UAW, the SEIC or the UFT.

 

[daveman]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Shai,

I am curious about what you would consider a just solution for the people of Najd. Najd was a Palestine village with a population of about 700 people. It was a small farm community with a history that went back hundreds of years.

Before the beginning of the 1948 war Najd was attacked by the Negev Brigade in Operation Barak. The people were expelled and became refugees in what is now called the Gaza Strip. The village was destroyed. In 1951 Israel built the settlement of Sderot on village land and moved in foreign settlers.

Should the people of Najd have the right to reclaim the land that was stolen from them in this act of aggression?

Anyone?

This is the key to the conflict. Until this is resolved, there will be no peace.

 

[Shai]

Shai,

I am curious about what you would consider a just solution for the people of Najd. Najd was a Palestine village with a population of about 700 people. It was a small farm community with a history that went back hundreds of years.

Before the beginning of the 1948 war Najd was attacked by the Negev Brigade in Operation Barak. The people were expelled and became refugees in what is now called the Gaza Strip. The village was destroyed. In 1951 Israel built the settlement of Sderot on village land and moved in foreign settlers.

Should the people of Najd have the right to reclaim the land that was stolen from them in this act of aggression?

Anyone?

This is the key to the conflict. Until this is resolved, there will be no peace.

Without having to start an argument why your founding assumption is incorrect what ever they want: Compensation and settling in the Palestinian Authority territory OR back to "their homes" live in Israel under the Israeli law. If they choose the second choice there will be no need for a Palestinian state because all who claim they deserve an independent state will return to live in Israel.

This is much more then what Arab countries give/offer to the Jews that forced to leave.

 

[Marc39]

Shai,

I am curious about what you would consider a just solution for the people of Najd. Najd was a Palestine village with a population of about 700 people. It was a small farm community with a history that went back hundreds of years.

Before the beginning of the 1948 war Najd was attacked by the Negev Brigade in Operation Barak. The people were expelled and became refugees in what is now called the Gaza Strip. The village was destroyed. In 1951 Israel built the settlement of Sderot on village land and moved in foreign settlers.

Should the people of Najd have the right to reclaim the land that was stolen from them in this act of aggression?

Anyone?

This is the key to the conflict. Until this is resolved, there will be no peace.

Arabs readily concede their resistance to Israel is theological.

You really are uneducated and know less than zero about the matter.

 

[editec]

Why did the USA support England against Germany in World War One?

I think we all know the answer to that, right?

Well...that's mostly the same reason we support Isreal.

Because enough politically powerful Americans support the continued existence of Israel.

Were it put up for public referendum, I doubt Israel would get the public support it currently gets.

Doesn't matter though.

We are not a democracy, we are shamocractic Republic.

And those with REAL power DO support Isreal.

 

[Marc39]

Why did the USA support England against Germany in World War One?

I think we all know the answer to that, right?

Well...that's mostly the same reason we support Isreal.

Because enough politically powerful Americans support the continued existence of Israel.

Were it put up for public referendum, I doubt Israel would get the public support it currently gets.

Doesn't matter though.

We are not a democracy, we are shamocractic Republic.

And those with REAL power DO support Isreal.

You're an idiot.

America supports Israel because Israel is a democracy--the only democracy in the Middle East--that is a close American ally and important strategic and defensive asset that embraces American values and principles.

The majority of Americans view Israel as one of their 5 favorite countries.

Your head is in your rectum.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Anyone?

This is the key to the conflict. Until this is resolved, there will be no peace.

Without having to start an argument why your founding assumption is incorrect what ever they want: Compensation and settling in the Palestinian Authority territory OR back to "their homes" live in Israel under the Israeli law. If they choose the second choice there will be no need for a Palestinian state because all who claim they deserve an independent state will return to live in Israel.

This is much more then what Arab countries give/offer to the Jews that forced to leave.

I don't know what you mean by my "founding assumption" being incorrect. It is a matter of history that is agreed by Israel and Palestine.

According to Benny Morris, the villagers of Najd were "driven out" by soldiers from the Negev Brigade on 12–13 May, during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[5]

The Israeli city of Sderot was founded in 1951 on village land, to the south of the village,[9] while Or HaNer was founded in 1957 also on village land, to the northeast.[9]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, Benny Morris should know that this attack happened before the start of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. This was not a "defensive" attack. It was an unprovoked attack by Israel's military against a civilian population.

International law states: It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Not only do the people of Najd have rights to this land, Israel cannot claim this land to be part of Israel. Najd is inside Palestine's defined borders but it is not inside any Israeli border.

The people of Najd have never had the choice of compensation or returning home. Israel denies the responsibility of their expulsion and denies them the right to return to their homes.

The Palestinians have consistently stated that any peace agreement be based on international law and UN resolutions. Israel has always rejected this offer.

 

[Marc39]

This is the key to the conflict. Until this is resolved, there will be no peace.

Without having to start an argument why your founding assumption is incorrect what ever they want: Compensation and settling in the Palestinian Authority territory OR back to "their homes" live in Israel under the Israeli law. If they choose the second choice there will be no need for a Palestinian state because all who claim they deserve an independent state will return to live in Israel.

This is much more then what Arab countries give/offer to the Jews that forced to leave.

I don't know what you mean by my "founding assumption" being incorrect. It is a matter of history that is agreed by Israel and Palestine.

According to Benny Morris, the villagers of Najd were "driven out" by soldiers from the Negev Brigade on 12–13 May, during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[5]

The Israeli city of Sderot was founded in 1951 on village land, to the south of the village,[9] while Or HaNer was founded in 1957 also on village land, to the northeast.[9]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, Benny Morris should know that this attack happened before the start of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. This was not a "defensive" attack. It was an unprovoked attack by Israel's military against a civilian population.

International law states: It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Not only do the people of Najd have rights to this land, Israel cannot claim this land to be part of Israel. Najd is inside Palestine's defined borders but it is not inside any Israeli border.

The people of Najd have never had the choice of compensation or returning home. Israel denies the responsibility of their expulsion and denies them the right to return to their homes.

The Palestinians have consistently stated that any peace agreement be based on international law and UN resolutions. Israel has always rejected this offer.

More delusions, mental patient?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Without having to start an argument why your founding assumption is incorrect what ever they want: Compensation and settling in the Palestinian Authority territory OR back to "their homes" live in Israel under the Israeli law. If they choose the second choice there will be no need for a Palestinian state because all who claim they deserve an independent state will return to live in Israel.

This is much more then what Arab countries give/offer to the Jews that forced to leave.

I don't know what you mean by my "founding assumption" being incorrect. It is a matter of history that is agreed by Israel and Palestine.

According to Benny Morris, the villagers of Najd were "driven out" by soldiers from the Negev Brigade on 12–13 May, during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[5]

The Israeli city of Sderot was founded in 1951 on village land, to the south of the village,[9] while Or HaNer was founded in 1957 also on village land, to the northeast.[9]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, Benny Morris should know that this attack happened before the start of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. This was not a "defensive" attack. It was an unprovoked attack by Israel's military against a civilian population.

International law states: It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Not only do the people of Najd have rights to this land, Israel cannot claim this land to be part of Israel. Najd is inside Palestine's defined borders but it is not inside any Israeli border.

The people of Najd have never had the choice of compensation or returning home. Israel denies the responsibility of their expulsion and denies them the right to return to their homes.

The Palestinians have consistently stated that any peace agreement be based on international law and UN resolutions. Israel has always rejected this offer.

More delusions, mental patient?

You always say something stupid when you cannot prove me wrong.

 

[Marc39]

I don't know what you mean by my "founding assumption" being incorrect. It is a matter of history that is agreed by Israel and Palestine.



Of course, Benny Morris should know that this attack happened before the start of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. This was not a "defensive" attack. It was an unprovoked attack by Israel's military against a civilian population.

International law states: It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Not only do the people of Najd have rights to this land, Israel cannot claim this land to be part of Israel. Najd is inside Palestine's defined borders but it is not inside any Israeli border.

The people of Najd have never had the choice of compensation or returning home. Israel denies the responsibility of their expulsion and denies them the right to return to their homes.

The Palestinians have consistently stated that any peace agreement be based on international law and UN resolutions. Israel has always rejected this offer.

More delusions, mental patient?

You always say something stupid when you cannot prove me wrong.

But, you're uneducated and mentally ill, as everyone knows, so you wouldn't know

 

[P F Tinmore]

More delusions, mental patient?

You always say something stupid when you cannot prove me wrong.

But, you're uneducated and mentally ill, as everyone knows, so you wouldn't know

You are the one who cannot prove me wrong.

 

[Marc39]

You always say something stupid when you cannot prove me wrong.

But, you're uneducated and mentally ill, as everyone knows, so you wouldn't know

You are the one who cannot prove me wrong.

But, you're uneducated and mentally ill, as everyone knows, thus, you are wrong.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But, you're uneducated and mentally ill, as everyone knows, so you wouldn't know

You are the one who cannot prove me wrong.

But, you're uneducated and mentally ill, as everyone knows, thus, you are wrong.

OK, Mr. Scholar.

 

[Liberty]

Why do patriotic Americans support Zionist extremists?

Should the American taxpayer be compelled to send billions in welfare payments to the state of Israel? Couldn't this money be spent here in the U.S.，or better yet used to reduce our enormous deficit?

In the 1997 fiscal year, for example, Israel received $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, at least $525 million from other U.S. budgets, and $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the 1997 total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion. That’s $15,068,493 per day, 365 days a year.

quote: As part of the aid, this year Israel will receive $2.5 billion, in 2010 - $2.775 billion, and in 2011 the sum will reach $3 billion. In total, the security aid Tel Aviv is slated to receive from Washington stands at some $30 billion until 2019.

1) Israel has not shown gratitude. For example, Israel has spied on us and re-exported weapons to America's adversary China.

quote: Israel has illegally re-exported advanced US defense technology to China. The problem was first recognized in 1992 when the State Department's inspector general reported that there was "overwhelming" evidence of a "systematic and growing pattern" of transfers. Israel has been the primary supplier of advanced defense technology to China since 1989.

2) Israel does not occupy the moral high ground.

quote: We condemn Israel's assault on Gaza. As of today , more than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli assault, including at least 335 children and many more civilians. Nearly 5,000 have been wounded, many paralyzed for life. Tens of thousands have fled their homes - but Gaza is entirely sealed off, so there is nowhere to hide, no safe haven for civilians

3) The American people derive no benefit from their "investment". Unless you consider the lasting enmity of millions living the Middle East (and elsewhere) a benefit.

4) Israel's extremism endangers American troops according to General Petraeus and Admiral Mullen.

quote from Petraeus: "The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel, Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the [region] and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world.

Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support."

1. Israel is our only true ally in the middle east, and the only one considered to be a modern free society in the region.

2. They are free society, they occupy more moral ground than any other entity in the region.

3. Who the fuck cares what a bunch of backwater women hating archaic idiots think about a country that believes in freedom? I sure as shit don't give a fuck.

4. Women's rights and voting = EXTREMISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jump over off topic posts.

This is the key to the conflict. Until this is resolved, there will be no peace.

Without having to start an argument why your founding assumption is incorrect what ever they want: Compensation and settling in the Palestinian Authority territory OR back to "their homes" live in Israel under the Israeli law. If they choose the second choice there will be no need for a Palestinian state because all who claim they deserve an independent state will return to live in Israel.

This is much more then what Arab countries give/offer to the Jews that forced to leave.

I don't know what you mean by my "founding assumption" being incorrect. It is a matter of history that is agreed by Israel and Palestine.

According to Benny Morris, the villagers of Najd were "driven out" by soldiers from the Negev Brigade on 12–13 May, during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[5]

The Israeli city of Sderot was founded in 1951 on village land, to the south of the village,[9] while Or HaNer was founded in 1957 also on village land, to the northeast.[9]

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, Benny Morris should know that this attack happened before the start of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. This was not a "defensive" attack. It was an unprovoked attack by Israel's military against a civilian population.

International law states: It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Not only do the people of Najd have rights to this land, Israel cannot claim this land to be part of Israel. Najd is inside Palestine's defined borders but it is not inside any Israeli border.

The people of Najd have never had the choice of compensation or returning home. Israel denies the responsibility of their expulsion and denies them the right to return to their homes.

The Palestinians have consistently stated that any peace agreement be based on international law and UN resolutions. Israel has always rejected this offer.

 

[Marc39]

International law states: It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Israel seized land in a defensive war, not an offensive war.
There is no rule of law forcing Israel to forfeit one inch of land.

The UN resolved that Israel was not the aggressor in the '67 war.

Open a law book, not your comic books.

And, take your schizophrenia medication.