Why do patriotic Americans support Zionism?

[Shai]

Children who experience war is a sad thing, war is something that no child should experience no matter where in the world he lives and all children count. the African childrens, the Americans children,the Israeli children the Arabs children.
The sad reality is that children live the life their parents provide them and its the parents who are directly responsible for the quality of their children's lives.
Parents who choose the path of violence put the violence in their children's lives. How many people here who justify the Hamas were willing to put their minor children in danger? ?
Regardless of who is right and who this country belongs to. Only the residents of Gaza the Hamas supporters put their children in the front line. not Israel, not Fatha, not Iran, even the Nazis did not do that!!
Is the ultimate goal justifies the means? What's more important to you then your own children's lives?
The Hamas government is a government established after the democratic elections which mean that the Gaza residents who elected them are responsible for their actions.
When you chose a leader who lived in Damascus and sends his soldiers to hids behind civilians and your children while his targets are also civilians and children you are equally responsible for the results.

 

[Shogun]

Never again means I speak out against genocide everywhere, not just the ones that are politically expedient.

Great Windbag. Then I am sure you will condemn the attacks on the Palestinians. Or when you say "Never Again" don't they count?

Gotta love photoshop.

I'm sure you do, JEW!

 

[Shogun]

CMike, I've provided links. Can you read?

Info on American $$$$ flowing to Israel: The Cost of Israel to the American People by Richard Curtiss

Info on Israel pushing for war with Iraq: The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy - by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
Check out page 5.

I don't really care to read your bullshit links.

Prove the allegations you made. Such as we invaded Iraq because of AIPAC.

Prove any of the idiotic bullshit you have been posting. I am not going to read your propoganda. All you need is one paragraph from a legitimate source, that proves your point. Easy.

so.. you don't care to read links but you demand evidence... sounds like YOU just don't want to know better than you already believe, jew.

but hey.. post another link from the jewish virtual library and cry about "legitimate" sources.

 

[Shogun]

Never
Again​

Do these Palestinian children count, or is it only Jewish lives that matter?

How do you know they are palestinian children? How do you know what happened to them?

yes.. CLEARLY shelling a people with cluster bombs cause kids to die from.. uh... FALLING DOWN! thats it, THEY PROBABLY JUST FELL DOWN!

 

[Shogun]

Children who experience war is a sad thing, war is something that no child should experience no matter where in the world he lives and all children count. the African childrens, the Americans children,the Israeli children the Arabs children.
The sad reality is that children live the life their parents provide them and its the parents who are directly responsible for the quality of their children's lives.
Parents who choose the path of violence put the violence in their children's lives. How many people here who justify the Hamas were willing to put their minor children in danger? ?
Regardless of who is right and who this country belongs to. Only the residents of Gaza the Hamas supporters put their children in the front line. not Israel, not Fatha, not Iran, even the Nazis did not do that!!
Is the ultimate goal justifies the means? What's more important to you then your own children's lives?
The Hamas government is a government established after the democratic elections which mean that the Gaza residents who elected them are responsible for their actions.
When you chose a leader who lived in Damascus and sends his soldiers to hids behind civilians and your children while his targets are also civilians and children you are equally responsible for the results.

...says a jew who doesn't mind jewish exclusivity in an israel carved from former pali land...


take your fucking shepherd speeches back to the synagogue from when they were crafted to rationalize muslim death while polishing the turd of zionist racism. We've literally seen examples of jews from israel hide behind children.. yet you blather on with the same ole bumper sticker canard. Typical zionist jew, really.


Child's testimony incriminates soldiers

Indictments issued Thursday against two soldiers who fought in Operation Cast Lead for allegedly forcing child to open bags suspected of being booby trapped. Ynet reveals full testimony of child, Majd that lays out alleged events of that day. The war through the eyes of a nine-year-old boy

Child's testimony incriminates soldiers - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[P F Tinmore]

Children who experience war is a sad thing, war is something that no child should experience no matter where in the world he lives and all children count. the African childrens, the Americans children,the Israeli children the Arabs children.
The sad reality is that children live the life their parents provide them and its the parents who are directly responsible for the quality of their children's lives.
Parents who choose the path of violence put the violence in their children's lives. How many people here who justify the Hamas were willing to put their minor children in danger? ?
Regardless of who is right and who this country belongs to. Only the residents of Gaza the Hamas supporters put their children in the front line. not Israel, not Fatha, not Iran, even the Nazis did not do that!!
Is the ultimate goal justifies the means? What's more important to you then your own children's lives?
The Hamas government is a government established after the democratic elections which mean that the Gaza residents who elected them are responsible for their actions.
When you chose a leader who lived in Damascus and sends his soldiers to hids behind civilians and your children while his targets are also civilians and children you are equally responsible for the results.

Nice list of standard Israeli propaganda. Do you have any independent sources to back that up?

 

[Thunderbird]

Cmike the caption that goes with the picture of those four dead children reads: The battered bodies of four Palestinian children killed by Israeli fire lay at a morgue in Beit Lahia, Gaza. The four children, aged one to five, and their mother were killed during Israeli military operations.

link: Entries for May 2008, Norbert Bugeja

Parents who choose the path of violence put the violence in their children's lives.

Shai, really disgusting, hateful post. Are you really trying to blame the Palestinians because Israel bombs them? I believe that's called blaming the victim. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to blame the people dropping the bombs? The Palestinians fight back the best they can against Israeli militarism, but what chance do they have against the powerful weapons supplied by the U.S. government? The children being killed are hardly on the front lines - they are probably cowering in a basement somewhere.

 

[Thunderbird]

quote: First is the financial cost of Israel to U.S. taxpayers. Between 1949 and 1998, the U.S. gave to Israel, with a self-declared population of 5.8 million people, more foreign aid than it gave to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, all of the countries of Latin America, and all of the countries of the Caribbean combined – with a total population of 1,054,000,000 people.

In the 1997 fiscal year, for example, Israel received $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, at least $525 million from other U.S. budgets, and $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the 1997 total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion. That’s $15,068,493 per day, 365 days a year.

If you add its foreign aid grants and loans, plus the approximate totals of grants to Israel from other parts of the U.S. federal budget, Israel has received since 1949 a grand total of $84.8 billion, excluding the $10 billion in U.S. government loan guarantees it has drawn to date.

And if you calculate what the U.S. has had to pay in interest to borrow this money to give to Israel, the cost of Israel to U.S. taxpayers rises to $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation.

Put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis had received from the U.S. government by October 31, 1997, cost American taxpayers $23,241 per Israeli. That’s $116,205 for every Israeli family of five.

link: The Cost of Israel to the American People by Richard Curtiss

 

[Thunderbird]

quote: Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the U.S. decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was a critical element. Some Americans believe that this was a "war for oil," but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. According to Philip Zelikow, a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (2001-2003), executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now Counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the "real threat" from Iraq was not a threat to the United States.139 The "unstated threat" was the "threat against Israel," Zelikow told a University of Virginia audience in September 2002, noting further that "the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."


On August 16, 2002, eleven days before Vice President Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hard-line speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that "Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein."140 By this point, according to Sharon, strategic coordination between Israel and the U.S. had reached "unprecedented dimensions," and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programs.141 As one retired Israeli general later put it, "Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non- conventional capabilities."142


Israeli leaders were deeply distressed when President Bush decided to seek U.N. Security Council authorization for war in September, and even more worried when Saddam agreed to let U.N. inspectors back into Iraq, because these developments seemed to reduce the likelihood of war. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told reporters in September 2002 that "the campaign against Saddam Hussein is a must. Inspections and inspectors are good for decent people, but dishonest people can overcome easily inspections and inspectors."143


At the same time, former Prime Minister Ehud Barak wrote a New York Times op-ed warning that "the greatest risk now lies in inaction."144 His predecessor, Benjamin Netanyahu, published a similar piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled "The Case for Toppling Saddam."145 Netanyahu declared, "Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do," adding that "I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre-emptive strike against Saddam’s regime." Or as Ha’aretz reported in February 2003: "The [Israeli] military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq."146


But as Netanyahu suggests, the desire for war was not confined to Israel’s leaders. Apart from Kuwait, which Saddam conquered in 1990, Israel was the only country in the world where both the politicians and the public enthusiastically favored war.147 As journalist Gideon Levy observed at the time, "Israel is the only country in the West whose leaders support the war unreservedly and where no alternative opinion is voiced."148 In fact, Israelis were so gung-ho for war that their allies in America told them to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest it look like the war was for Israel.149

The Lobby and the Iraq War


Within the United States, the main driving force behind the Iraq war was a small band of neoconservatives, many with close ties to Israel’s Likud Party.150 In addition, key leaders of the Lobby’s major organizations lent their voices to the campaign for war.151 According to the Forward, "As President Bush attempted to sell the . . . war in Iraq, America’s most important Jewish organizations rallied as one to his defense. In statement after statement community leaders stressed the need to rid the world of Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction."152 The editorial goes on to say that "concern for Israel’s safety rightfully factored into the deliberations of the main Jewish groups."

link: The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy - by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt

 

[Thunderbird]

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Israeli historian Benny Morris：

According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?

"About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg."

According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?

"Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field - they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village - she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.

"The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.

"That can't be chance. It's a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres."

What you are telling me here, as though by the way, is that in Operation Hiram there was a comprehensive and explicit expulsion order. Is that right?

"Yes. One of the revelations in the book is that on October 31, 1948, the commander of the Northern Front, Moshe Carmel, issued an order in writing to his units to expedite the removal of the Arab population. Carmel took this action immediately after a visit by Ben-Gurion to the Northern Command in Nazareth. There is no doubt in my mind that this order originated with Ben-Gurion. Just as the expulsion order for the city of Lod, which was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, was issued immediately after Ben-Gurion visited the headquarters of Operation Dani [July 1948]."

link: Deir Yassin: Survival of the Fittest (an interview with Historian Benny Morris)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Israeli historian Benny Morris：

According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?

"About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg."

According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?

"Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field - they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village - she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.

"The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.

"That can't be chance. It's a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres."

What you are telling me here, as though by the way, is that in Operation Hiram there was a comprehensive and explicit expulsion order. Is that right?

"Yes. One of the revelations in the book is that on October 31, 1948, the commander of the Northern Front, Moshe Carmel, issued an order in writing to his units to expedite the removal of the Arab population. Carmel took this action immediately after a visit by Ben-Gurion to the Northern Command in Nazareth. There is no doubt in my mind that this order originated with Ben-Gurion. Just as the expulsion order for the city of Lod, which was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, was issued immediately after Ben-Gurion visited the headquarters of Operation Dani [July 1948]."

link: Deir Yassin: Survival of the Fittest (an interview with Historian Benny Morris)

In Israel this is called a "defensive" war.

 

[Thunderbird]

Some more purely defensive actions Tinmore. Notice that many of these acts of terrorism from the Irgun predate the 1948 war. So much for the myth that the Arabs started the fighting.

1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. [11]
1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday") [12][13]
1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. [13]
1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa [13]
1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. [13]
1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. [13]
1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. [13]
1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. [13]
1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. [13]
1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [14]
1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. [13]
1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. [13][15]
1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][16]
1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. [13]
1938, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. [17]
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. [13]
1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. [13][18]
1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing [13]
1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][19]
1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period. [13][20]
1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. [13]
1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][21]
1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. [13]
1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. [13]
1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. [13]
1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. [13]
1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations [22]
1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem. [22]
1945, December 27 7 British policemen killed during the bombing of British Intelligence offices in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv [23]
1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, most ... staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian. [24][25]
1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station. [26]
1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [27]
1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters. [28]
1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion. [29]
1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp. [29]
1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged. [30]
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [28]
1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station. [28]
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [31]
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [32]
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [33]
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [33]
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudieh. [33]
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [34]
1947, December 20 6 Arabs killed, dozens wounded by bomb at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre. [35]
1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [28][36]
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [37]
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [38]
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [39][40]
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [41]
1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters. [42][43][44][45][46]
Between 1937-1948 During 11 years of attacks, Hundreds of Palestinian civilians, over 20 British officers and over 20 Jewish civilians were killed in total by the Irgun

link: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Shai]

Cmike the caption that goes with the picture of those four dead children reads: The battered bodies of four Palestinian children killed by Israeli fire lay at a morgue in Beit Lahia, Gaza. The four children, aged one to five, and their mother were killed during Israeli military operations.

link: Entries for May 2008, Norbert Bugeja

Parents who choose the path of violence put the violence in their children's lives.

Shai, really disgusting, hateful post. Are you really trying to blame the Palestinians because Israel bombs them? I believe that's called blaming the victim. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to blame the people dropping the bombs? The Palestinians fight back the best they can against Israeli militarism, but what chance do they have against the powerful weapons supplied by the U.S. government? The children being killed are hardly on the front lines - they are probably cowering in a basement somewhere.

Is that what cowering in a basmenet mean?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE]YouTube - Hamas using children as human shield[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPU4UN03t7E[/ame]

Israel gave them 15 minutes worning and instead of sending the children and civilians to the shelters they send them to the roof

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBYtij4Q7sE]YouTube - Human Shields - Hamas in action[/ame]


If those were your children will you send then to the roof or to the selter? If those were your children will you let someone use them like that?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y[/ame]


Parents who choose the path of violence put the violence in their children's lives

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y[/ame]

 

[Jack Fate]

Some more purely defensive actions Tinmore. Notice that many of these acts of terrorism from the Irgun predate the 1948 war. So much for the myth that the Arabs started the fighting.

1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. [11]
1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday") [12][13]
1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. [13]
1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa [13]
1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. [13]
1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. [13]
1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. [13]
1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. [13]
1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. [13]
1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [14]
1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. [13]
1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. [13][15]
1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [13]
1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][16]
1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. [13]
1938, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. [17]
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. [13]
1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. [13][18]
1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing [13]
1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][19]
1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period. [13][20]
1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. [13]
1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][21]
1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. [13]
1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. [13]
1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. [13]
1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. [13]
1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. [13]
1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations [22]
1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem. [22]
1945, December 27 7 British policemen killed during the bombing of British Intelligence offices in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv [23]
1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, most ... staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian. [24][25]
1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station. [26]
1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [27]
1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters. [28]
1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion. [29]
1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp. [29]
1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged. [30]
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [28]
1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station. [28]
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [31]
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [32]
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [33]
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [33]
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudieh. [33]
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [34]
1947, December 20 6 Arabs killed, dozens wounded by bomb at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre. [35]
1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [28][36]
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [37]
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [38]
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [39][40]
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [41]
1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters. [42][43][44][45][46]
Between 1937-1948 During 11 years of attacks, Hundreds of Palestinian civilians, over 20 British officers and over 20 Jewish civilians were killed in total by the Irgun

link: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia is not considered a scholarly site since it can be edited by anyone.

 

[Thunderbird]

Shai too bad you've been fooled by the Israeli propaganda line. I can't see You Tube now - it is banned in China where I am living - so I can't comment on the videos. Do you actually believe that Hamas routinely puts their children at risk?

quote: Nearly 70 years ago, in the course of the Second World War, a heinous crime was committed in the city of Leningrad. For more than a thousand days, a gang of extremists called "the Red Army" held the millions of the town's inhabitants hostage and provoked retaliation from the German Wehrmacht from inside the population centres.

The Germans had no alternative but to bomb and shell the population and to impose a total blockade, which caused the death of hundreds of thousands.

Some time before that, a similar crime was committed in England. The Churchill gang hid among the population of London, misusing the millions of citizens as a human shield. The Germans were compelled to send their Luftwaffe and reluctantly reduce the city to ruins. They called it the Blitz.

This is the description that would now appear in the history books - if the Germans had won the war.

Absurd? No more than the daily descriptions in Israeli media, which are being repeated ad nauseam: the Hamas "terrorists" use the inhabitants of Gaza as "hostages" and exploit the women and children as "human shields", they leave Israel no alternative but to carry out massive bombardments, in which, to Israel's deep sorrow, thousands of women, children and unarmed men are killed and injured.

In this war, as in any modern war, propaganda plays a major role. Almost all the Western media initially repeated the official Israeli propaganda line. They almost entirely ignored the Palestinian side of the story, not to mention the daily demonstrations of the Israeli peace camp. The rationale of the Israeli government ("The state must defend its citizens against the Qassam rockets") has been accepted as the whole truth. The view from the other side, that the Qassams are a retaliation for the siege that starves the one and a half million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, was not mentioned at all.

Only when the horrible scenes from Gaza started to appear on Western TV screens, did world public opinion gradually begin to change.

War - every war - is the realm of lies. Whether called propaganda or psychological warfare, everybody accepts that it is right to lie for one's country. Anyone who speaks the truth runs the risk of being branded a traitor. The trouble is that propaganda is most convincing for the propagandist himself. And after you convince yourself that a lie is the truth and falsification reality, you can no longer make rational decisions.

Falsification

An example of this process surrounds the most shocking atrocity of this war so far: the shelling of the UN Fakhura school in Jabaliya refugee camp.

Immediately after the incident became known throughout the world, the army "revealed" that Hamas fighters had been firing mortars from near the school entrance. As proof they released an aerial photo which indeed showed the school and the mortar. But within a short time the official army liar had to admit that the photo was more than a year old. In brief: a falsification.
Later the official liar claimed that "our soldiers were shot at from inside the school". Barely a day passed before the army had to admit to UN personnel that that was a lie, too. Nobody had shot from inside the school, no Hamas fighters were inside the school, which was full of terrified refugees.

But the admission made hardly any difference anymore. By that time, the Israeli public was completely convinced that "they shot from inside the school", and TV announcers stated this as a simple fact.

So it went with the other atrocities. Every baby metamorphosed, in the act of dying, into a Hamas "terrorist". Every bombed mosque instantly became a Hamas base, every apartment building an arms cache, every school a terror command post, every civilian government building a "symbol of Hamas rule". Thus the Israeli army retained its purity as the "most moral army in the world".

link: gulfnews : Israel's war of deceit, lies and propaganda

 

[Thunderbird]

Jack Fate if you don't like Wikipedia consult any other source: they will all agree that Irgun committed terrorist acts.

Here's another source: Hamas: A Pale Image of the Jewish Irgun And Lehi Gangs

 

[Shai]

Shai too bad you've been fooled by the Israeli propaganda line. I can't see You Tube now - it is banned in China where I am living - so I can't comment on the videos. Do you actually believe that Hamas routinely puts their children at risk? ]

Sadly i do and if you could see the video you'd see that they proudly admit that but i dont need to video i see that in my own eyes.

Terrorist Hamas admits it uses human shields
I was noticing with no exceptions, people in here support leftwing cause at same time supporting religious groups who hate America, Israel etc. I was just curious why, especially since Buddha would not support radical Muslim groups who openly admit using women and children as human shields. UN is also a horrible organization that has aacted as a speaking platform for terrorist.
A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council, takes pride in the fact that women and children are used as human shield in fighting Israel. He describes it as part of the "Death Industry" at which they excel, and explains that the Palestinians "desire death" the same way Israelis "desire life".

The following is the full text:
For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters againset the Zionist bombing machine, as they were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire Life.

Terrorist Hamas admits it uses human shields | NowPublic News Coverage

 

[P F Tinmore]

Shai,

I am curious about what you would consider a just solution for the people of Najd. Najd was a Palestine village with a population of about 700 people. It was a small farm community with a history that went back hundreds of years.

Before the beginning of the 1948 war Najd was attacked by the Negev Brigade in Operation Barak. The people were expelled and became refugees in what is now called the Gaza Strip. The village was destroyed. In 1951 Israel built the settlement of Sderot on village land and moved in foreign settlers.

Should the people of Najd have the right to reclaim the land that was stolen from them in this act of aggression?

 

[Jack Fate]

Jack Fate if you don't like Wikipedia consult any other source: they will all agree that Irgun committed terrorist acts.

Here's another source: Hamas: A Pale Image of the Jewish Irgun And Lehi Gangs

Are you equating Hamas with the Irgun to excuse their murder?

 

[Care4all]

Why do patriotic Americans support Zionist extremists?

Should the American taxpayer be compelled to send billions in welfare payments to the state of Israel? Couldn't this money be spent here in the U.S.，or better yet used to reduce our enormous deficit?

In the 1997 fiscal year, for example, Israel received $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, at least $525 million from other U.S. budgets, and $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the 1997 total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion. That’s $15,068,493 per day, 365 days a year.

quote: As part of the aid, this year Israel will receive $2.5 billion, in 2010 - $2.775 billion, and in 2011 the sum will reach $3 billion. In total, the security aid Tel Aviv is slated to receive from Washington stands at some $30 billion until 2019.

1) Israel has not shown gratitude. For example, Israel has spied on us and re-exported weapons to America's adversary China.

quote: Israel has illegally re-exported advanced US defense technology to China. The problem was first recognized in 1992 when the State Department's inspector general reported that there was "overwhelming" evidence of a "systematic and growing pattern" of transfers. Israel has been the primary supplier of advanced defense technology to China since 1989.

2) Israel does not occupy the moral high ground.

quote: We condemn Israel's assault on Gaza. As of today , more than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli assault, including at least 335 children and many more civilians. Nearly 5,000 have been wounded, many paralyzed for life. Tens of thousands have fled their homes - but Gaza is entirely sealed off, so there is nowhere to hide, no safe haven for civilians

3) The American people derive no benefit from their "investment". Unless you consider the lasting enmity of millions living the Middle East (and elsewhere) a benefit.

4) Israel's extremism endangers American troops according to General Petraeus and Admiral Mullen.

quote from Petraeus: "The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel, Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the [region] and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world.

Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support."

I would say there are some in America that support Zionism for religious reasons.

But the bottom line with why the USA gvt supports Israel is because of OIL in the middle east....Israel is a strategic location, and a Democracy...

the enemy of my enemy, is my friend type of thing....imho.