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Little more than fifty years ago it was still illegal in some states to inter marry.
Loving v. Virginia
the Civil Rights Act was not passed until 1964
1964 Civil Rights Act
Don't think that there were no long lasting social and economic repercussions to these legally sanctioned discriminatory laws.
This wasn't a hundred years ago, but a mere generation. That generation is still alive. The economic consequences imposed on one generation impacts the economic possibilities of the next.
You know I think you're one of the smartest women I know. So I want you to really think about this:
If your parents were black, do you think your chances would be better than they were? Would you blame them, knowing what you know as a white woman, or would you think structural inequity had something to do with it?
Agreed. That generation is still alive. And that generation worked hard. That generation wanted an education. That generation was so damn proud they didn't want hand outs all they wanted fairness. And i agree.
That generation also thinks that THIS generation is a bunch of idiots who have lost their way in everything they fought so hard for.
Yes if my ancestors were black i would be much better off. Every door of opportunity would have been open to me WIDER then just being white. My chances for a college scholarship is grater if i mark down aferican American. My chances at a city or government job is much greater if i mark down aferican American.
But your possibility of QUALIFYING for any of that is much, much less. The possibility of your parents being wealthy enough to keep you in HS (and not needing you to work to support the household) would have been lower, the chances that ANY primary school you attended had the latest books and technologies would be lower. The chances that you would have an accredited teacher would have been almost nil. The chances that the after school programs, were there any, would lead to a career OR academic path would also be lower. The chances the address you posted on your first resume would not have gotten it to the round file would have been lower. The chances of you being able to attend college full time would also be lower, as would your chances at successful completion, simply because you would also have to be working full time.
Truly, you MUST try to put yourself in others shoes, rather than putting another into yours to really understand our differences, similarities, and possibilities; and also to truly understand the limits to human potential imposed by the inequities of the not so distant past.
This is beneath you, Barb.
Let's keep this honest.
If there is the tiniest indication of what you suggest, it is way,way, more than out weighed by quotas, preferences and anti-white male bias.
As for a 'tint' of racism, as in your final phrase, surely you realize the intent of the use of the phrase 'people of color.' It means "everyone against you, whitey."
I never USED the phrase, "people of color," or "tint of racism." Perhaps you should go back through the thread.
And those who have gotten to where they are, in positions of power and influence, BECAUSE of affirmative action to then advocate the pulling up of the ladder (the end to the very programs that helped them get where they sit) does and has occurred with the voices of the very people Lone cited. That some programs have survived is no thanks to those who advocated against them. Pointing out facts will never be "beneath me." Unpopular perhaps, and oh well.
I used the phrases people of color and tint of racism, as cultural equivalents of your use of "Possibly padlocking the door to the bathroom at a beer bash..."
Thought you would see that.
Now, as for affirmative action...are you prepared to respond to the question of how long you would apply these racist programs?
1. Have you researched the effects?
a. Thomas Sowell studied the results of such policies around the world, and found the following: 1) temporary programs expand and persist, 2) there is no way to assure that benefits go to the less fortunate members of designated groups, 3) polarizations increase vis-a-vis non-favored groups, and 4) increase of fraudulent claims of belonging designated groups. Thomas Sowell, Preferential Politics: An International Perspective, p. 15-16
b. Affirmative action was quickly expanded to women, Hispanics, Asians, Aleuts, Pacific Islanders, American Indians. How does one accommodate perks for those who are recent immigrants, who have suffered no such discrimination?
c. Applying affirmative action to medical education means that the liberal ideology is more important than the risk of producing incompetent physicians. Braverman and Anziska, Challenges to Science and Authority in Contemporary Medical Education, Academic Questions, Summer 1994, p. 14 SpringerLink - Journal Article
Is there no safety exception for affirmative action?
d. The mortgage meltdown has the fingerprints of this kind of thinking all over it. The FHAs urban-loan debacle of the 1960s and early seventies, its most ruinous lending mistake yet: politicians in both parties argued that extending the American dream of homeownership to poor and to immigrants would stabilize urban communities and prevent further violence. So in 1968, the federal government passed a law giving poor families FHA-insured loans that required down payments of as little as $250. Not urban uplift but urban nightmare followed. In the end, the government absorbed an estimated $1.4 billion in loss nationwide.
Obsessive Housing Disorder by Steven Malanga, City Journal Spring 2009
2. The irony of claims of discrimination is that there is evidence that such occurs far more frequently in industries and businesses that are well regulated rather than those in which competition and rivalry predominates; the employer who hires the best people has the competitive advantage. As Thomas Sowell states, Prejudice is free but discrimination has costs. Sowell, Preferential Politics: An International Perspective, p. 22.
a. Discrimination against Jews was practiced far more often in regulated industries than in competitive ones, discrimination being costless where the firm was shielded from competition by regulators. See Becker, The Economics of Discrimination.
3. How can you accomodated racialism of affirmative action with the 1964 Civil Rights Act which outlawed private discrimination in employment and public accommodations?
1. One need not be too prescient to realize that race relations in America could stand a bit of improvement.
a. Considering Brown vs. Board of Education, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, affirmative action, etc., how to explain this?
2. The problem is complex, as are the answers. Why is it that so many blacks distrust the country, and whites in particular? And what evidence that they feel this way? Consider the following
a. We learned too well during the upheavals of that decade [the Sixties] how to be Americas pre-eminent victims. Glenn Loury, "Black Political Culture after the Sixties," in Second Thoughts: Former Radicals Look Back at the Sixties, P. Collier and D. Horowitz, eds., p. 143
b. The activist Dick Gregory, a comedian who long ago gave up laughs for conspiracy theories, also blames King's death on a government plot, as he does the mysterious murder of twenty-eight blacks in Atlanta in 1979-81 (which he ascribes to government scientists' taking the tips of their penises to use in a serum for countering cancer). Conspiracy Theories Everywhere - Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From - by Daniel Pipes
c. Jesse Jackson claimed that the murders were part of a nationwide racial conspiracy and claimed it was open season on black people. 40. The Atlanta Murders No matter that the killer turned out to be a black man.
d. The disproportionate incidence of AIDS and drug use among blacks prompts prominent figures to endorse a conspiracy theory that the U.S. government is behind these epidemics. The comedian Bill Cosby asserts that AIDS was "started by human beings to get after certain people they don't like." The movie director Spike Lee announced (in an advertisement for the Benetton clothing shops, of all places) that "AIDS is a government-engineered disease." On late-night television, rap singer Kool Moe Dee portrayed AIDS as a genocidal plot against blacks, with no dissent from host Arsenio Hall. A mass-circulation magazine for blacks ran as its cover story, "AIDS: Is It Genocide?" Steven Cokely, a well-known former Chicago municipal official, gave the plot an antisemitic twist, telling of Jewish doctors who injected black babies with AIDS as part of a plot to take over the world. Conspiracy Theories Everywhere - Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From - by Daniel Pipes
e. Can the overwhelming support of the President by his black constituents, at a time when his polls are falling everywhere else, a kind of racism?
Why, at a time when racism is arguably at its lowest ebb, has black resentment actually grown?
White marginalized males who have not achieved what they believe was their due are often afraid of successful minorities, that somehow those successes have taken away their opportunities. The losers need to look at their own failings.
Blacks are very violent.If whites are superior to blacks then why are some of them so threatened by blacks?
1. One need not be too prescient to realize that race relations in America could stand a bit of improvement.
a. Considering Brown vs. Board of Education, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, affirmative action, etc., how to explain this?
2. The problem is complex, as are the answers. Why is it that so many blacks distrust the country, and whites in particular? And what evidence that they feel this way? Consider the following
a. We learned too well during the upheavals of that decade [the Sixties] how to be Americas pre-eminent victims. Glenn Loury, "Black Political Culture after the Sixties," in Second Thoughts: Former Radicals Look Back at the Sixties, P. Collier and D. Horowitz, eds., p. 143
b. The activist Dick Gregory, a comedian who long ago gave up laughs for conspiracy theories, also blames King's death on a government plot, as he does the mysterious murder of twenty-eight blacks in Atlanta in 1979-81 (which he ascribes to government scientists' taking the tips of their penises to use in a serum for countering cancer). Conspiracy Theories Everywhere - Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From - by Daniel Pipes
c. Jesse Jackson claimed that the murders were part of a nationwide racial conspiracy and claimed it was open season on black people. 40. The Atlanta Murders No matter that the killer turned out to be a black man.
d. The disproportionate incidence of AIDS and drug use among blacks prompts prominent figures to endorse a conspiracy theory that the U.S. government is behind these epidemics. The comedian Bill Cosby asserts that AIDS was "started by human beings to get after certain people they don't like." The movie director Spike Lee announced (in an advertisement for the Benetton clothing shops, of all places) that "AIDS is a government-engineered disease." On late-night television, rap singer Kool Moe Dee portrayed AIDS as a genocidal plot against blacks, with no dissent from host Arsenio Hall. A mass-circulation magazine for blacks ran as its cover story, "AIDS: Is It Genocide?" Steven Cokely, a well-known former Chicago municipal official, gave the plot an antisemitic twist, telling of Jewish doctors who injected black babies with AIDS as part of a plot to take over the world. Conspiracy Theories Everywhere - Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From - by Daniel Pipes
e. Can the overwhelming support of the President by his black constituents, at a time when his polls are falling everywhere else, a kind of racism?
Why, at a time when racism is arguably at its lowest ebb, has black resentment actually grown?
Have you read/listened to the rhetoric from some Americans since President Obama received the nomination in the summer of 2008? Have you listened to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Boehner, McConnell,Sen. Sessions of Alabama or the signs with photos of Obama as Hitler/Stalin/Lenin, etc.?
Did you read this from a Tea Party leader:
"We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"
"Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government 'stop raising our taxes.' That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide-screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society? Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong."
And your post, you actually believe it's not racist, or smugly believe it's covert enough to hide the hate in your soul? Your post is not constructive or academic, it's obviously racist and as hate filled as you soul.
Agreed. That generation is still alive. And that generation worked hard. That generation wanted an education. That generation was so damn proud they didn't want hand outs all they wanted fairness. And i agree.
That generation also thinks that THIS generation is a bunch of idiots who have lost their way in everything they fought so hard for.
Yes if my ancestors were black i would be much better off. Every door of opportunity would have been open to me WIDER then just being white. My chances for a college scholarship is grater if i mark down aferican American. My chances at a city or government job is much greater if i mark down aferican American.
But your possibility of QUALIFYING for any of that is much, much less. The possibility of your parents being wealthy enough to keep you in HS (and not needing you to work to support the household) would have been lower, the chances that ANY primary school you attended had the latest books and technologies would be lower. The chances that you would have an accredited teacher would have been almost nil. The chances that the after school programs, were there any, would lead to a career OR academic path would also be lower. The chances the address you posted on your first resume would not have gotten it to the round file would have been lower. The chances of you being able to attend college full time would also be lower, as would your chances at successful completion, simply because you would also have to be working full time.
Truly, you MUST try to put yourself in others shoes, rather than putting another into yours to really understand our differences, similarities, and possibilities; and also to truly understand the limits to human potential imposed by the inequities of the not so distant past.
Barb honey, i do understand. Remember we are talking about NOW...and how about we narrow it down from the 80's on
That generation, and i would assume 2 or more by now, have NO excuses. You cant continually blame your state of being on the past and FAR past. At some point you have to take responsibility for yourself.
Public school is what you make of it. Do you really think that today's blacks are doing well in school or that their parents care one bit if they succeed? I never had after school programs so that is not an excuse. All teachers must be accredited to teach.
Blacks are not the only ones working while attending college. Not every white person in this world is rich. Its all about the willingness to WORK to get ahead in the world.
To tell you the truth Barb, yes blacks had a GREATER opportunity for everything as i grew up. They had a grater chance for top choice of every program simply because they are black.
The fucked up part is that the blacks didnt/dont HAVE to get good grades to apply to the best of everything. All they need to do is apply themselves and take responsibility for their lives. Get the hell of welfare and entitlement programs get an education and get a job.
Blacks are very violent.If whites are superior to blacks then why are some of them so threatened by blacks?
Link please.
Are blacks inherently more violent than whites?
Let's see if I get your position so far. Whites are superior to blacks. Blacks are less intelligent and more violent.
No bias there, LOL.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks on average have the lowest IQ's and the highest testosterone levels of all races of people.
Low IQ and high testosterone is not good for a civil socity.
Blacks on average have the lowest IQ's and the highest testosterone levels of all races of people.
Low IQ and high testosterone is not good for a civil socity.
Neither are ignorance and stupidity which you undoubtedly possess in abundance.
But your possibility of QUALIFYING for any of that is much, much less. The possibility of your parents being wealthy enough to keep you in HS (and not needing you to work to support the household) would have been lower, the chances that ANY primary school you attended had the latest books and technologies would be lower. The chances that you would have an accredited teacher would have been almost nil. The chances that the after school programs, were there any, would lead to a career OR academic path would also be lower. The chances the address you posted on your first resume would not have gotten it to the round file would have been lower. The chances of you being able to attend college full time would also be lower, as would your chances at successful completion, simply because you would also have to be working full time.
Truly, you MUST try to put yourself in others shoes, rather than putting another into yours to really understand our differences, similarities, and possibilities; and also to truly understand the limits to human potential imposed by the inequities of the not so distant past.
Barb honey, i do understand. Remember we are talking about NOW...and how about we narrow it down from the 80's on
That generation, and i would assume 2 or more by now, have NO excuses. You cant continually blame your state of being on the past and FAR past. At some point you have to take responsibility for yourself.
Public school is what you make of it. Do you really think that today's blacks are doing well in school or that their parents care one bit if they succeed? I never had after school programs so that is not an excuse. All teachers must be accredited to teach.
Blacks are not the only ones working while attending college. Not every white person in this world is rich. Its all about the willingness to WORK to get ahead in the world.
To tell you the truth Barb, yes blacks had a GREATER opportunity for everything as i grew up. They had a grater chance for top choice of every program simply because they are black.
The fucked up part is that the blacks didnt/dont HAVE to get good grades to apply to the best of everything. All they need to do is apply themselves and take responsibility for their lives. Get the hell of welfare and entitlement programs get an education and get a job.
It is WAY past my bedtime. I'll get back to this in the morning though.
night Barb.
Well they do vote for a party that repeately has worked to keep black people from voting in elections.
Truth do me a favor and check out a few things from history.
1) Find out who (president) segregated our armed forces
2) Find out who (senator) filibustered the civil rights act
3) Find out who (president) started a war to end slavery
I'm not attacking your posts i'm just asking you to study up on a little history and I think if you research these things on your own you may learn some stuff you didn't know about.
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Why, at a time when racism is arguably at its lowest ebb, has black resentment actually grown?
