Why Climate Change is everyones problem

Discussion in 'Environment' started by Patriot52, Jul 15, 2018.

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    The average citizen has no idea what is causing the climate to change, how fast it is changing or


    how this is impacting them. Most people believe that CO2 emissions from power plants are the

    primary contributor causing the atmosphere to act like the glass on a greenhouse. The reality is

    that the CO2 emissions from cars are about equal to that of power plants in the U. S. This makes

    every driver of an internal combustion engine vehicle a contributor to the problem. Car CO2

    emissions do not just dissipate on the ground, they migrate up to the lower atmosphere where

    they can persist for up to 1000 years.

    The average citizen does not understand the difference between weather and climate either.

    Weather happens real-time where climate is primarily a measure of land and ocean temperatures

    over a long period of time. Some people believe that if the planet is really warming then it should

    be warm everywhere. This is nonsense because the poles will always be cooler and it will always

    be colder in winter. The Jet-Stream is moving more erratically now, bringing cold-fronts down to

    Florida and sometimes extreme heat in North Dakota. Because the oceans are warmer now,

    hurricanes are more frequent, extreme and earlier each year. More moisture is in the

    atmosphere, so severe floods, hail storms and deep-snow are more common. Flooding events

    are occurring somewhere in the U. S. almost every week. Maryland just had 1000-year floods for

    2 years in a row. Texas just had record hailstorm damage, costing over $1B. High temperature

    records are broken every year across the U. S. Wildfires are hotter and more common now.

    These are not freak events of mother-nature. They are caused by long-term human activity. The

    debate whether Climate Change/Global Warming is caused by humans is OVER. It is proven

    science verified by experts worldwide.

    Climatologists now have the analytical tools to attribute individual weather events to Climate

    Change. For instance the severe flooding that was caused by hurricane Harvey in Houston has

    been 100% attributed to Climate Change. The economic damage that Climate Change is causing

    in the U. S. is rising every year. The estimated cost to the U. S. economy in 2017 is $300B, half

    the budget for the U. S. military.

    Even those that live in areas unaffected by hurricanes and tornadoes are being impacted. Besides the recurring wildfires here, the cost of food has been

    increasing due to crop failures in Florida and lack of water in California. FEMA payouts for

    weather disasters continue to increase each year, increasing our tax burden and/or adding to the

    National Debt. Ocean warming is causing many wild fish and shellfish stocks to be endangered,

    including the wild salmon fishery off the west coast. Many west-coast rivers don’t have runs

    anymore. The incidents of insect-borne diseases including West Nile Virus, Zika, Dengue and

    Spotted Fever have TRIPLED in the U. S. from 2004 to 2016. Air pollution is responsible for over

    10 million deaths world-wide and 200,000 deaths in US each year, more than cigarettes, war or

    famine.

    Global Warming is now accelerating because we have reached a “tipping-point” caused by effects

    that reinforce warming. Shrinkage of the ice-caps reduces the heat reflected back into space.

    In addition to oil exploration, thawing permafrost releases Methane gas, a greenhouse gas 80 times more potent than CO2.

    Forests, which along with the oceans are the ONLY absorbers of CO2, are shrinking at an

    alarming rate due to wildfires and deforestation for farming. Global Warming is one of the top

    threats to mankind. It’s time for everyone to take this seriously at the ballot box and in your

    personal choices.
     
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    Most people might know but most also dont care. The evidence is stupifying! Best illustration of what voters think about climate change??

    >>> :bigbed::bigbed::bigbed:

    When might they care?

    They'll care when travel agencies start booking vacations to the Arctic and not a moment sooner! When we start seeing travel brochures displaying pics of bikini clad babes water skiing on a Central Alaskan lake in mid-January, then we can have a discussion. Until then, any discussion is akin to deliberating on the lifestyles of folks in Middle Earth....gotta ensure The Shire stays safe!!:113:
     
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    Car CO2

    emissions do not just dissipate on the ground, they migrate up to the lower atmosphere where

    they can persist for up to 1000 years.



    Oh no!! Persistent CO2.
     
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    Yawn......Zzzzz…

    So many errors spotted but you wouldn't know since you didn't make a factual case for any of it.

    Please bring rational thinking to the forum next time.
     
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    Yep...everyone and their brother knows about those "increasing" lines on these graphs....for 25 years.:113:

    Still not caring. :backpedal:
     
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    Oceans absorb C02 clean it and breath it back out....NASA does not know a lot about this phenomenon but this is an interesting link for you doomsday believers to educate yourselves....

    The Ocean’s Carbon Balance
     
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    What is definitely true is that I really could not care any less about climate change. Unless something changes dramatically, I have less than 30 years left in this lifetime. Nothing is going to significantly change in that time period. So why would I care?
     
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    Your whole premise is bull shit...

    Lets start with CO2's residency time in our atmosphere... You say its upwards of 1,000 years while the facts and science has shown it is just 3-30 years at a maximum..

    Next lets discuss your alleged warming... Current levels of CO2 at 400ppm are energy saturated. This means the molecule must release energy before accepting more... This means the molecules do not warm in our atmosphere and must have another molecule which can, such as water vapor...

    Your premise is an epic fail at the most rudimentary levels.. Water vapor and conduction/convection has reduced warming to 1/2 of the LOG rate CO2 is seen to produce in the lab... so water vapor is acting as a negative forcing, not a positive one (as the IPCC fear mongers say), in our atmosphere..

    Epic fail... Let me guess.. You used SkepticalShitScience and HotWhooper for your facts... Am I Right?
     
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