Why are you not dead yet?

[Old Rocks]

"Why are you not dead yet?"

Because of modern medicine, healthful diet and exercise, great genes and good parents who saw to it that I had access to all things healthy and nutritious.

Ah yes, as one geneticist stated, "want a long life? Chose your grandparents carefully".

 

[hortysir]

Why are you not dead yet?

All the chemicals from my 80's and 90's

 

[Spoonman]

Yup.

Increasing life expectancy has more to do with access to enough clean and healthy food and water than medicine, that's for damned sure.

And all those damned government regulations concerning that.

yea lookat all the healthy foods and drink approved by the FDA. Soda, Sugary cerials, Energy drinks, processed foods, high fructose syrups, hydrogenated oils, transfats. they really have our best interest in mind. we ban use of certain pesticides here and then import foods from countries who still use it. we import beef and fish that are raised in waters we would condem. we llaow the overuse of antibiotics and steroids in our meats, we allow genetically altered crops. love those government regulations

 

[rightwinger]

Yup.

Increasing life expectancy has more to do with access to enough clean and healthy food and water than medicine, that's for damned sure.

And all those damned government regulations concerning that.

yea lookat all the healthy foods and drink approved by the FDA. Soda, Sugary cerials, Energy drinks, processed foods, high fructose syrups, hydrogenated oils, transfats. they really have our best interest in mind. we ban use of certain pesticides here and then import foods from countries who still use it. we import beef and fish that are raised in waters we would condem. we llaow the overuse of antibiotics and steroids in our meats, we allow genetically altered crops. love those government regulations

The FDA does not only approve healthy foods. Unless it can be proven to be dangerous, it can't be banned

You are starting to sound like Mayor Bloomberg

 

[rightwinger]

A major jump in life expectancy in my lifetime has come from cigarette smoking restrictions and safer driving standards (safer cars, safer roads, drunk driving laws)

 

[Spoonman]

And all those damned government regulations concerning that.

yea lookat all the healthy foods and drink approved by the FDA. Soda, Sugary cerials, Energy drinks, processed foods, high fructose syrups, hydrogenated oils, transfats. they really have our best interest in mind. we ban use of certain pesticides here and then import foods from countries who still use it. we import beef and fish that are raised in waters we would condem. we llaow the overuse of antibiotics and steroids in our meats, we allow genetically altered crops. love those government regulations

The FDA does not only approve healthy foods. Unless it can be proven to be dangerous, it can't be banned

You are starting to sound like Mayor Bloomberg

i consider something that will take the paint of a car or disolve a bolt in a week dangerous. one recent discovery that you don't hear much about yet because they don't have a pill like a statin yet to prescribe is that cholesterol may not be the culprit they have made it out to be. refined sugars are the real problem. the body produces cholesterol to ack like a plaster to repair the damage to the ateries caused by the refined sugars.

I wish bloomberg sounded more like me. he wouldn't be banning guns

 

[Spoonman]

A major jump in life expectancy in my lifetime has come from cigarette smoking restrictions and safer driving standards (safer cars, safer roads, drunk driving laws)

not to mention that since we lifted clinton's assault weapons ban gun deaths have decreased at a faster rate then drunk driving deaths or tobacco related deaths.

 

[Vandalshandle]

{sigh}

 

[Luddly Neddite]

while i agree with you here, we have made huge strides and are so much better off then we were in the 70's, we still have miles to go. and what we have done is take a large part of our problem and transfer it to emerging nations. our own back yards are a little cleaner, but globally we have gotten worse. there are lots of promising solutions out there but no one is willing to make the big steps.

I agree with you that in many ways we are victims of our own success

Too much processed foods, salt, sugar, fats...too little exercise

We have grown lazy in looking for quick fixes and magic pills. We feel that modern medicine is invincible ant that no matter how much we screw up, there is an operation or a pill that can fix it

when you look at the rise in things like heart disease, diabetis, cancer, it really makes you wonder. they try to tell you its because we are living longer, but I don't buy that. because these aren't diseases limited to the old. it's not only people in these extended years that is contracting these diseases. they are happening at younger and younger ages and more and more frequently. then you look at things like food allergies, peanuts, whatever. when i was a kid i knew of no one with a peanut allergy. today kids are dying just from eating something that does not contain peanuts, but was processed on a machine that also processed a food containing peanuts. ADD and social disorders, also on the rise. maybe we are becoming too sterile. we have grossly overweight people who are suffering the effects of malnutrician, because the foods they eat contain limited nutritional value. there has to be a better way. Education would be a good start

They're finding high levels of cholesterol in kids as young as two. Even when I was a meat eater, I knew better than to eat shit like bacon and hot dogs and so-called fast food.

Europe won't buy meat from us because it doesn't measure up to their high standards and now, China, who has no standards at all, has bought that hell hole, Smithfield's. And, yep, people are dumb enough to eat the crap they produce and will gladly follow Paula Deen off the cliff.

Who was it said to never underestimate the stupidity of humans?

Another difference from "then" to "now". When I was in my teens, people could get pregnant through a closed door. Now, we seem to be losing the ability to reproduce ourselves. Granted that, in some cases, that would be a good thing, its still something we need to learn more about. Instead, we just keep building more fertility clinics.

Recently, I read of a 9yo giving birth. That's what we get from all those growth hormones.

Drug companies actually work to make new drugs for which there is not yet a use. How freaking bizarre is that?

 

[Spoonman]

I agree with you that in many ways we are victims of our own success

Too much processed foods, salt, sugar, fats...too little exercise

We have grown lazy in looking for quick fixes and magic pills. We feel that modern medicine is invincible ant that no matter how much we screw up, there is an operation or a pill that can fix it

when you look at the rise in things like heart disease, diabetis, cancer, it really makes you wonder. they try to tell you its because we are living longer, but I don't buy that. because these aren't diseases limited to the old. it's not only people in these extended years that is contracting these diseases. they are happening at younger and younger ages and more and more frequently. then you look at things like food allergies, peanuts, whatever. when i was a kid i knew of no one with a peanut allergy. today kids are dying just from eating something that does not contain peanuts, but was processed on a machine that also processed a food containing peanuts. ADD and social disorders, also on the rise. maybe we are becoming too sterile. we have grossly overweight people who are suffering the effects of malnutrician, because the foods they eat contain limited nutritional value. there has to be a better way. Education would be a good start

They're finding high levels of cholesterol in kids as young as two. Even when I was a meat eater, I knew better than to eat shit like bacon and hot dogs and so-called fast food.

Europe won't buy meat from us because it doesn't measure up to their high standards and now, China, who has no standards at all, has bought that hell hole, Smithfield's. And, yep, people are dumb enough to eat the crap they produce and will gladly follow Paula Deen off the cliff.

Who was it said to never underestimate the stupidity of humans?

Another difference from "then" to "now". When I was in my teens, people could get pregnant through a closed door. Now, we seem to be losing the ability to reproduce ourselves. Granted that, in some cases, that would be a good thing, its still something we need to learn more about. Instead, we just keep building more fertility clinics.

Recently, I read of a 9yo giving birth. That's what we get from all those growth hormones.

Drug companies actually work to make new drugs for which there is not yet a use. How freaking bizarre is that?

fish are contaminated with antibiotics from all the stuff we flush and toss in landfills. amazing when you think about that. the fact that we allow any foods to come in from china, let alone make it a major source pisses the hell out of me. I've been going to china pretty much every year for the last 20 years or so for business. i'm appalled at the conditions over there. especially along the industrialized eastern coast. I've seen some of the fish farms. they look like toxic sludge fields. what has happened to the air quality alone in the last decade tells you the fallout from rain must be toxic as hell. in some areas, people are dumping garbage and industrial waste in areas where people have rice fields. it's insane

 

[Politico]

Because my expiration date hasn't come yet.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Life expectancy history: Public health and medical advances that lead to long lives. - Slate Magazine

Life expectancy has doubled in the last 150 years....Key factors

Clean water may be the biggest lifesaver in history. Some historians attribute one-half of the overall reduction in mortality, two-thirds of the reduction in child mortality, and three-fourths of the reduction in infant mortality to clean water.

Technologies to move wastewater away from cities, but as Grob points out in The Deadly Truth, the first sewage systems made the transmission of fecal-borne diseases worse. Lacking an understanding of germs, people thought that dilution was the best solution and just piped their sewage into nearby waterways. Unfortunately, the sewage outlets were often near the water system inlets. Finally understanding that sewage and drinking water need to be completely separated

Germ theory of disease didn’t catch on all that quickly, but once it did, people started washing their hands. Soap became cheaper and more widespread, and people suddenly had a logical reason to wash up before surgery, after defecating, before eating. Soap stops both deadly and lingering infections; even today, kids who don’t have access to soap and clean water have stunted growth.

Housing, especially in cities, was crowded, filthy, poorly ventilated, dank, stinky, hot in the summer, and cold in the winter. These were terrible conditions to live in as a human being, but a great place to be an infectious microbe. Pretty much everyone was infected with tuberculosis (the main cause of consumption), the leading killer for most of the 19th century

Contaminated food was one of the greatest killers, especially of infants; once they stopped breast-feeding, their food could expose them to typhoid fever, botulism, salmonella, and any number of microbes that caused deadly diarrhea in young children.

Add to that successfully safeguarding against the implementation of reckless, failed, and reactionary conservative and libertarian policies.

 

[koshergrl]

spoonman, glad to hear you're getting better and agree completely that food should not come out of boxes with ingredients we can't pronounce. We also eat as much organic as possible. There's a Mennonite community near us and they don't use pesticides so we buy a lot from them. We do eat a very few eggs and get those from a neighbor who has chickens.

When at the grocery store, compare what is in people's carts with the way they look. We're becoming a nation of Pillsbury doughboys. You know how you can spot a smoker from their grey skin (and the stench). Same with food.

And yet, the right doesn't want our schools to feed our kids high quality food.

Hospitals - some actually have fast food crap in their lobby - give them the disease downstairs and admit them for treatment upstairs.

What we put up with - its just crazy.

I do believe it's the lefties who have put all the laws in place that make it almost impossible for people to grow, obtain, or sell food on a small, local scale.

Lefties are patting themselves on the back...because obesity in the poorest states, the most dependent upon foodstamps, is rolling back.

It's not something to cheer about. They're starving the poorest people. They've cut the calories back to 850 in the schools...their OBJECTIVE is to starve children.

Now applaud.

 

[Derideo_Te]

spoonman, glad to hear you're getting better and agree completely that food should not come out of boxes with ingredients we can't pronounce. We also eat as much organic as possible. There's a Mennonite community near us and they don't use pesticides so we buy a lot from them. We do eat a very few eggs and get those from a neighbor who has chickens.

When at the grocery store, compare what is in people's carts with the way they look. We're becoming a nation of Pillsbury doughboys. You know how you can spot a smoker from their grey skin (and the stench). Same with food.

And yet, the right doesn't want our schools to feed our kids high quality food.

Hospitals - some actually have fast food crap in their lobby - give them the disease downstairs and admit them for treatment upstairs.

What we put up with - its just crazy.

I do believe it's the lefties who have put all the laws in place that make it almost impossible for people to grow, obtain, or sell food on a small, local scale.

Lefties are patting themselves on the back...because obesity in the poorest states, the most dependent upon foodstamps, is rolling back.

It's not something to cheer about. They're starving the poorest people. They've cut the calories back to 850 in the schools...their OBJECTIVE is to starve children.

Now applaud.

That is about 50% of the daily calories for a moderately active child, KG. Schools are not responsible for 100% of a child's daily food needs.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

spoonman, glad to hear you're getting better and agree completely that food should not come out of boxes with ingredients we can't pronounce. We also eat as much organic as possible. There's a Mennonite community near us and they don't use pesticides so we buy a lot from them. We do eat a very few eggs and get those from a neighbor who has chickens.

When at the grocery store, compare what is in people's carts with the way they look. We're becoming a nation of Pillsbury doughboys. You know how you can spot a smoker from their grey skin (and the stench). Same with food.

And yet, the right doesn't want our schools to feed our kids high quality food.

Hospitals - some actually have fast food crap in their lobby - give them the disease downstairs and admit them for treatment upstairs.

What we put up with - its just crazy.

I do believe it's the lefties who have put all the laws in place that make it almost impossible for people to grow, obtain, or sell food on a small, local scale.

Lefties are patting themselves on the back...because obesity in the poorest states, the most dependent upon foodstamps, is rolling back.

It's not something to cheer about. They're starving the poorest people. They've cut the calories back to 850 in the schools...their OBJECTIVE is to starve children.

Now applaud.

That is about 50% of the daily calories for a moderately active child, KG. Schools are not responsible for 100% of a child's daily food needs.

The rest of her post is hooey as well. I'd like to see her post links that prove any of the rather outlandish accusations she makes but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[numan]

Yup.

Increasing life expectancy has more to do with access to enough clean and healthy food and water than medicine, that's for damned sure.

Quite right.

I am still alive because I don't trust doctors, never enter the concentration camp murder-factories called hospitals, and never take the poisonous drugs Big Pharma touts as medicine -- not even over-the-counter "medications."

Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, in his book, Confessions of a Medical Heretic, wrote that 'if you are healthy and don't feel ill, don't go to a doctor for checkups. And, if you're sick, don't go to a hospital'.

IMO, there is real wisdom in that.

During WWII, most doctors had gone to treat war casualties, and, because of shortages, the average diet did not include meat or sugar. Suddenly, people stopped dying.

That says it all, doesn't it?

And that was before doctors were subjected to modern brainwashing and corruption by manufacturers of medical supplies, and before Big Pharma started its drive to make as many people as possible chronically sick and brainwashed into buying and using their dangerous, expensive poisons.
.

 

[KissMy]

During WWII, most doctors had gone to treat war casualties and, because of shortages, the average diet did not include meat or sugar. Suddenly, people stopped dying.

I don't eat any animal flesh and haven't for more than 30 years, have a family history loaded with heart disease, cancer and diabetes. The siblings who are still alive are enormously fat, smoke, eat meat and have had heart attacks and do have diabetes. I'm the oldest and have none of those, don't smoke, am of normal weight feel good and am very active.

But, I've read that the danger of eating meat is that "we" eat processed meat like bacon, lunch meat - basically meat that is loaded with fat and chemicals, and then, often, load it up with even more carcinogens by grilling it.

OTOH

A very dear friend of mine died at the age of 87. His diet consisted of nothing, absolutely nothing but animal products and very tiny helpings. His lunch would often be one small slice of cheese and one small slice of meat. And always a pepsi. He had cardiac weakness due to childhood disease but was strong and healthy and active right up until his heart gave out.

At the end of the movie Julie and Julia, there's a screen message that states that Julia Child died in her 90s, as did her husband. And yet, right up until their deaths, both smoked and ate a diet heavy in butter and meat.

As the old saying goes, for every rule there are more than enough exceptions to go around. Or, something like that.

The problem is not the food, it's the consumer. Sugar, fat & meats are energy dense, therefore you need to eat much less in order to not over eat. You will be healthier than the strict vegans if you can properly regulate your food intake. GMO food is very healthy contrary to public opinion. Again they are hearty & energy dense so you have to eat less to not get fat & sick.

My grandpa ate lard on white bread sandwiches nearly every day & lived over 90 years. He did not die from obesity or heart disease.

 

[Mr. H.]

I've been very lucky, that why not.

 

[Papageorgio]

I plan on living forever.

So far, so good!

 

[Old Rocks]

A major jump in life expectancy in my lifetime has come from cigarette smoking restrictions and safer driving standards (safer cars, safer roads, drunk driving laws)

not to mention that since we lifted clinton's assault weapons ban gun deaths have decreased at a faster rate then drunk driving deaths or tobacco related deaths.

Where did you get that? Care to link that source? Because here is what I am seeing;

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg