Why Are Conservatives Such Cowards When It Comes To Social Security & Medicare?

[jotathought]

No you haven’t; you produced an opinion piece from a conservative rag, not the CBO.

KFF.org is about as non-biased as you can get on healthcare policy; regardless, it doesn't change how Medicare Part D with the private organizations that manage it are funding prescriptions. Cheers!

 

[Dagosa]

KFF.org is about as non-biased as you can get on healthcare policy; regardless, it doesn't change how Medicare Part D with the private organizations that manage it are funding prescriptions. Cheers!

Really ? You can‘t even read your own article can you ?

 

[jotathought]

Really ? You can‘t even read your own article can you ?

yes .. why don't you point out what content makes it a "Conservative Rag." Thanks.

 

[justoffal]

Go ahead, produce one lie. Climate change, election denial and economic ineptitude. There are three biggies right off the bat that repugnants are behind the 8 ball.

Yes climate change is a huge lie.
There's no question that some measure of the 2020 election was illegitimate. I paid $9.00/lb for prime Rib under Trump....under Biden it's $17.00.
Like I said misleading the public is a left-wing institution they've been at it for a long time and they no longer even realize what they're doing.

 

[Dagosa]

Yes climate change is a huge lie.
There's no question that some measure of the 2020 election was illegitimate. I paid $9.00/lb for prime Rib under Trump....under Biden it's $17.00.
Like I said misleading the public is a left-wing institution they've been at it for a long time and they no longer even realize what they're doing.

Really ? The left controls every science research institute in the world on climate. That’s your claim ? You’re now smarter then every accredited university and govt agency IN THE WORLD. That in itself tells you either how stupid deniers are or how gullible they are.
Election deniers are Putin supporters. “ Some measure” bullshit. Over 50 attempts, and no evidence except what Russian TV star Traitor Tucker keeps repeating.

And, the number of Trump loyalist indictments keeps climbing. And for what…lying. Lying is something you Humpers do without missing a step.

 

[Dagosa]

KFF.org is about as non-biased as you can get on healthcare policy; regardless, it doesn't change how Medicare Part D with the private organizations that manage it are funding prescriptions. Cheers!

It’s financed that way to cover the high costs do to the gop legislation that forces Medicare NOW to pay high prices. The govt subsidies are to keep people from dying. You can’t make this shit up. You think the funding is proof of what, how much the drug companies are not making ?

 

[Woodznutz]

As I keep asking on this forum, Are Leftists stupid or subversive? There is no other possibility. Which is it?

There is no need to "kill" SS or Medicare. Both are funded by "payroll taxes" and not by general revenues, and particularly Federal Income Taxes. Social Security was corrupted by Democrat Administrations in the 70's, when Boomers were paying unprecedented billions into the "trust funds." Congress saw a chance to BUY VOTES with enhanced benefits and by adding a disability pension that was never called for in the original law. But with so much money coming it, who gave a shit? Prior to these innovations, Social Security was reluctantly acknowledged to be a SUPPLEMENT to individuals' pensions, savings, and family resources. Leftists at the time whined that "You can't live on Social Security alone!" To which rational observers responded, "It was never intended to provide enough money to live on." But again, with Boomer money coming in explosive amounts, the pensions were dramatically increased, a cost-of-living provision was added, and disability pensions were tacked on.

And now we have a situation where those very same Boomers are retiring and collecting pensions - again, in unprecedented amounts - and there's not enough money coming in to pay them indefinitely. There was hope with the pandemic; maybe a couple gazillion Boomers would have the decency to die, but alas "we" didn't go along with that plan.

Congress "borrowed" hundreds of billions of dollars from the SS excesses and the return of those borrowed moneys along with current contributions are keeping SS afloat, albeit temporarily.

If Congress does nothing, the funds will run dry in - I don't know - ten years or so, and pensions would be decreased dramatically to conform to the then-current revenue stream.

But Congress will do SOMETHING, the only question is, What? Will they eliminate the cap on earnings subject to FICA tax? Will they raise the retirement age? Will they revise the COLA formula? Will they make SS means-tested, thus cutting benefits (or FREEZING them) to all the rich bastards who actually have no need of SS (like me). When the time comes to get serious about SS, we know two things for certain: The Republicans will try to be rational, and the Democrats will demagog the issue to make it look like Republicans are trying to screw old people, and take away the pensions of everyone under 60 years old.

And so it goes.

No Republican leader has suggested "cutting Social Security" under any set of circumstances, but one Republican Senator made a suggestion that, if you construed it a certain way and were speaking to an audience of morons, could be alleged to threaten cutting SS - while every Republican leader within five thousand miles said that they have no intention of cutting SS.

So of course people like the OP understood that to mean that the Republicans want to cut SS.

Stupid or evil? Which is it?

Raise the earnings cap (we're already 'means testing'). Leave retirement age alone.

 

[Dagosa]

There is no need to "kill" SS or Medicare. Both are funded by "payroll taxes" and not by general revenues, and particularly Federal Income Taxes.

The Treasury is holding 2.9 trillion dollars in treasury notes ” purchased” by the surplus of the SS trust fund. As the trust fund uses funds from this surplus, or gains interest, it’s paid directly from THE GENERAL FUND. It’s part of the overall deficit because Medicare Aand B and SS for DECADES have been overcharged in payroll taxes for years. They then “ steal” the surplus for things like…..military expenses. Get grip…..Treasury note purchase funds go…….into The general fund.

 

[jotathought]

It’s financed that way to cover the high costs do to the gop legislation that forces Medicare NOW to pay high prices. The govt subsidies are to keep people from dying. You can’t make this shit up. You think the funding is proof of what, how much the drug companies are not making ?

Government pays private organizations to cover the cost of prescriptions .. The Biden Inflation Reduction Act is gutting that one stream of revenue (as well as out-of-pocket costs from members) and shifting that liability to private organizations that provide Part D benefits. You can deny it all you want .. it has been signed into law by Biden, and private organizations will respond accordingly to bridge those gaps: higher premiums (which are capped at 6%), benefit cuts or just removing themselves from the market altogether.

 

[lennypartiv]

Republicans love exploding the budget to pay for corporate subsidies, tax breaks, and tax cuts for billionaires.

 

[Dagosa]

Government pays private organizations to cover the cost of prescriptions .. The Biden Inflation Reduction Act is gutting that one stream of revenue (as well as out-of-pocket costs from members) and shifting that liability to private organizations that provide Part D benefits. You can deny it all you want .. it has been signed into law by Biden, and private organizations will respond accordingly to bridge those gaps: higher premiums (which are capped at 6%), benefit cuts or just removing themselves from the market altogether.

So, let’s keep paying drug companies more money so they can raise the costs so high, people die for lack of funding…..amaking.

 

[jotathought]

So, let’s keep paying drug companies more money so they can raise the costs so high, people die for lack of funding…..amaking.

really doesn't matter .. it'll hit Medicare Part D members who choose to use this service.

 

[Dagosa]

Government pays private organizations to cover the cost of prescriptions .. The Biden Inflation Reduction Act is gutting that one stream of revenue (as well as out-of-pocket costs from members) and shifting that liability to private organizations that provide Part D benefits. You can deny it all you want .. it has been signed into law by Biden, and private organizations will respond accordingly to bridge those gaps: higher premiums (which are capped at 6%), benefit cuts or just removing themselves from the market altogether.

Gutting a stream of revenue…..what a bullshit way of wording price gouging.

 

[jotathought]

Gutting a stream of revenue…..what a bullshit way of wording price gouging.

okay .. whatever makes you happy. Its also is another way of saying, "Medicare Part D members will either pay more, have fewer benefit options or both."

 

[Dagosa]

okay .. whatever makes you happy. Its also is another way of saying, "Medicare Part D members will either pay more, have fewer benefit options or both."

Not now that insulin has a price cap and drugs paid for by Medicare will be negotiated downward to match prices paid by other countries buying from the same drug manufacturers. Seem silly that the only free country without universal healthcare pays the highest drug prices. Of course the gop does NOTHING when in office to help any healthcare costs.

 

[jotathought]

Not now that insulin has a price cap and drugs paid for by Medicare will be negotiated downward to match prices paid by other countries buying from the same drug manufacturers. Seem silly that the only free country without universal healthcare pays the highest drug prices. Of course the gop does NOTHING when in office to help any healthcare costs.

Hope that works out for you ..