Why anti gun people are so angry.....

[2aguy]

I don't care if others carry concealed. It's the open carry morons who I laugh at.

Oh I open carry

at the USPSA or steel matches

at the Olympic Skeet trials

at the ISU Trap matches

in the Quail field


around civilians in an urban environment-no fucking way. I don't need lots of losers pissing their pants

The good thing about an open carry law is that it protects you if you accidentally expose your pistol while you are moving around in the world.....you don't have to worry about getting cited for "open carry" in a concealed carry state.....the anti gunners are assholes and more than willing to try to get you in legal trouble.....

no ones getting arrested if their weapon accidentally becomes exposed in a concealed carry state you dork.

They actually cover that in any competent concealed carry course.

Yeah, try that in Illinois asshole....or Chicago in particular....moron.....

baby with a tiny penis says what?

And asshole...here is Masad Ayoob on the topic......

Massad Ayoob s Blog - OPEN CARRY WHAT S YOUR TAKE - March 10 2015 19 01

First, because there are some jurisdictions where if the wind blows your coat open and reveals the gun you are legally carrying concealed, a genuinely frightened citizen or vindictive anti-gunner can combine with an anti-gun prosecutor to create a perfect storm of criminal charges for illegal open carry. Second, because if a good person suddenly becomes a stalking victim or the target of death threats, I don’t want them to have to wait up to 90 days (gun-friendly Florida) or six months (the time it takes before a new resident can even apply for a concealed carry permit in California, which for the most part is decidedly non-gun-friendly).

 

[turtledude]

Oh I open carry

at the USPSA or steel matches

at the Olympic Skeet trials

at the ISU Trap matches

in the Quail field


around civilians in an urban environment-no fucking way. I don't need lots of losers pissing their pants

The good thing about an open carry law is that it protects you if you accidentally expose your pistol while you are moving around in the world.....you don't have to worry about getting cited for "open carry" in a concealed carry state.....the anti gunners are assholes and more than willing to try to get you in legal trouble.....

no ones getting arrested if their weapon accidentally becomes exposed in a concealed carry state you dork.

They actually cover that in any competent concealed carry course.

Yeah, try that in Illinois asshole....or Chicago in particular....moron.....

baby with a tiny penis says what?

And asshole...here is Masad Ayoob on the topic......

Massad Ayoob s Blog - OPEN CARRY WHAT S YOUR TAKE - March 10 2015 19 01

First, because there are some jurisdictions where if the wind blows your coat open and reveals the gun you are legally carrying concealed, a genuinely frightened citizen or vindictive anti-gunner can combine with an anti-gun prosecutor to create a perfect storm of criminal charges for illegal open carry. Second, because if a good person suddenly becomes a stalking victim or the target of death threats, I don’t want them to have to wait up to 90 days (gun-friendly Florida) or six months (the time it takes before a new resident can even apply for a concealed carry permit in California, which for the most part is decidedly non-gun-friendly).

LFI Miamisburg, Ohio-late 1980s guest instructor on the laws of self defense in Ohio

 

[pismoe]

why have to talk or explain anything to the law AVE , best that open carry is legal as it covers exactly what 2AGUY says . Accidently expose your gun , let the people that pizz their pants cry if they like but no explanation to authorities is needed and that's a good thing !!.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Oh I open carry

at the USPSA or steel matches

at the Olympic Skeet trials

at the ISU Trap matches

in the Quail field


around civilians in an urban environment-no fucking way. I don't need lots of losers pissing their pants

The good thing about an open carry law is that it protects you if you accidentally expose your pistol while you are moving around in the world.....you don't have to worry about getting cited for "open carry" in a concealed carry state.....the anti gunners are assholes and more than willing to try to get you in legal trouble.....

no ones getting arrested if their weapon accidentally becomes exposed in a concealed carry state you dork.

They actually cover that in any competent concealed carry course.

Yeah, try that in Illinois asshole....or Chicago in particular....moron.....

baby with a tiny penis says what?

And asshole...here is Masad Ayoob on the topic......

Massad Ayoob s Blog - OPEN CARRY WHAT S YOUR TAKE - March 10 2015 19 01

First, because there are some jurisdictions where if the wind blows your coat open and reveals the gun you are legally carrying concealed, a genuinely frightened citizen or vindictive anti-gunner can combine with an anti-gun prosecutor to create a perfect storm of criminal charges for illegal open carry. Second, because if a good person suddenly becomes a stalking victim or the target of death threats, I don’t want them to have to wait up to 90 days (gun-friendly Florida) or six months (the time it takes before a new resident can even apply for a concealed carry permit in California, which for the most part is decidedly non-gun-friendly).

Show me a single case of someone who was carrying a concealed weapon and got charged with open carrying because their weapon became exposed.

You idiot. If that were the case do you realize that you could be charged for open carrying if you ever had to USE your weapon?

Moron.

 

[pismoe]

open carry is a good deal . Now the cops can't say anything AVE !!

 

[turtledude]

The good thing about an open carry law is that it protects you if you accidentally expose your pistol while you are moving around in the world.....you don't have to worry about getting cited for "open carry" in a concealed carry state.....the anti gunners are assholes and more than willing to try to get you in legal trouble.....

no ones getting arrested if their weapon accidentally becomes exposed in a concealed carry state you dork.

They actually cover that in any competent concealed carry course.

Yeah, try that in Illinois asshole....or Chicago in particular....moron.....

baby with a tiny penis says what?

And asshole...here is Masad Ayoob on the topic......

Massad Ayoob s Blog - OPEN CARRY WHAT S YOUR TAKE - March 10 2015 19 01

First, because there are some jurisdictions where if the wind blows your coat open and reveals the gun you are legally carrying concealed, a genuinely frightened citizen or vindictive anti-gunner can combine with an anti-gun prosecutor to create a perfect storm of criminal charges for illegal open carry. Second, because if a good person suddenly becomes a stalking victim or the target of death threats, I don’t want them to have to wait up to 90 days (gun-friendly Florida) or six months (the time it takes before a new resident can even apply for a concealed carry permit in California, which for the most part is decidedly non-gun-friendly).

Show me a single case of someone who was carrying a concealed weapon and got charged with open carrying because their weapon became exposed.

You idiot. If that were the case do you realize that you could be charged for open carrying if you ever had to USE your weapon?

Moron.

no such cases in ohio

 

[2aguy]

The good thing about an open carry law is that it protects you if you accidentally expose your pistol while you are moving around in the world.....you don't have to worry about getting cited for "open carry" in a concealed carry state.....the anti gunners are assholes and more than willing to try to get you in legal trouble.....

no ones getting arrested if their weapon accidentally becomes exposed in a concealed carry state you dork.

They actually cover that in any competent concealed carry course.

Yeah, try that in Illinois asshole....or Chicago in particular....moron.....

baby with a tiny penis says what?

And asshole...here is Masad Ayoob on the topic......

Massad Ayoob s Blog - OPEN CARRY WHAT S YOUR TAKE - March 10 2015 19 01

First, because there are some jurisdictions where if the wind blows your coat open and reveals the gun you are legally carrying concealed, a genuinely frightened citizen or vindictive anti-gunner can combine with an anti-gun prosecutor to create a perfect storm of criminal charges for illegal open carry. Second, because if a good person suddenly becomes a stalking victim or the target of death threats, I don’t want them to have to wait up to 90 days (gun-friendly Florida) or six months (the time it takes before a new resident can even apply for a concealed carry permit in California, which for the most part is decidedly non-gun-friendly).

Show me a single case of someone who was carrying a concealed weapon and got charged with open carrying because their weapon became exposed.

You idiot. If that were the case do you realize that you could be charged for open carrying if you ever had to USE your weapon?

Moron.

Moron.....you are a waste of typing.....what a dipstick....

 

[2aguy]

Hey moron....

Legal Gun Carrier Arrested For Carrying Gun

Deputy Cox blurted out that he didn’t care if he had a concealed carry permit. He could see the weapon, and that was a violation of the law. Actually, Florida state law was changed in 2011 to say the brief viewing of a gun in a non-threatening manner was not a violation of their concealed carry laws. For example, if a person is reaching for something in his vehicle, and his gun is exposed for half a second inadvertently, that would not be a violation of their concealed carry laws. Deputy Cox claimed that that half second was way too long, and that he felt threatened by the man who was calm and completely compliant.

 

[pismoe]

good find '2AGUY' , no matter what , this arrest crap only needs to happen once to ME for it to be significant !!

 

[M14 Shooter]

When a guy chooses a name based on ONE issue, it's clear he's a nutter
You're a nutter.
"I should be able to go down to Wal Mart and buy minigun or an UZI or a flame thrower if I want by God"
LOL, sorry about your tiny penis bruh.

Typical anti-gun loon, only able to argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[Bfgrn]

You truly are a moron. And you argument is childish. WHO in their right fucking mind would put their name on a gun for a criminal? The girl in Webster NY who bought the weapon for a guy that couldn't pass a background check and used it to kill two fireman is going to prison for 8 YEARS.

see...do you realize you just voided your own post? You asked....Who in their fucking right mind.....apparently this girl actually did......and now may go to prison....there you answered your own question....and just showed why background checks are stupid and don't work, and how criminals actually get their guns......you accomplished quite a bit with one post.....

The vast majority of people are not that stupid. The premise is moronic.

Let's be clear, crystal. YOU and your ilk are aiding and abetting criminals, murderers and legitimizing black market gun dealers.

There is no need for illegal black market gun dealers to operate in dark alleys, out of the trunk of cars or any other inherently dangerous way of conducting sales.

Illegal gun dealers can operate in broad daylight, with police protection at gun shows. And criminals have no need to risk the dangers of buying guns in dark alleys, out of the trunk of cars or any other inherently dangerous place. They can buy guns with police protection, receive expert advice, discounts and not have to pay black market prices.

All because you and your ilk are infested with fear, and have ZERO regard for law abiding citizens.

You're wrong on one point.

The vast majority of Americans in fact ARE stupid.

No they're not...

The extremist on this thread are 2aguy, M14 Shooter and ChrisL...

They NEED to paint people like me as a 'gun grabber', because common sense gun laws are the antithesis of their existence. I support the right to bear arms to protect yourself, your family and your property. I don't sanction allowing criminals to buy guns easily, or in a protected environment. They SHOULD be forced to buy a gun in an inherently dangerous situation.

This poll is a lie...they don't explain the facts,of background checks to the people...so people who pay no attention to the issue...and tactics of gun grabbers, accept it at face value.....explain that it will require registration, that it will force people to get background checks to give guns to family members....then see what they say....

WTF is wrong with you? Why do you constantly LIE?

You LIES have been debunked once on this thread. Do you think you can get away with continuing to LIE?

A summary of the Manchin-Toomey gun proposal PolitiFact

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/04/Manchin-Toomey.pdf

 

[Bfgrn]

Do you support background checks if they would require registration of firearms and their owners?

do you support background checks if they require you to perform them to give a gun to a relative or friend?

Do you support background checks of it means you can no longer loan guns to friends and family without a background check?

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act

Our bill does three major things: 1) expands the existing background check system to cover commercial sales, including sales at gun shows and internet sales; 2) strengthens the existing instant check system by encouraging states to put all their available records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS); 3) establishes a National Commission on Mass Violence to study in-depth all the causes of mass violence in our country.

1. Leveling the playing field for gun sales:
• Under current law, if you buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to undergo a background check by that dealer. But you can go to a nondealer table at the gun show, or into the parking lot, and buy a gun without a background check.

o Our bill ensures that anyone buying a gun at a gun show has to undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• Under current law, if you buy a gun online interstate (from one state to another), the gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer, you must go to that dealer and get a background check before you purchase the gun. However, for intrastate (in the same state) sales, no background check is required and you can sell the gun to the person without ever meeting face-to-face.

o Our bill requires that the current system for interstate sales be expanded to cover intrastate sales as well-so all purchasers buying guns online must undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• As under current law, background checks are performed by licensed dealers, and recordkeeping will not change-dealers will keep the records in bound books, like they do now. The federal government cannot keep records.
• Our bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry—a felony punishable by 15 years in prison.
• As under current law, temporary transfers do not require background checks, so, for example, you can loan your hunting rifle to your buddy without any new restrictions or requirements.
• As under current law, transfers between family, friends, and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor, your coworker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check.
• Our bill also fixes problems in current law that unfairly limit the Second Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners by:
o Allowing interstate handgun sales from licensed dealers. Outdated current law only allows interstate sales of rifles and shotguns. This will bring more sales into the background check system.
o Allowing active military to buy firearms in their home states and the state in which they are stationed. Current law restricts them to purchasing only from their duty station.
o Allowing dealer-to-dealer sales at gun shows taking place in a state in which they are not a resident. Currently these sales are only permitted for dealers from the same state in which the gun show is being held.
o Protecting sellers from lawsuits if the buyer is cleared through the expanded background checks system and the weapon is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
o Authorizing the use of a state concealed carry permit that has been issued within the last five years in lieu of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer because background checks are required to receive conceal carry permits.

 

[2aguy]

Do you support background checks if they would require registration of firearms and their owners?

do you support background checks if they require you to perform them to give a gun to a relative or friend?

Do you support background checks of it means you can no longer loan guns to friends and family without a background check?

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act

Our bill does three major things: 1) expands the existing background check system to cover commercial sales, including sales at gun shows and internet sales; 2) strengthens the existing instant check system by encouraging states to put all their available records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS); 3) establishes a National Commission on Mass Violence to study in-depth all the causes of mass violence in our country.

1. Leveling the playing field for gun sales:
• Under current law, if you buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to undergo a background check by that dealer. But you can go to a nondealer table at the gun show, or into the parking lot, and buy a gun without a background check.

o Our bill ensures that anyone buying a gun at a gun show has to undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• Under current law, if you buy a gun online interstate (from one state to another), the gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer, you must go to that dealer and get a background check before you purchase the gun. However, for intrastate (in the same state) sales, no background check is required and you can sell the gun to the person without ever meeting face-to-face.

o Our bill requires that the current system for interstate sales be expanded to cover intrastate sales as well-so all purchasers buying guns online must undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• As under current law, background checks are performed by licensed dealers, and recordkeeping will not change-dealers will keep the records in bound books, like they do now. The federal government cannot keep records.
• Our bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry—a felony punishable by 15 years in prison.
• As under current law, temporary transfers do not require background checks, so, for example, you can loan your hunting rifle to your buddy without any new restrictions or requirements.
• As under current law, transfers between family, friends, and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor, your coworker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check.
• Our bill also fixes problems in current law that unfairly limit the Second Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners by:
o Allowing interstate handgun sales from licensed dealers. Outdated current law only allows interstate sales of rifles and shotguns. This will bring more sales into the background check system.
o Allowing active military to buy firearms in their home states and the state in which they are stationed. Current law restricts them to purchasing only from their duty station.
o Allowing dealer-to-dealer sales at gun shows taking place in a state in which they are not a resident. Currently these sales are only permitted for dealers from the same state in which the gun show is being held.
o Protecting sellers from lawsuits if the buyer is cleared through the expanded background checks system and the weapon is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
o Authorizing the use of a state concealed carry permit that has been issued within the last five years in lieu of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer because background checks are required to receive conceal carry permits.

How dumb are you....again...80% of illegal guns easily get past the background check for licensed dealers.....either by having friends and family guy the gun because they can pass even a universal background check, or because the guns are stolen and do not undergo any background check..........so your dumb idea for a universal background check is defeated before it even begins.........

 

[2aguy]

And again...when the super duper universal background check fails to work....because it can't because the criminals already get around the background checks for gun dealers....then the gun grabbers will come back and say...gee.....bad guys are still getting guns at gun shows and from other individuals because 1) they have friends and family buy the guns because they have clean backgrounds and can pass a check...and 2) they simply steal the guns.....

So...the gun grabbers will come back and say......we need to track these guns.....so we now know we need to register these guns to know who has them after the background check.....that is just common sense...right.......? So they tighten the noose with "Universal Background" Checks, then they can come back for registration because criminals will still be getting guns illegally...

Dude....we know how you guys think, we know what you want....and we know your tactics.....you never give up and you want all guns...not just categories of guns, banned.......

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment will be surrendered to you morons.....

 

[2aguy]

Do you support background checks if they would require registration of firearms and their owners?

do you support background checks if they require you to perform them to give a gun to a relative or friend?

Do you support background checks of it means you can no longer loan guns to friends and family without a background check?

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act

Our bill does three major things: 1) expands the existing background check system to cover commercial sales, including sales at gun shows and internet sales; 2) strengthens the existing instant check system by encouraging states to put all their available records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS); 3) establishes a National Commission on Mass Violence to study in-depth all the causes of mass violence in our country.

1. Leveling the playing field for gun sales:
• Under current law, if you buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to undergo a background check by that dealer. But you can go to a nondealer table at the gun show, or into the parking lot, and buy a gun without a background check.

o Our bill ensures that anyone buying a gun at a gun show has to undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• Under current law, if you buy a gun online interstate (from one state to another), the gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer, you must go to that dealer and get a background check before you purchase the gun. However, for intrastate (in the same state) sales, no background check is required and you can sell the gun to the person without ever meeting face-to-face.

o Our bill requires that the current system for interstate sales be expanded to cover intrastate sales as well-so all purchasers buying guns online must undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• As under current law, background checks are performed by licensed dealers, and recordkeeping will not change-dealers will keep the records in bound books, like they do now. The federal government cannot keep records.
• Our bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry—a felony punishable by 15 years in prison.
• As under current law, temporary transfers do not require background checks, so, for example, you can loan your hunting rifle to your buddy without any new restrictions or requirements.
• As under current law, transfers between family, friends, and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor, your coworker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check.
• Our bill also fixes problems in current law that unfairly limit the Second Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners by:
o Allowing interstate handgun sales from licensed dealers. Outdated current law only allows interstate sales of rifles and shotguns. This will bring more sales into the background check system.
o Allowing active military to buy firearms in their home states and the state in which they are stationed. Current law restricts them to purchasing only from their duty station.
o Allowing dealer-to-dealer sales at gun shows taking place in a state in which they are not a resident. Currently these sales are only permitted for dealers from the same state in which the gun show is being held.
o Protecting sellers from lawsuits if the buyer is cleared through the expanded background checks system and the weapon is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
o Authorizing the use of a state concealed carry permit that has been issued within the last five years in lieu of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer because background checks are required to receive conceal carry permits.

And here we have the easily bypassed aspects of this law if you are a criminal...

• Our bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry—a felony punishable by 15 years in prison.

So...the federal government will simply mandate that the states do this...or the feds will withhold various federal funding from those states that do not.........

• As under current law, transfers between family, friends, and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor, your coworker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check.

And then the next killing will happen where a family member, who passed a background check, lends a gun to a gang member family member...stating to police..."I didn't know he was a felon" or "I didn't know I couldn't lend him that gun that he used in the drive by" and the gun grabbers will come back to seal that new "Loophole."


They give us a few things so we put the noose around our necks...makes it easier to tighten the noose when they come back for more......

 

[Bfgrn]

True, as a general threat to Liberty and because it could be used as an engine of oppression by a President / usurper / tyrant.

True, when the state is acting within its constitutional limits. A government that is operating within the principles of its establishment shall enjoy the protections of the Constitution including prosecution of citizens for the crimes of sedition, treason and insurrection (and terrorist acts).

Wrong. A government that has violated the principles of its establishment and exceeded the express powers granted to it, is no longer --- the government established by the Constitution --- it is something else, something foreign and is not to be afforded the protections of the compact it is violating. That now illegitimate government is subject to the people rescinding their consent to be governed and reclaiming the powers the people originally conferred.

If this de-powering cannot be done peacefully, then circumstances demand, "the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, . . . ", employing the fully retained, forever held out from the powers of government, "right of the people to keep and bear arms".

You were amused reading Federalist 29 without recognizing that the same fear (engine of oppression, etc.) held for "standing armies" was felt for the militia UNDER THE COMMAND AND CONTROL OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT . . . "apprehend danger from the militia itself, in the hands of the federal government."

Federalist 29 was written to rebut the opposition to Art I, §8, cl. 16 granting the federal government powers over the state's militias. The state's didn't want a standing army and hey disn't want their militias to be under the command and control oF the federal government, FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS.

As I said, you are just too smart for your own good; you know so much you can't even comprehend what you are reading. You should have been laughing at yourself for believing the anti-gun revisionist history that "our Founding Fathers never imagined a well-armed citizenry to keep the American government itself in check" . . . As I said, Federalist 29 has nothing except butt-hurt for anti-liberty people like you.

Arrogance that springs from abject ignorance is annoying; arrogance that springs from purposeful misrepresentation and deception to serve an anti-constitution political agenda, is offensive and despicable.


.

Like I said before, liberals of our founder's generation had fear filled conservatives to deal with, just like today. Always creating monsters...

And, when the Federalists was authored, there was no Constitution. That was the purpose OF the Federalists.

How idiotic. Lol. What a completely idiotic thing to say.

There is no secret that conservatism is based on fear.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety.
H. L. Mencken

Yeah, sure. It is not FEAR to acknowledge the truth. In fact, I would say that you liberals are in fear. You fear your fellow Americans. You are also not very bright, wanting to arm a rogue country with nukes. This is not based in FEAR but in common sense.

There is even scientific proof...

Study: Conservatives Have Larger 'Fear Centers' in Their Brains

Political opinions are considered choices, and in Western democracies the right to choose one's opinions -- freedom of conscience -- is considered sacrosanct.

But recent studies suggest that our brains and genes may be a major determining factor in the views we hold.

A study at University College London in the UK has found that conservatives' brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other "primitive" emotions. At the same time, conservatives' brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate -- the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.

If the study is confirmed, it could give us the first medical explanation for why conservatives tend to be more receptive to threats of terrorism, for example, than liberals. And it may help to explain why conservatives like to plan based on the worst-case scenario, while liberals tend towards rosier outlooks.

Do you support background checks if they would require registration of firearms and their owners?

do you support background checks if they require you to perform them to give a gun to a relative or friend?

Do you support background checks of it means you can no longer loan guns to friends and family without a background check?

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act

Our bill does three major things: 1) expands the existing background check system to cover commercial sales, including sales at gun shows and internet sales; 2) strengthens the existing instant check system by encouraging states to put all their available records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS); 3) establishes a National Commission on Mass Violence to study in-depth all the causes of mass violence in our country.

1. Leveling the playing field for gun sales:
• Under current law, if you buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to undergo a background check by that dealer. But you can go to a nondealer table at the gun show, or into the parking lot, and buy a gun without a background check.

o Our bill ensures that anyone buying a gun at a gun show has to undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• Under current law, if you buy a gun online interstate (from one state to another), the gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer, you must go to that dealer and get a background check before you purchase the gun. However, for intrastate (in the same state) sales, no background check is required and you can sell the gun to the person without ever meeting face-to-face.

o Our bill requires that the current system for interstate sales be expanded to cover intrastate sales as well-so all purchasers buying guns online must undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• As under current law, background checks are performed by licensed dealers, and recordkeeping will not change-dealers will keep the records in bound books, like they do now. The federal government cannot keep records.
• Our bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry—a felony punishable by 15 years in prison.
• As under current law, temporary transfers do not require background checks, so, for example, you can loan your hunting rifle to your buddy without any new restrictions or requirements.
• As under current law, transfers between family, friends, and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor, your coworker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check.
• Our bill also fixes problems in current law that unfairly limit the Second Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners by:
o Allowing interstate handgun sales from licensed dealers. Outdated current law only allows interstate sales of rifles and shotguns. This will bring more sales into the background check system.
o Allowing active military to buy firearms in their home states and the state in which they are stationed. Current law restricts them to purchasing only from their duty station.
o Allowing dealer-to-dealer sales at gun shows taking place in a state in which they are not a resident. Currently these sales are only permitted for dealers from the same state in which the gun show is being held.
o Protecting sellers from lawsuits if the buyer is cleared through the expanded background checks system and the weapon is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
o Authorizing the use of a state concealed carry permit that has been issued within the last five years in lieu of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer because background checks are required to receive conceal carry permits.

How dumb are you....again...80% of illegal guns easily get past the background check for licensed dealers.....either by having friends and family guy the gun because they can pass even a universal background check, or because the guns are stolen and do not undergo any background check..........so your dumb idea for a universal background check is defeated before it even begins.........

Over 90% of Americans think you are dumb...I KNOW you are. You are making excuses for criminals and murderers.

Hey pea brain, why have ANY laws. Someone will break them so why bother?

 

[pismoe]

so you are just another gun controller ehh BFG !!

 

[Bfgrn]

so you are just another gun controller ehh BFG !!

So common sense gun laws must be stopped, eh pismoe?

I support the right to bear arms to protect yourself, your family and your property, but unless I advocate NO gun laws, I am a gun grabber?

PLEASE tell me what gun control laws YOU support?

 

[pismoe]

hey BFG , first some good news for you and the board and I think its Kansas , gov of Kansas has said that he will sign a law that supports Constitutional carry rather than Shall Issue Carry . This good news follows with a link , --- Gov. Sam Brownback to sign bill allowing unlicensed conceal-carry CJOnline.com --- as far as what do I support , I suppose that I'd like to see gun laws as they were about 200 years ago .

 

[pismoe]

and yeah , you are a gun controller in my opinion BFG !!