Who REALLY has Apartheid?

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    The Church in Saudi Arabia is living under the most difficult circumstances. The regime has declared the entire Arabian peninsula 'Haram,' forbidden to all other religions, and it is enforcing this prohibition strictly.

    Freedom of religion does not exist.
    The Government prohibits the practice of other religions, be it in Public or in Private.
    Saudi law states that no churches may be built north of Yemen and south of Jordan.

    It is impossible for foreigners to visit Saudi Arabia as tourists. One can only enter the kingdom on business visa (i.e. on the invitation of a company already active in the country), or as a Muslim pilgrim.
    The survey of problems and needs of the Church in Saudi Arabia is completely determined by the total prohibition of any religion but Islam.

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    1. Heavy surveillance of Saudi society by the Mutawwa'in and the Ministry of the Interior

    The Saudi religious police (Mutawwa'in) is practically omnipresent in Saudi Arabia. Their power is almost limitless. The Mutawwa'in have special prisons where they torture their victims. Their behaviour is often ruthless. Their aim is to ascertain that all citizens (and expatriates) adhere to strict Islamic legislation.

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    On daily life

    The Mutawwa'in control every aspect of daily life. They patrol the streets in their cars, check in shops if women are dressed according to Islamic dress codes, see that all shops are closed during prayer times, watch that no signs of other religions are visible, etc

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    Systematic Discrimination based on Sex and Religion are Built into Saudi law.
    By religious law and social custom, women have the right to own property and are entitled to financial support from their husbands or male relatives. However, women have few political and social rights and are not treated as equal members of society.
    There are no active women's rights groups, nor would one be tolerated by the Government. Women, including foreigners, may not legally drive motor vehicles or ride bicycles and are restricted in their use of public facilities when men are present. Women must enter city buses by separate rear entrances and sit in specially designated sections. Women risk arrest by the Mutawwa'in for riding in a vehicle driven by a male who is not an employee or a close male relative. Women are not admitted to a hospital for medical treatment without the consent of their male relative(s). By law and custom, women may not undertake domestic and foreign travel alone.

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    On media and telecommunications

    The law severely limits freedom of Speech and Press. The authorities do not countenance criticism of Islam, the ruling family, of the government. Persons whose criticism align with an organised political opposition are subject to arrest and detention until they confess their crime or sign a statement promising not to resume such criticisms, which is tantamount to a confession.."

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    Where is David2004 when you need him. :poke:
     
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    It's not surprising to see any of the above implemented within a THEOCRACY.
     
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    Political situation

    Saudi Arabia is a monarchy without elected representative institutions or political parties. It is ruled by King Fahd bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud, a son of King Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud, who unified the country in the early 20th century. The King and the Crown Prince are chosen from among the male descendants of King Abd Al-Aziz. There is no written constitution.
    There is no concept of the separation of state and religion. The Government enforces adherence to the precepts of a rigorously conservative form of Islam - a position that enjoys near-consensus support among Saudi citizens...."


    Human rights

    There is an almost total lack of freedoms in Saudi Arabia. The government commits or tolerates serious abuses. Aspects of the law Prohibit or Restrict freedoms of speech, press, assembly, and association.
    There is systematic Discrimination against women, and strict limitations, and even suppression, of the rights of workers and of Ethnic and Religious minorities.
    Ministry of Interior officers allegedly abused prisoners and facilitated incommunicado detention in contradiction of Saudi law, but with the acquiescence of the Government.

    Arbitrary arrest and prolonged detention are problems, as well as Violence against women. There is no mechanism for citizens to change their government. Since the death of King Abd Al-Aziz, the King and Crown Prince have been chosen from among his sons, who themselves have had preponderant influence in the choice. A 1992 royal decree reserves for the King exclusive power to name the Crown Prince.
    The government bases its legitimacy on governance according to Islamic law. The government disagrees with internationally accepted definitions of human rights and views Islamic law as the only necessary guide to protect human rights.

    Among the limitation of freedoms is the fact that you cannot even decide for yourself which radio or television station you would like to watch: it is forbidden to have a dish antenna in Saudi Arabia, but many possess a dish antenna anyway. Amnesty International, which is not particularly popular in Saudi Arabia, is constantly accusing the country of violating human rights. In 1993 80 people were killed by receiving the death penalty. There was no change in the practice in 1994, when 'only' 59 people were executed. The 1995 total was considerably higher than that (191). There were twice as many Non-Saudis Executed as Saudis.

    The juridical system is based upon the Shariah law, and one could call it Medieval. Should you be arrested in Saudi Arabia, you'd better forget about human rights.


    The Government does not permit visits by international human rights groups or independent monitoring groups, nor has it signed major international human rights treaties and conventions. The Government disagrees with internationally accepted definitions of human rights and views Islamic law as the only necessary guide to protect human rights. Citations of Saudi human rights abuses by international monitors or foreign governments are routinely ignored or condemned by the Government as assaults on Islam..."

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    It's no secret that Saudi Arabia is one of the most fundamentalist terror states in the world. It's government makes Iran look like Belgium. But it's a staunch US client state who knows what's good for it, so I don't see any way it's going to change except through revolution.
     
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    Playboy, Hustler and Private or their equivalents will probably be sold in Mecca some centuries from now, Sunni.

    There'll be no place for religious superstition in any future government that will rule the highly advanced scientific/technological society our species is heading too.

    By then, America will be long gone as a country but her ideals will have triumphed and arabs won't even try to understand the medieval mindset of some of their 21th century ancestors.

    In the long run, no amount of patchwork can save this sinking ship known as muslim theocracy from its appointment with the dustbin of history.

    You're a big guy, Sunni... get over it.
     
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    It is their Country. Their laws. Personally I think the west should do to Islam what it does to the west. You want to immigrate to Europe or the US you have to renounce the Muslim faith and it can not be practiced in those countries. When Muslim Countries cease their religious bigotry then the west will too.
     
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    Actually, Saudia Arabia is the only Islamic country to ban churches and synagogues.

    Every other Islamic country I can think of allows both Christians and Jews to build their houses of worship and practice their religion.

    Saudi Arabia is going against both the Quran and Muhammad's teaching by enforcing such a restriction.

    Even Muhammad himself allowed both churches and synagogues in both Mecca and Medina. The two most holy cities in Islam. He even allowed both Christians and Jews to use his Mosque in Mecca to hold their religious services when needed.

    Saudi Arabia is wrong in not allowing both Christians and Jews to worship in the Arabian peninsula. So please don't blame all Muslims and all other Islamic countries for their unIslamic behavior.
     
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    European secularism finally ended Europe's religious wars and secularism in the arab world will eventually defeat militant Islam.

    It's not the West that must adopt totalitarian, theocratic traits such as prohibiting a given religion. It is the Arab world that must be exposed to the 21th century open societies of the West in order to weaken the totalitarian religious ideologies sponsored by Saudi Arabia, Iran, Al Quaeda, Hamas etc...

    So your medicine is even worse than the disease, Sargeant.

    I hope you're feeling fine, btw : )
     
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    In reality, the reverse is true.

    As Islam comes more into contact with the West. The stronger Islam becomes.

    New mosques are being built all over europe and america on an almost daily basis. Plus westeners are converting to Islam is record numbers.

    Secularism has proved to be a hollow and bankrupt philosophy that leads to cultural and moral decline. Islam fills that vacuum with a universal system that is attracting the masses.
     

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