montelatici
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So finally an Israel Firster confirms that the land was stolen from the rightful non-Jewish owners by the Jews, but that since Israel rules it now, the land is Israel's. So, you can dislike the fact that the non-Jews who were dispossessed are fighting to get their land back, but if you don't accept their right to use any means to get their land back, conflict, rockets, demographics, outside support through sanctions and BDS, etc., be my guest at making your lives miserable over it.
You are amazing. Not a word over all the stolen Muslim lands conquered by force where the indigenous populations were forced to convert, leave or be killed. Only criticism of Israel for regaining their land by a legal & ethical vote of the member nations of the UN in 1948.
So tell us, how are they treating you on the funny farm?
1. When were these "stolen Muslim lands conquered by force"? And, are the indigenous people under occupation? Are the Berbers under occupation in North Africa, for example. In any case, much of the Arab conquests were achieved through treaties.
"According to the traditional accounts, much of the Arab conquests was achieved by treaty
and we have texts of many of these agreements. Here, for example, is the treaty that was made by
the Caliph Umar with Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem, probably 638:........"
2. As far as forced conversion, well you are one of the less "reflective" (i.e. dumb) people the paper is talking about:
"The idea that Islam was spread by the sword has had wide currency at many diffrenet
times and the impression is still widespread among the less reflective sections of the media and
the wider public that people converted to Islam because they were forced to do so..."
http://www.yale.edu/macmillan/rps/kennedy.pdf
If there had been forced conversion, wouldn't Spain be Muslim today. LOL
Golly gee, I wonder whatever happened to the indigenous Zoroastrians of Iran? Please eduacte us with your unbiased wisdom. Heh Heh!
They converted to Islam. What do you think happened to them?
How do ya like that? The Zoroastrians of Iran converted to Islam during the Muslim invasion to steal their land. And here I actually believed the the majoriity of the several million Zoroastrians were massacred by the Muslims or fled to India for a safe haven to become the Parsis.
I tell ya there is so much for us to learn from Monte. And so much fun doing so. Heh Heh!
The History of Zoroastrians after Arab Invasion Alien in Their Homeland CAIS
No, most Zoroastrians converted t Islam. as was the case for Christians of the Middle East and North Africa. Why would it have been any different in Iran? Rather than linking silly websites read some scholarly history. Bernard Lewis is
""Arab Muslims conquests have been variously seen in Iran: by some as a blessing, the advent of the true faith, the end of the age of ignorance and heathenism; by others as a humiliating national defeat, the conquest and subjugation of the country by foreign invaders. Both perceptions are of course valid, depending on one's angle of vision… Iran was indeed Islamized, but it was not Arabized. Persians remained Persians. And after an interval of silence, Iran reemerged as a separate, different and distinctive element within Islam, eventually adding a new element even to Islam itself. Culturally, politically, and most remarkable of all even religiously, the Iranian contribution to this new Islamic civilization is of immense importance. The work of Iranians can be seen in every field of cultural endeavor, including Arabic poetry, to which poets of Iranian origin composing their poems in Arabic made a very significant contribution. In a sense, Iranian Islam is a second advent of Islam itself, a new Islam sometimes referred to as Islam-i Ajam. It was this Persian Islam, rather than the original Arab Islam, that was brought to new areas and new peoples: to the Turks, first in Central Asia and then in the Middle East in the country which came to be called Turkey, and of course to India. The Ottoman Turks brought a form of Iranian civilization to the walls of Vienna."
Bernard Lewis
Muslim conquest of Persia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia