Who, exactly, is "breaking up the family" when illegal aliens with US-born kids get deported?

It's a pretty common scenario today. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?


It's simply asking who is responsible for the separation of family when one commits a crime and gets sent to jail. Get caught stealing or selling drugs and go to jail. Laws are laws. The person breaking the law, and knowing the potential consequences, takes full blame.

They do seem to use their children as a means of getting access to our welfare system. I would bet that most of them wouldn't have as many children as they do if they had stayed in their own country. The anchor babies give them the means to collect welfare and they use them to play the victim when it's time for deportation. Oh, the meanies want them to answer for their actions so it's the fault of our laws, not the fact that they went through the trouble of breaking them.

While illegals themselves are not supposed to have access to welfare benefits, their children do and that means they benefit because the parents are given the money and food stamps. Top that with the fact that many work and get paid under the table and it's clear that the incentive for sneaking in illegally is a lucrative venture. Billions get sent back to Mexico, which is why the government is making threats against us for building the wall.
 
It's simply asking who is responsible for the separation of family when one commits a crime and gets sent to jail. Get caught stealing or selling drugs and go to jail. Laws are laws. The person breaking the law, and knowing the potential consequences, takes full blame.
Exactly.

But every now and then, some liberal open-borders fanatic decides to try and see if anybody remembers how solidly this argument was made, and starts the old meme of "The authorities are splitting up families!", as if it hadn't already been debunked many times.

For example: Decent Denver man being ripped from his wife & kids over archaic immigration policy
 
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The ammendment should be changed.

One of the parent have to be American for the kids to be american. No other country in the world recognizes anyone born on their soil as a citizen of that country.

That ammendment was put in for the kids of former slaves to make sure they were recognized as American citizens. It's done its job. They need to change the ammenedment to apply to today.

If they changed the Ammendment it would do away with all anchor babies and save the taxpayers a bundle.
False.

Germany - I know for a FACT - recognizes anyone born on their soil as being a German citizen. My son is a German citizen because he was born there even though we are both Americans.

Not according to Wikipedia.

In other words, one usually acquires German citizenship if a parent is a German citizen, irrespective of place of birth, or by birth in Germany to parents with foreign nationality if certain requirements are fulfilled.

Certain requirements must be met unlike the US where you are automatically a US citizen if born here.
 
The ammendment should be changed.

One of the parent have to be American for the kids to be american. No other country in the world recognizes anyone born on their soil as a citizen of that country.

That ammendment was put in for the kids of former slaves to make sure they were recognized as American citizens. It's done its job. They need to change the ammenedment to apply to today.

If they changed the Ammendment it would do away with all anchor babies and save the taxpayers a bundle.
False.

Germany - I know for a FACT - recognizes anyone born on their soil as being a German citizen. My son is a German citizen because he was born there even though we are both Americans.

Not according to Wikipedia.

In other words, one usually acquires German citizenship if a parent is a German citizen, irrespective of place of birth, or by birth in Germany to parents with foreign nationality if certain requirements are fulfilled.

Certain requirements must be met unlike the US where you are automatically a US citizen if born here.
you are a citizen if born here, IF AND ONLY IF, you are not born by a Foreign Ambassador....etc.


WE TOO have CERTAIN Requirements!
 
The ammendment should be changed.

One of the parent have to be American for the kids to be american. No other country in the world recognizes anyone born on their soil as a citizen of that country.

That ammendment was put in for the kids of former slaves to make sure they were recognized as American citizens. It's done its job. They need to change the ammenedment to apply to today.

If they changed the Ammendment it would do away with all anchor babies and save the taxpayers a bundle.
False.

Germany - I know for a FACT - recognizes anyone born on their soil as being a German citizen. My son is a German citizen because he was born there even though we are both Americans.

Not according to Wikipedia.

In other words, one usually acquires German citizenship if a parent is a German citizen, irrespective of place of birth, or by birth in Germany to parents with foreign nationality if certain requirements are fulfilled.

Certain requirements must be met unlike the US where you are automatically a US citizen if born here.
you are a citizen if born here, IF AND ONLY IF, you are not born to a Foreign Ambassador....etc.


WE TOO have CERTAIN Requirements!

Doesn't alter the fact that anyone born here, if not the child of an ambassador, is recognized as a US citizen. Pretty big plate we give anyone born here.

I think you will find that the ambassador rule you speak of is the same for all ambassadors in all countries not just the US and the country the ambassador belongs to probably set that rule for their ambassadors.
 
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There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
* illegal aliens

I refuse to call them anything else...
There is no such terminology as "illegal alien" in U.S. or international law.
 
There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
* illegal aliens

I refuse to call them anything else...
There is no such terminology as "illegal alien" in U.S. or international law.
Another equally as stupid post!!!
 
The ammendment should be changed.

One of the parent have to be American for the kids to be american. No other country in the world recognizes anyone born on their soil as a citizen of that country.

That ammendment was put in for the kids of former slaves to make sure they were recognized as American citizens. It's done its job. They need to change the ammenedment to apply to today.

If they changed the Ammendment it would do away with all anchor babies and save the taxpayers a bundle.
False.

Germany - I know for a FACT - recognizes anyone born on their soil as being a German citizen. My son is a German citizen because he was born there even though we are both Americans.

Not according to Wikipedia.

In other words, one usually acquires German citizenship if a parent is a German citizen, irrespective of place of birth, or by birth in Germany to parents with foreign nationality if certain requirements are fulfilled.

Certain requirements must be met unlike the US where you are automatically a US citizen if born here.
That is nice.

Wikipedia is wrong then. Having had a son born on the German economy, I know that simply being born there means that my son is granted citizenship. There may be some German law that differentiates between lawful and unlawful presence in the country but even that is rather suspect when Germany essentially has open borders.
 
It's a pretty common scenario today. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

I believe you're talking about the man in Denver who is a flooring contractor?
Colorado immigrant advocates say arrest of Arturo Hernandez Garcia is an affront to sanctuary movement – The Denver Post
Bill introduced to air Arturo Hernandez Garcia

It doesn't matter--you can rant & rave all day long from here to eternity--we will be supporting his American born kids. We will not punish American born kids for their parents actions. They are not at fault.

They are entitled to Child Support being born in this country. Child support is mandatory in this country. With their father being sent to Mexico and the peso at 22 to 1 American dollar makes it virtually impossible for him to support a family here. Child support for two kids is going to be at least $600.00 per month or higher, and they will get medical, dental and everything else you can shake a stick at.

As far as who's fault is it? Republicans who have blocked every single immigration reform bill that has been put in front of them since 2010. Marco Rubio came up with one in 2012-2013 and Republicans refused to even look at it.

So your options are:
1. Give this man a green card so he can continue to support his family or
2. Kick 1 working man out and support his kids until they're 18 years old.


Anchor babies--aka the 14th amendment: To repeal or change an amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires 2/3's of the senate, 2/3's of the house and then has to be ratified by 38 state legislatures. The odds of that ever happening are less than Zero. You'll note it has nothing to do with who the President is, or the U.S. Supreme Court.

Separating families is not right, nor would Jesus Christ approve of it. What we need is immigration reform NOW, to insure that people who are working in this country are paying into Social Security/Medicare and their share of Federal & State taxes. To delay this bill, only insures that there will be more train wrecks like this one.
 
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The ammendment should be changed.

One of the parent have to be American for the kids to be american. No other country in the world recognizes anyone born on their soil as a citizen of that country.

That ammendment was put in for the kids of former slaves to make sure they were recognized as American citizens. It's done its job. They need to change the ammenedment to apply to today.

If they changed the Ammendment it would do away with all anchor babies and save the taxpayers a bundle.
False.

Germany - I know for a FACT - recognizes anyone born on their soil as being a German citizen. My son is a German citizen because he was born there even though we are both Americans.

Not according to Wikipedia.

In other words, one usually acquires German citizenship if a parent is a German citizen, irrespective of place of birth, or by birth in Germany to parents with foreign nationality if certain requirements are fulfilled.

Certain requirements must be met unlike the US where you are automatically a US citizen if born here.
That is nice.

Wikipedia is wrong then. Having had a son born on the German economy, I know that simply being born there means that my son is granted citizenship. There may be some German law that differentiates between lawful and unlawful presence in the country but even that is rather suspect when Germany essentially has open borders.

Children born on or after 1 January 2000 to non-German parents acquire German citizenship at birth if at least one parent: has a permanent residence permit and. has been residing in Germany for at least eight years.

German nationality law - Wikipedia
 
It's a pretty common scenario today. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

I believe you're talking about the man in Denver who is a flooring contractor?
Colorado immigrant advocates say arrest of Arturo Hernandez Garcia is an affront to sanctuary movement – The Denver Post
Bill introduced to air Arturo Hernandez Garcia

It doesn't matter--you can rant & rave all day long from here to eternity--we will be supporting his American born kids. We will not punish American born kids for their parents actions. They are not at fault.

They are entitled to Child Support being born in this country. Child support is mandatory in this country. With their father being sent to Mexico and the peso at 22 to 1 American dollar makes it virtually impossible for him to support a family here. Child support for two kids is going to be at least $600.00 per month or higher, and they will get medical, dental and everything else you can shake a stick at.

As far as who's fault is it? Republicans who have blocked every single immigration reform bill that has been put in front of them since 2010. Marco Rubio came up with one in 2012-2013 and Republicans refused to even look at it.

So your options are:
1. Give this man a green card so he can continue to support his family or
2. Kick 1 working man out and support his kids until they're 18 years old.


Anchor babies--aka the 14th amendment: To repeal or change an amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires 2/3's of the senate, 2/3's of the house and then has to be ratified by 38 state legislatures. The odds of that ever happening are less than Zero. You'll note it has nothing to do with who the President is, or the U.S. Supreme Court.

Separating families is not right, nor would Jesus Christ approve of it. What we need is immigration reform NOW, to insure that people who are working in this country are paying into Social Security/Medicare and their share of Federal & State taxes. To delay this bill, only insures that there will be more train wrecks like this one.
So your options are:
1. Give this man a green card so he can continue to support his family or
2. Kick 1 working man out and support his kids until they're 18 years old.
3. he takes his family with him
 
There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
Anyone who calls another member of USMessageBoard "punk" does not deserve a reply.

Answer the question or will you tell me it is none of my business?
 
There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
* illegal aliens

I refuse to call them anything else...
There is no such terminology as "illegal alien" in U.S. or international law.
/---- What's your point? There is no such thing as an Assault Weapon in Government or Industry classification but that doesn't stop Gun Grabbing Libtards from using it.
ar15_1.jpg
 
It's a pretty common scenario today. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
what happens to the kids when these parents get arrested and go to jail for any other crime? Why is this such a fking mystery? It happens almost daily in our country to citizens.
 
There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
Anyone who calls another member of USMessageBoard "punk" does not deserve a reply.

Answer the question or will you tell me it is none of my business?
The question as to how many undocumented immigrants I put up in my home is hardly relevant to the topic of who is breaking-up migrant families if a parent of American children is deported by the government. Trump supporters take a callous delight in seeing an American child's daddy arrested as he takes his daughter to school. Such is the make up of sociopaths.
 
There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
Anyone who calls another member of USMessageBoard "punk" does not deserve a reply.

Answer the question or will you tell me it is none of my business?
The question as to how many undocumented immigrants I put up in my home is hardly relevant to the topic of who is breaking-up migrant families if a parent of American children is deported by the government. Trump supporters take a callous delight in seeing an American child's daddy arrested as he takes his daughter to school. Such is the make up of sociopaths.

Is it any different than seeing a man or woman being sentenced to prison for 10-20 years, possibly life?
 
There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?
Anyone who calls another member of USMessageBoard "punk" does not deserve a reply.

Answer the question or will you tell me it is none of my business?
The question as to how many undocumented immigrants I put up in my home is hardly relevant to the topic of who is breaking-up migrant families if a parent of American children is deported by the government. Trump supporters take a callous delight in seeing an American child's daddy arrested as he takes his daughter to school. Such is the make up of sociopaths.
/--- Hildabeast supporters take callous delight in illegals flooding our country, taking jobs from US Citizens, smuggling in and selling drugs, raping and killing innocent people and destroying the American culture all in the name of diversity.
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The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.
 

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