Who cuts Medicare and wants to cut more? Obama, of course...

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    "It's an untenable position to say we're not going to do anything on Medicare and Medicaid when that's one of the biggest drivers of our budget deficit."

    "Democrats are saying, "No, we can't do that. And now the president, after telling Boehner he would do that, is going out on the campaign trail saying those bad Republicans want to cut Medicare."


    Bob Woodward: 'Obama Is Proposing Cutting Medicare' | NewsBusters.org
     
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    Obama is cutting what is paid to doctors. He is cutting waste. He is providing oversight so that doctors and hospitals abide by best practices rather than profit making measures.

    I have personally had 3 expensive MRI's for the identical reason so that 3 different doctors could each charge Medicare - but Blue Cross turned down paying for the second two. Why should Medicare have to pay because every little burg and doctor group has their own machine? It should not.

    The patient cannot refuse the procedure or the practice dumps them and they have to find another MD very quickly or go unmedicated. That's lovely for an 85 year old, huh.

    Ryan and Romney promise vouchers if you don't want to stay on Medicare. But they will drain Medicare dry by 2016 so everyone will get vouchers - including the over 55's. R&R are lying to now.

    So it is a matter of controlling doctors and hospitals (Obama) or 3 years and Medicare dies altogether for everyone. (Romney). THAT is the real choice here.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/opinion/Krugman.html


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    Spoken like a true statist.

    Only a progressive loon would propose that paying doctors is "waste". It's because you don't give a shit if health care is rationed, and people die.

    Cuz it's good when people die.
     
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    Efficiency is not statism, it is progressivism and good business practice. Reducing payments will induce better practices by doctors. Ryan is making noises of doing the same. Is that statism? Do you know just what is statism, koshergrl?
     
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    Someone gives you facts and you just plug your stupid ears.

    God damnit do we need to flush people like you right out of this country.

    I want my country back.
     
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    So you support Obama, then, Koshergirl? Because from the sound of it, he will actually reduce federal spending on Medicare more than Romney. And you are for that, right?
     
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    Pay is also a loose term here. Medicare dictates to the patient and any other healthcare coverage that person has (yes, some do), how much that company can pay as well. Know what really helps control healthcare costs? COPAYS and DEDUCTABLES.
     
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    What part of lip service from Obama did you miss loon?
     
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    Cutting medicare is cutting medicare.

    The statist mantra..."We're just cutting what they pay the HOSPITALS...we're just cutting what they pay the DOCTORS...cuz THAT is waste"...that is cutting medicare still. And all the while they scream that Republicans are going to cut medicare...while they're doing it already as fast as they possibly can. $716 billion so far...

    Well Medicare pays doctors and hospitals. So when you cut what you pay them, they crunch down on what they do for patients.

    And in fact, the way they are addressing this is to schedule their patients for more NON-COVERED stuff, and cut down on their medicare patient quotas.

    Which results in higher medical costs, and more difficulty finding a doctor, for medicare patients.
     
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    Indeed koshergrl, Medicaid and Medicare are quickly leading to a two-tiered healthcare system in the US.
     

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