Who are the Israelis?

[rylah]

Rabbi Elnatan Hurvitz HY"D

Elnatan (Eli), son of Moshe, born in Kfar Ra'eh, where his father served as rabbi at the Bnei Akiva Yeshiva, on the 22nd of Av 5761 (31 August 1951). A few months later, the family moved to the United States. He grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, where his father served as school principal and rabbi of the Jewish community. When he was 16, Eli returned to Israel alone. After returning to Israel he lived with relatives in Kibbutz Hulata in the Hula Valley. During this period he became very attached to the work of the land, and especially liked to work in growing flowers. (He said that once he dug a hole and entered it, to feel what a tree feels when it is planted). When he reached the age of conscription, Eli joined the IDF and served in the paratroopers. At that time, the entire Hurvitz family returned to Israel. At his parents' home, he met Dina, who was a pupil at his father's school in the United States. Later, when she came to study at a college in Israel, she often stayed at the family home. The relationship between the two was strong and loving from the start. Together they formed a special way of life, together re-establishing the love of life from the Torah. The wedding was on the 12th of Av 5736. Eli studied at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem at the time of Rabbi Zvi Yehuda Kook, and devoted himself entirely to clarifying the path by adhering to his teachers: Rabbi Oded Wolansky and Rabbi Tzvi Tau. To Eli And Dina had four children: Batsheva, Zvi, Nechama and Shulamit. The family moved to Kiryat Arba in 1984. Since then, Rabbi Eli has taught Torah in many places, including the Shavei Hevron Yeshiva, his main place of work, the Midreshet HaRova in Old Jerusalem, Mitzpe Ramon, Tel Aviv and Netzarim. In my spare time, Eli, with gold hands, was a lot of carpenters. Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was known for his moderate views, as well as for his devotion to Greater Israel. He disliked violence among Jews and Arabs alike, and did everything in his power to bridge the gap between the peoples and the camps, including in many meetings with members of the "Peace Generation".

On Friday evening, Wednesday, March 7, 2003, a group of terrorists infiltrated Kiryat Arba. They opened fire and wounded a woman. Then they broke into the house of the Hurvitz family during the Sabbath eve meal, chased the couple from among the rooms and shot Eli and his wife Dinah when they were standing hugged. The terrorists continued to fire, and one of them even detonated an explosive belt before they were liquidated in the kitchen of the house by the emergency squad that rushed to the place (whose members were Rabbi Eli's students). Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was 51 years old when he died. Survived by a son, three daughters and grandchildren. Was buried alongside his wife in the cemetery on Har HaMenuhot in Jerusalem. The family eulogized To their parents: "Rabbi Eli and Dina have the attribute of the patriarchs: boundless love for every person. Hundreds of people huddled in their shadows, consulting them on every issue. There was unlimited devotion to every person with every problem. Their house was open to everyone at any time. They lived their lives out of the Torah, and were able to open the Torah to the world of music, science and philosophy, but their art was the art of the soul, with a lot of humor!
The intense love between them radiated in all directions. Until their last day, they behaved like a young couple on a honeymoon, and so on Friday, on the eve of their death, when they walked together on the hill of thorams in the Valley of Elah and dipped in a sea of flowers".

Shavei Hevron Yeshiva

 

[rylah]

PM Netanyahu Meets with Leaders in the Arab World - Dr. Mordechai Kedar comments

Dr. Mordechai Kedar, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, Bar Ilan University is in ILTV studios speaking about Prime Minister Netanyahu and his statements that the meetings in Warsaw have been hailed as nothing less than historic.

 

[rylah]

Guests of the head of Gush Etzion Council, among whom are ministers and members of Knesset, are being photographed with signs showing their commitment to the vision of sovereignty.

Head of the Gush Etzion Council, Shlomo Ne'eman is continuing with his independent sovereignty campaign, which he initiated in recent weeks. Ne'eman asks ministers, members of Knesset and other guests to express their support for the sovereignty plan and be photographed with a sign stating this support.

Ne'eman explained in a published announcement that all guests who came for a visit in the council "have reiterated and emphasized the need for the application of sovereignty. It is clear to all that the goal of the next government to arise will be the application of Israeli sovereignty over all of Judea and Samaria".

Ne'eman continued, writing: "With the Almighty's help, in the next term we will be able to say the blessing for a deed successfully completed and put an end to military rule in Judea and Samaria."

Ne'eman's Campaign: In the Next Term – Sovereignty!

 

[Mindful]

I Am An Indigenist




The word “Zionist” comes from “Zion”, the term for Jerusalem as well as the Holy Land.

Nothing more, nothing less.

And “Zionism” is a movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel.

Nothing more, nothing less.

And it is central to Judaism.

Yet, the antisemites and Israel haters of the world have co-opted the term “Zionist” to imply something nefarious and racist. And much to my chagrin, they have been rather successful.

(They also successfully twisted the word “palestinian”, which used to also meansomething else entirely).

So I can either try to reclaim that title – an uphill battle – or use a new one.

I hereby declare I am an indigenist – I am a supporter of indigenous peoples, especially my own people the Jews, indigenous to the land of Israel.

I encourage my fellow Israel advocates and supporters of Israel to start using this term.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rabbi Elnatan Hurvitz HY"D

Elnatan (Eli), son of Moshe, born in Kfar Ra'eh, where his father served as rabbi at the Bnei Akiva Yeshiva, on the 22nd of Av 5761 (31 August 1951). A few months later, the family moved to the United States. He grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, where his father served as school principal and rabbi of the Jewish community. When he was 16, Eli returned to Israel alone. After returning to Israel he lived with relatives in Kibbutz Hulata in the Hula Valley. During this period he became very attached to the work of the land, and especially liked to work in growing flowers. (He said that once he dug a hole and entered it, to feel what a tree feels when it is planted). When he reached the age of conscription, Eli joined the IDF and served in the paratroopers. At that time, the entire Hurvitz family returned to Israel. At his parents' home, he met Dina, who was a pupil at his father's school in the United States. Later, when she came to study at a college in Israel, she often stayed at the family home. The relationship between the two was strong and loving from the start. Together they formed a special way of life, together re-establishing the love of life from the Torah. The wedding was on the 12th of Av 5736. Eli studied at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem at the time of Rabbi Zvi Yehuda Kook, and devoted himself entirely to clarifying the path by adhering to his teachers: Rabbi Oded Wolansky and Rabbi Tzvi Tau. To Eli And Dina had four children: Batsheva, Zvi, Nechama and Shulamit. The family moved to Kiryat Arba in 1984. Since then, Rabbi Eli has taught Torah in many places, including the Shavei Hevron Yeshiva, his main place of work, the Midreshet HaRova in Old Jerusalem, Mitzpe Ramon, Tel Aviv and Netzarim. In my spare time, Eli, with gold hands, was a lot of carpenters. Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was known for his moderate views, as well as for his devotion to Greater Israel. He disliked violence among Jews and Arabs alike, and did everything in his power to bridge the gap between the peoples and the camps, including in many meetings with members of the "Peace Generation".

On Friday evening, Wednesday, March 7, 2003, a group of terrorists infiltrated Kiryat Arba. They opened fire and wounded a woman. Then they broke into the house of the Hurvitz family during the Sabbath eve meal, chased the couple from among the rooms and shot Eli and his wife Dinah when they were standing hugged. The terrorists continued to fire, and one of them even detonated an explosive belt before they were liquidated in the kitchen of the house by the emergency squad that rushed to the place (whose members were Rabbi Eli's students). Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was 51 years old when he died. Survived by a son, three daughters and grandchildren. Was buried alongside his wife in the cemetery on Har HaMenuhot in Jerusalem. The family eulogized To their parents: "Rabbi Eli and Dina have the attribute of the patriarchs: boundless love for every person. Hundreds of people huddled in their shadows, consulting them on every issue. There was unlimited devotion to every person with every problem. Their house was open to everyone at any time. They lived their lives out of the Torah, and were able to open the Torah to the world of music, science and philosophy, but their art was the art of the soul, with a lot of humor!
The intense love between them radiated in all directions. Until their last day, they behaved like a young couple on a honeymoon, and so on Friday, on the eve of their death, when they walked together on the hill of thorams in the Valley of Elah and dipped in a sea of flowers".

Shavei Hevron Yeshiva

A victim of Israel's war.

 

[Hollie]

Rabbi Elnatan Hurvitz HY"D

Elnatan (Eli), son of Moshe, born in Kfar Ra'eh, where his father served as rabbi at the Bnei Akiva Yeshiva, on the 22nd of Av 5761 (31 August 1951). A few months later, the family moved to the United States. He grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, where his father served as school principal and rabbi of the Jewish community. When he was 16, Eli returned to Israel alone. After returning to Israel he lived with relatives in Kibbutz Hulata in the Hula Valley. During this period he became very attached to the work of the land, and especially liked to work in growing flowers. (He said that once he dug a hole and entered it, to feel what a tree feels when it is planted). When he reached the age of conscription, Eli joined the IDF and served in the paratroopers. At that time, the entire Hurvitz family returned to Israel. At his parents' home, he met Dina, who was a pupil at his father's school in the United States. Later, when she came to study at a college in Israel, she often stayed at the family home. The relationship between the two was strong and loving from the start. Together they formed a special way of life, together re-establishing the love of life from the Torah. The wedding was on the 12th of Av 5736. Eli studied at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem at the time of Rabbi Zvi Yehuda Kook, and devoted himself entirely to clarifying the path by adhering to his teachers: Rabbi Oded Wolansky and Rabbi Tzvi Tau. To Eli And Dina had four children: Batsheva, Zvi, Nechama and Shulamit. The family moved to Kiryat Arba in 1984. Since then, Rabbi Eli has taught Torah in many places, including the Shavei Hevron Yeshiva, his main place of work, the Midreshet HaRova in Old Jerusalem, Mitzpe Ramon, Tel Aviv and Netzarim. In my spare time, Eli, with gold hands, was a lot of carpenters. Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was known for his moderate views, as well as for his devotion to Greater Israel. He disliked violence among Jews and Arabs alike, and did everything in his power to bridge the gap between the peoples and the camps, including in many meetings with members of the "Peace Generation".

On Friday evening, Wednesday, March 7, 2003, a group of terrorists infiltrated Kiryat Arba. They opened fire and wounded a woman. Then they broke into the house of the Hurvitz family during the Sabbath eve meal, chased the couple from among the rooms and shot Eli and his wife Dinah when they were standing hugged. The terrorists continued to fire, and one of them even detonated an explosive belt before they were liquidated in the kitchen of the house by the emergency squad that rushed to the place (whose members were Rabbi Eli's students). Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was 51 years old when he died. Survived by a son, three daughters and grandchildren. Was buried alongside his wife in the cemetery on Har HaMenuhot in Jerusalem. The family eulogized To their parents: "Rabbi Eli and Dina have the attribute of the patriarchs: boundless love for every person. Hundreds of people huddled in their shadows, consulting them on every issue. There was unlimited devotion to every person with every problem. Their house was open to everyone at any time. They lived their lives out of the Torah, and were able to open the Torah to the world of music, science and philosophy, but their art was the art of the soul, with a lot of humor!
The intense love between them radiated in all directions. Until their last day, they behaved like a young couple on a honeymoon, and so on Friday, on the eve of their death, when they walked together on the hill of thorams in the Valley of Elah and dipped in a sea of flowers".

Shavei Hevron Yeshiva

A victim of Israel's war.

That doesn’t make sense when Islamic terrorists are the attackers.

 

[Mindful]

 

[Chiara]

I'm really surprised that half of Palestinians living in East Jerusalem would rather be Israeli citizens than Palestinian citizens. I've always thought they were more "nationalist"....

 

[rylah]

Rabbi Elnatan Hurvitz HY"D

Elnatan (Eli), son of Moshe, born in Kfar Ra'eh, where his father served as rabbi at the Bnei Akiva Yeshiva, on the 22nd of Av 5761 (31 August 1951). A few months later, the family moved to the United States. He grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, where his father served as school principal and rabbi of the Jewish community. When he was 16, Eli returned to Israel alone. After returning to Israel he lived with relatives in Kibbutz Hulata in the Hula Valley. During this period he became very attached to the work of the land, and especially liked to work in growing flowers. (He said that once he dug a hole and entered it, to feel what a tree feels when it is planted). When he reached the age of conscription, Eli joined the IDF and served in the paratroopers. At that time, the entire Hurvitz family returned to Israel. At his parents' home, he met Dina, who was a pupil at his father's school in the United States. Later, when she came to study at a college in Israel, she often stayed at the family home. The relationship between the two was strong and loving from the start. Together they formed a special way of life, together re-establishing the love of life from the Torah. The wedding was on the 12th of Av 5736. Eli studied at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem at the time of Rabbi Zvi Yehuda Kook, and devoted himself entirely to clarifying the path by adhering to his teachers: Rabbi Oded Wolansky and Rabbi Tzvi Tau. To Eli And Dina had four children: Batsheva, Zvi, Nechama and Shulamit. The family moved to Kiryat Arba in 1984. Since then, Rabbi Eli has taught Torah in many places, including the Shavei Hevron Yeshiva, his main place of work, the Midreshet HaRova in Old Jerusalem, Mitzpe Ramon, Tel Aviv and Netzarim. In my spare time, Eli, with gold hands, was a lot of carpenters. Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was known for his moderate views, as well as for his devotion to Greater Israel. He disliked violence among Jews and Arabs alike, and did everything in his power to bridge the gap between the peoples and the camps, including in many meetings with members of the "Peace Generation".

On Friday evening, Wednesday, March 7, 2003, a group of terrorists infiltrated Kiryat Arba. They opened fire and wounded a woman. Then they broke into the house of the Hurvitz family during the Sabbath eve meal, chased the couple from among the rooms and shot Eli and his wife Dinah when they were standing hugged. The terrorists continued to fire, and one of them even detonated an explosive belt before they were liquidated in the kitchen of the house by the emergency squad that rushed to the place (whose members were Rabbi Eli's students). Rabbi Eli Hurvitz was 51 years old when he died. Survived by a son, three daughters and grandchildren. Was buried alongside his wife in the cemetery on Har HaMenuhot in Jerusalem. The family eulogized To their parents: "Rabbi Eli and Dina have the attribute of the patriarchs: boundless love for every person. Hundreds of people huddled in their shadows, consulting them on every issue. There was unlimited devotion to every person with every problem. Their house was open to everyone at any time. They lived their lives out of the Torah, and were able to open the Torah to the world of music, science and philosophy, but their art was the art of the soul, with a lot of humor!
The intense love between them radiated in all directions. Until their last day, they behaved like a young couple on a honeymoon, and so on Friday, on the eve of their death, when they walked together on the hill of thorams in the Valley of Elah and dipped in a sea of flowers".

Shavei Hevron Yeshiva

A victim of Israel's war.

What does war have to do with it, Arabs have been murdering their Jewish neighbors long before they started using Israel as an excuse.

 

[Coyote]

RE: Who are the Israelis
⁜→ rylah, ILOVEISRAEL, et al,

I think it is great that a group of students would "promote sovereignty legislation in the Knesset and in the government." But I don't think it is the right time yet. But it should be thought about as one of the possible actions for the future.

Youth for Sovereignty revolution continues
The youth set up stands in other places in Jerusalem, Sderot, Tel Aviv, Kfar Saba, Haifa, Bet Shemesh, Hadera, Natanya, and more, where they distributed publicity material, flyers, and stickers containing the essence of the sovereignty initiative's political philosophy, also calling on Knesset Members and Ministers who already pledged allegiance to the principle of sovereignty to move from the declarative stage to the action stage and promote sovereignty legislation in the Knesset and in the government.

Read full article: Youth for Sovereignty revolution continues

Translation; No “ Right of Return “

(COMMENT)

Judea and Samaria!

◈ Eactly how large is that portion of the territories?

Or to be more thoughtful →​

◈ How much does that leave the Palestinians? ​

I think it is time for the Israelis to get-out-the map, draw the new lines. You will see immediately the conflict. And this is a conflict that the Israelis do not want.

◈ West Bank and Gaza Strip (the Occupiked Palestinian Territories) is ≈ 2401 sq mi.

◈ The is Judea and Samaria Area ≈ 2270 sq mi.​

Clearly, you see the problem here?

Just as the Hostile Arab Palestinians cannot ask for the unreasonable; so it is that the Israels cannot raise the unreason. So, we need to actually look at the magnitude of the suggested solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

When I looked up this movement it seems it has little room for the Arab residents of the region. One plan calls for creating 12 districts in such a way that none will have an Arab majority. Repeated frequently is the idea that sovereignty will erase the Palestinian identity and they will become "just Arabs". It seems to be a movement rooted in erasing the Palestinian identity, an irony coming from a group who themselves decry the erasure of identity.

 

[Shusha]

When I looked up this movement it seems it has little room for the Arab residents of the region. One plan calls for creating 12 districts in such a way that none will have an Arab majority. Repeated frequently is the idea that sovereignty will erase the Palestinian identity and they will become "just Arabs". It seems to be a movement rooted in erasing the Palestinian identity, an irony coming from a group who themselves decry the erasure of identity.

On the contrary, the movement is extremely conscious of its Arab residents and citizens under a sovereign Israel. In particular, it believes it can bring not only full equality but a freedom from the kind of corruption, poverty and incitement which has become normative under PA and Hamas rule.

Its not the erasure of Arab Palestinian identity -- its the acknowledgement of the failure of Arab Palestinian Nationalism and inability to form a State. Arab Palestinian nationalism has been an undeniable failure. They are simply unable to create a nation. Israel trading pieces of her homeland in exchange for a neighboring Arab Palestinian Nation was an apparently reasonable offer which has turned out to be a failure.

Arab Palestinians can absolutely keep and maintain their identity while living as citizens in a sovereign Israel. Witness Quebec and Scotland, as examples.

 

[rylah]

RE: Who are the Israelis
⁜→ rylah, ILOVEISRAEL, et al,

I think it is great that a group of students would "promote sovereignty legislation in the Knesset and in the government." But I don't think it is the right time yet. But it should be thought about as one of the possible actions for the future.

Youth for Sovereignty revolution continues
The youth set up stands in other places in Jerusalem, Sderot, Tel Aviv, Kfar Saba, Haifa, Bet Shemesh, Hadera, Natanya, and more, where they distributed publicity material, flyers, and stickers containing the essence of the sovereignty initiative's political philosophy, also calling on Knesset Members and Ministers who already pledged allegiance to the principle of sovereignty to move from the declarative stage to the action stage and promote sovereignty legislation in the Knesset and in the government.

Read full article: Youth for Sovereignty revolution continues

Translation; No “ Right of Return “

(COMMENT)

Judea and Samaria!

◈ Eactly how large is that portion of the territories?

Or to be more thoughtful →​

◈ How much does that leave the Palestinians? ​

I think it is time for the Israelis to get-out-the map, draw the new lines. You will see immediately the conflict. And this is a conflict that the Israelis do not want.

◈ West Bank and Gaza Strip (the Occupiked Palestinian Territories) is ≈ 2401 sq mi.

◈ The is Judea and Samaria Area ≈ 2270 sq mi.​

Clearly, you see the problem here?

Just as the Hostile Arab Palestinians cannot ask for the unreasonable; so it is that the Israels cannot raise the unreason. So, we need to actually look at the magnitude of the suggested solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

When I looked up this movement it seems it has little room for the Arab residents of the region. One plan calls for creating 12 districts in such a way that none will have an Arab majority. Repeated frequently is the idea that sovereignty will erase the Palestinian identity and they will become "just Arabs". It seems to be a movement rooted in erasing the Palestinian identity, an irony coming from a group who themselves decry the erasure of identity.

That is simply not true.
One of key aspect in the Sovereignty movement is integration of the Arab population in Judea into the Israeli society which already includes 20% Arabs. In fact supporters of the movement preset several legal options for the Arab community in Judea to chose from. The most common options discussed are:
(1) compensation if one can't live with Jews, (2) resident status, and (3) citizenship.

Now on the other hand what is this "Palestinian identity" if not a call for extinction of the only non-Arab nation in the entire region and denial of any independence to non-Muslims?
So yes it's definitely Israel's moral duty to say definite "No!" to another Arab demand for "no-Jews allowed" state that will jeopardize the future of both communities.

The irony here is that You support Israeli sovereignty over Judea, even opened a thread about the Emirate Solution as a viable option - but You will demonize the Israelis for expressing the same.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

In the real-world, → this is very much like a System of Equations that has no solution (no matter what value of "x" you pick), or an infinite number of solutions (no matter what value of "x" you pick). The political solution for the Israel - Palestinian Conflict and Territorial dispute is unsolvable in the current climate of understanding between the two citizenries.

When I looked up this movement it seems it has little room for the Arab residents of the region. One plan calls for creating 12 districts in such a way that none will have an Arab majority. Repeated frequently is the idea that sovereignty will erase the Palestinian identity and they will become "just Arabs". It seems to be a movement rooted in erasing the Palestinian identity, an irony coming from a group who themselves decry the erasure of identity.

(COMMENT)

The One-State Solution, no matter what value you pick: Results in either ⟴

◈ The Israelis assimulated into the Arab Palestinian (where the Israeli citizenship desolved) system of Governemnt and culture...

.............................. .......................... OR

◈ The Arab Palestinians assimulated (where the Arab Palestinian citizenship desolved) into the Israel system of Governemnt and culture...​

The Two-State Solution, no matter what value you pick: Results in either ⟴

◈ The Some area of territory exclusively Israeli... (With or without Jerusalem as their Capitol)

.............................. .......................... OR

◈ The Some area of territory exclusively Arab Palestinian... (With or without Jerusalem as their Capitol)​

Based on the policy of both sides, each stakes a claim for which the other side claims. The politically imaginary creation of an entirely new nationality - that is common to both sides, only delays the inevitable Civil War.

Although it is very easy to sit down at the typewriter and hammer out the creation of conditions in which both sides accept; "without" each side having a significant number of dissenters within their respective constituency, this is strictly imaginary. Such a solution existing only in the imagination of someone that is profoundly and intellectually disabled in terms of understanding the aspirations and beliefs that are embedded on both sides of the issue.

This is a quest for a real and workable solution → can only be found by the Tomb Raider on one side and the Relic Hunter on the other. It is just as elusive a political phantom that can only be put to the test in a Hollywood back lot.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Sovereignty Conference: What will be the status of the Arabs after the application of Sovereignty?

 

[rylah]

Yariv Levin - will he be 2nd after Netanyahu?

Yariv Gideon Levin born 22 June 1969 is an Israeli lawyer and politician. He currently serves as a member of Knesset for Likud, Minister of Tourism and Minister of Aliyah and Integration.

Levin was born in Jerusalem to Gail and Aryeh Levin, an Israel Prize laureate for linguistics, His mother's uncle, Eliyahu Lankin, was commander of the Altalena ship and member of the first Knesset representing Herut, whilst Menachem Begin was the Sandek at Levin's circumcision ceremony.[1]

Levin studied at Boyar High School in Jerusalem. During his national service he joined the IDF Intelligence Corps as an Arabic translator and later served as commander of an Arabic translation course. In 1995 he published a dictionary of economic terms translated between Hebrew-Arabic-English, Arabic-Hebrew-English and English-Arabic-Hebrew.

Levin gained an LLB from the Hebrew University and worked as a lawyer in the field of civil-commercial law. He married Yifat, daughter of former Knesset Member Ya'akov Shamai. They have three children and live in Modi'in.[1]

 

[rylah]

Before 1948: Edward, Iraq
Many ask what were the relations between Jews and Arabs before the creation of Israel.
This series asks those who lived through that period their memories.

 

[rylah]

Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak - No one demands what is ours

Press CC for subtitles, and decrease the volume.

 

[rylah]

MK Yariv Levin - 3rd Sovereignty Conference

From the Edmund Levy Report to Sovereignty Third Annual Conference for the Application of Israeli Sovereignty over Judea and Samaria Tuesday, January 1, 2013 (19 Tevet 5773) Conference organizers, production and presentation: the Movement for Israel's Tomorrow (Women in Green) http://www.womeningreen.org/

 

[P F Tinmore]

Innocent civilians!

 

[Coyote]

RE: Who are the Israelis
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

In the real-world, → this is very much like a System of Equations that has no solution (no matter what value of "x" you pick), or an infinite number of solutions (no matter what value of "x" you pick). The political solution for the Israel - Palestinian Conflict and Territorial dispute is unsolvable in the current climate of understanding between the two citizenries.

When I looked up this movement it seems it has little room for the Arab residents of the region. One plan calls for creating 12 districts in such a way that none will have an Arab majority. Repeated frequently is the idea that sovereignty will erase the Palestinian identity and they will become "just Arabs". It seems to be a movement rooted in erasing the Palestinian identity, an irony coming from a group who themselves decry the erasure of identity.

(COMMENT)

The One-State Solution, no matter what value you pick: Results in either ⟴

◈ The Israelis assimulated into the Arab Palestinian (where the Israeli citizenship desolved) system of Governemnt and culture...

.............................. .......................... OR

◈ The Arab Palestinians assimulated (where the Arab Palestinian citizenship desolved) into the Israel system of Governemnt and culture...​

The Two-State Solution, no matter what value you pick: Results in either ⟴

◈ The Some area of territory exclusively Israeli... (With or without Jerusalem as their Capitol)

.............................. .......................... OR

◈ The Some area of territory exclusively Arab Palestinian... (With or without Jerusalem as their Capitol)​

Based on the policy of both sides, each stakes a claim for which the other side claims. The politically imaginary creation of an entirely new nationality - that is common to both sides, only delays the inevitable Civil War.

Although it is very easy to sit down at the typewriter and hammer out the creation of conditions in which both sides accept; "without" each side having a significant number of dissenters within their respective constituency, this is strictly imaginary. Such a solution existing only in the imagination of someone that is profoundly and intellectually disabled in terms of understanding the aspirations and beliefs that are embedded on both sides of the issue.

This is a quest for a real and workable solution → can only be found by the Tomb Raider on one side and the Relic Hunter on the other. It is just as elusive a political phantom that can only be put to the test in a Hollywood back lot.

Most Respectfully,
R

What do you see as genuinely workable Rocco?