CDZ Which political party is the party of the KKK?

[2aguy]

Yes- the bitter old white Republicans who think only people of color are racists.

And that Goldwater was a Civil Rights hero for opposing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, while Martin Luther King Jr. was a fool and a sell out.

Nope...the white racists are in the democrat party too......racists need control of the government to enact their laws, that is why all the racists have flocked to the democrat party, the party that wants government to have unlimited power......

Those that support the party of slavery are stupid, precisely because they cannot admit that they were wrong.

The 'party of slavery' is now the party of African Americans.

While the party of the Lincoln is now the party opposed to Civil Rights.

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that conclusion?

Sure.

90-95% of African American voters vote Democrat.
The Republican Party nominated for President men who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
Goldwater
Reagan
Bush

All men who defended civil rights, and individual rights...the 1964 Civil Rights act perpetuated racism through the practice of race based preferential treatment instead of simply ending discrimination...the democrats once again used race as a weapon against their enemies.....the control of private property through the act has violated the 1st Amendment rights of Americans to worship freely......Reagan, and Goldwater saw these things happening...and based their support for civil rights, but limited government on that...

you know that Barry Goldwater voted for the 1957, and 1960 Civil Rights acts, desegregated his family stores, desegregated the Arizona public schools, and desegregated the Arizona national guard before Truman desegregaed the army, he also helped start the NAACP chapter in Arizona, and the Urban League, using his own money to help them....and he desegregated the Senate Cafeteria when racist democrats wouldn't allow his black secretary to eat there...and refused to allow damaging information about Martin Luther King Jr. be exposed by democrats in Congress.....

LbJ voted against every single civil rights act up to 1957 and voted against the anti lynching laws....you know, the hanging of black men......and only started backing Civil Rights when he realized that democrats would need black votes to keep power.

He was a racist and a political opportunist.........

 

[2aguy]

Everything attributed to democrat or republican...no.....the slave owners of the south were democrats, those who freed the slaves after the Civil war and fought for Civil Rights for the newly freed blacks were Republicans.....men who were democrats founded the klan......

You can keep on bleating that until the sun burns up but without a shred of actual evidence. it remains internet message board myth. Why do you keep at this losing proposition?

The slave owners of the South were Democrats --- Whigs --- Know Nothngs --- Constitutional Unionists --- and many who had no party at all. Again, you have to lose this binary on-off switch that thinks everything is made up of either "Democrat" or "Republican" atoms. This planet does not work that way.

John Bell, the Constitutional Unionist who won Tennessee's electoral vote in 1860, had been a slaveowner even though he opposed the expansion of slavery. So had Ulysses Grant, who won the election of 1868.

Gran

You're still way off the topic but go ahead and present this 'evidence'.

I don't maintain that "Goldwater was a racist". I've never maintained that, nor do I believe it. But as far as the term "civil rights leader" that has to mean taking initiative, where initiative is optional, where it is not the path of least resistance. Goldwater, other than perhaps introducing bills into Congress and making speeches, wasn't in a position to do that; LBJ was. That's no strike against Goldwater but at the same time it's no strike against Johnson when he actually did it several times, even knowing the risk of enormous loss of political capital. LBJ was the catalyst for it.

Anyway there's no evidence that either man resisted civil rights on racial grounds. Again, Goldwater took the technical position, Johnson the practical one.

The whole thing about 'Goldwater was not a racist' is just another strawman.

Not even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Goldwater was a racist. What MLK correctly noted was that in 1964 two things happened:

1. Goldwater opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act- passed overwhelmingly by both Democrats and Republicans.
2. And the GOP chose Goldwater to be their Presidential candidate.

By choosing Goldwater, the GOP was making a conscious decision to nominate a candidate that would appeal to the very voters that LBJ and Kennedy and the Democrats had pissed off by pushing through the Civil Rights Act.

MLK Jr. could indeed be speaking about some of the posters here when he wrote this:

The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The “best man” at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.


It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being President of the United States so threatened the health, morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented.

Nope....MLK was wrong.....Goldwater actually enacted civil rights for blacks in this country and voted for civil rights when lbj was voting against them......

Which 'civil rights' was Goldwater voting for- that LBJ voted against?

Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act- which LBJ pushed through.

Johnson was a solid vote for the Southern Bloc.....

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

For two decades in Congress he was a reliable member of the Southern bloc, helping to stonewall civil rights legislation.

From your own article:
Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero

Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the “****** bill” passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the segregationists would go to their graves knowing the cause they’d given their lives to had been betrayed, Frank Underwood style, by a man they believed to be one of their own. When Caro asked segregationist Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge how he felt when Johnson, signing the Civil Rights Act, said ”we shall overcome,” Talmadge said “sick.”

The Civil Rights Act made it possible for Johnson to smash Jim Crow. The Voting Rights Act made the U.S. government accountable to its black citizens and a true democracy for the first time. Johnson lifted racist immigration restrictions designed to preserve a white majority – and by extension white supremacy. He forced FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, then more concerned with “communists” and civil rights activists, to turn his attention to crushing the Ku Klux Klan.

Both of my links are left wing links.......they are trying to protect johnson...but even they can't hide his racism and anti Civil Rights history....but, because he is a democrat, they have to contort themselves into pretzels.....


From left wing politifact on Johnson...

Lyndon Johnson opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker

Our ruling

Obama said that during Johnson’s "first 20 years in Congress, he opposed every civil rights measure that came up for a vote."

 

[2aguy]

Everything attributed to democrat or republican...no.....the slave owners of the south were democrats, those who freed the slaves after the Civil war and fought for Civil Rights for the newly freed blacks were Republicans.....men who were democrats founded the klan......

You can keep on bleating that until the sun burns up but without a shred of actual evidence. it remains internet message board myth. Why do you keep at this losing proposition?

The slave owners of the South were Democrats --- Whigs --- Know Nothngs --- Constitutional Unionists --- and many who had no party at all. Again, you have to lose this binary on-off switch that thinks everything is made up of either "Democrat" or "Republican" atoms. This planet does not work that way.

John Bell, the Constitutional Unionist who won Tennessee's electoral vote in 1860, had been a slaveowner even though he opposed the expansion of slavery. So had Ulysses Grant, who won the election of 1868.

Gran

You're still way off the topic but go ahead and present this 'evidence'.

I don't maintain that "Goldwater was a racist". I've never maintained that, nor do I believe it. But as far as the term "civil rights leader" that has to mean taking initiative, where initiative is optional, where it is not the path of least resistance. Goldwater, other than perhaps introducing bills into Congress and making speeches, wasn't in a position to do that; LBJ was. That's no strike against Goldwater but at the same time it's no strike against Johnson when he actually did it several times, even knowing the risk of enormous loss of political capital. LBJ was the catalyst for it.

Anyway there's no evidence that either man resisted civil rights on racial grounds. Again, Goldwater took the technical position, Johnson the practical one.

The whole thing about 'Goldwater was not a racist' is just another strawman.

Not even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Goldwater was a racist. What MLK correctly noted was that in 1964 two things happened:

1. Goldwater opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act- passed overwhelmingly by both Democrats and Republicans.
2. And the GOP chose Goldwater to be their Presidential candidate.

By choosing Goldwater, the GOP was making a conscious decision to nominate a candidate that would appeal to the very voters that LBJ and Kennedy and the Democrats had pissed off by pushing through the Civil Rights Act.

MLK Jr. could indeed be speaking about some of the posters here when he wrote this:

The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The “best man” at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.


It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being President of the United States so threatened the health, morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented.

Nope....MLK was wrong.....Goldwater actually enacted civil rights for blacks in this country and voted for civil rights when lbj was voting against them......

Which 'civil rights' was Goldwater voting for- that LBJ voted against?

Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act- which LBJ pushed through.

Johnson was a solid vote for the Southern Bloc.....

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

For two decades in Congress he was a reliable member of the Southern bloc, helping to stonewall civil rights legislation.

From your own article:
Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero

Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the “****** bill” passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the segregationists would go to their graves knowing the cause they’d given their lives to had been betrayed, Frank Underwood style, by a man they believed to be one of their own. When Caro asked segregationist Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge how he felt when Johnson, signing the Civil Rights Act, said ”we shall overcome,” Talmadge said “sick.”

The Civil Rights Act made it possible for Johnson to smash Jim Crow. The Voting Rights Act made the U.S. government accountable to its black citizens and a true democracy for the first time. Johnson lifted racist immigration restrictions designed to preserve a white majority – and by extension white supremacy. He forced FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, then more concerned with “communists” and civil rights activists, to turn his attention to crushing the Ku Klux Klan.

Again......that quote is from another left wing source......who do their best to protect the racist democrat President......but they can't even do it without having to acknowlege he was an out and out racist...as they deny his change of heart was simple political expediency.......the racist democrats needed black votes to acquire power....


Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

For two decades in Congress he was a reliable member of the Southern bloc, helping to stonewall civil rights legislation.

------

But we shouldn’t forget Johnson’s racism, either. After Johnson’s death, Parker would reflect on the Johnson who championed the landmark civil rights bills that formally ended American apartheid, and write, “I loved that Lyndon Johnson.” Then he remembered the president who called him a ******, and he wrote, “I hated that Lyndon Johnson.”

We shouldn't forget that Johnson's change on Civil Rights legislation.......was simple political expediency to keep democrats in power...and to keep.......what he called blacks, voting for democrats for 200 years....

You don't have to contort into a pretzel for Barry Goldwater.....he was a real civil rights hero.....and that included ending racism....not perpetuating it....and protecting the property Rights of Americans.......unlike Johnson who saw the 1964 act as a way to grab more power for the government...and the democrat party....

 

[Dragonlady]

My opinion: Neither party is the party of the KKK- this is just partisan bullshit. Both parties reject the KKK- no party endorses any KKK members for anything.

There is at least a few threads a week by right wing nut jobs trying to label the Democratic Party the party of the KKK- based upon some rather dubious claims from 150 years ago.

Countering that is the claim by Martin Luther King Jr. that the GOP in 1964 pivoted to appeal to racists and the radical right wing becoming the party of the KKK. That of course was over 50 years ago.

The fact is that members of the KKK historically have belonged to both the Democratic and Republican Parties- and the fact is that it is easy to find examples to scream 'racist-racist' for both parties.

But neither party is the party of the KKK. African Americans have by a large degree moved from the GOP Party to the Democratic Party in the last 70 years. Meanwhile, there are conservative African Americans who have chosen the GOP.

I presume that all of those voters make as intelligent decisions as I make- and therefore none of those millions of African Americans have decided that their party is the party of the KKK.

And old white dudes telling them that their party is the party of the KKK is essentially racist in nature- that they know better than African Americans do.

In other threads, I have made a point of posting MLK Jr's remarks declaring the GOP of 1964 becoming the party of the KKK- to counter the BS claims that the Democrats are the party of the KKK.

I do not actually believe either party is the party of the KKK- but if anyone insists that the Democrats are, because of what happened 150 years ago- I will point out that Martin Luther King Jr. considered the GOP to have moved to becoming the party of the KKK.

It is not really a surprise that those who claim the Democrats are the party of the KKK, also tend to consider President Obama to be a racist, and generally despise Martin Luther King Jr.

the kkk was created by democrats and used by democrats to murder freed blacks and Republicans. Today...racists of all races have gathered in the democrat party...the democrat party has been and always will be the party of racism...

Obama sat in an openly and proudly racist church for 20 years, under reverand jeremiah wright who married obama and michelle and baptized their children...he has had the racist al sharpton to the White House as well as the racist, black lives matter ......he is a racist..

Keep clinging to your fictions in your continuing campaign to paint all things Democrat as evil and all things Republican as good.

All you demonstrate is you are narrow minded, bigoted and stupid.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yes- the bitter old white Republicans who think only people of color are racists.

And that Goldwater was a Civil Rights hero for opposing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, while Martin Luther King Jr. was a fool and a sell out.

Nope...the white racists are in the democrat party too......racists need control of the government to enact their laws, that is why all the racists have flocked to the democrat party, the party that wants government to have unlimited power......

Those that support the party of slavery are stupid, precisely because they cannot admit that they were wrong.

The 'party of slavery' is now the party of African Americans.

While the party of the Lincoln is now the party opposed to Civil Rights.

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that conclusion?

Sure.

90-95% of African American voters vote Democrat.
The Republican Party nominated for President men who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
Goldwater
Reagan
Bush

Let's get this straight so for over 100 years republicans have been freeing blacks and in only a few years they switched back to the party that kept them slaves?

Illogical


Why?




.

 

[2aguy]

My opinion: Neither party is the party of the KKK- this is just partisan bullshit. Both parties reject the KKK- no party endorses any KKK members for anything.

There is at least a few threads a week by right wing nut jobs trying to label the Democratic Party the party of the KKK- based upon some rather dubious claims from 150 years ago.

Countering that is the claim by Martin Luther King Jr. that the GOP in 1964 pivoted to appeal to racists and the radical right wing becoming the party of the KKK. That of course was over 50 years ago.

The fact is that members of the KKK historically have belonged to both the Democratic and Republican Parties- and the fact is that it is easy to find examples to scream 'racist-racist' for both parties.

But neither party is the party of the KKK. African Americans have by a large degree moved from the GOP Party to the Democratic Party in the last 70 years. Meanwhile, there are conservative African Americans who have chosen the GOP.

I presume that all of those voters make as intelligent decisions as I make- and therefore none of those millions of African Americans have decided that their party is the party of the KKK.

And old white dudes telling them that their party is the party of the KKK is essentially racist in nature- that they know better than African Americans do.

In other threads, I have made a point of posting MLK Jr's remarks declaring the GOP of 1964 becoming the party of the KKK- to counter the BS claims that the Democrats are the party of the KKK.

I do not actually believe either party is the party of the KKK- but if anyone insists that the Democrats are, because of what happened 150 years ago- I will point out that Martin Luther King Jr. considered the GOP to have moved to becoming the party of the KKK.

It is not really a surprise that those who claim the Democrats are the party of the KKK, also tend to consider President Obama to be a racist, and generally despise Martin Luther King Jr.

the kkk was created by democrats and used by democrats to murder freed blacks and Republicans. Today...racists of all races have gathered in the democrat party...the democrat party has been and always will be the party of racism...

Obama sat in an openly and proudly racist church for 20 years, under reverand jeremiah wright who married obama and michelle and baptized their children...he has had the racist al sharpton to the White House as well as the racist, black lives matter ......he is a racist..

Keep clinging to your fictions in your continuing campaign to paint all things Democrat as evil and all things Republican as good.

All you demonstrate is you are narrow minded, bigoted and stupid.

How am I wrong about lbj and Barry Goldwater?

 

[JQPublic1]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization irregardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

 

[2aguy]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

 

[2aguy]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization irregardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Democrats.....took over the mayor's office in 1918....lots of democrats in New York after World War 1...

List of mayors of New York City - Wikipedia

 

[JQPublic1]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

 

[2aguy]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and fought for their civil rights......the democrats...owned the slaves, fought a war to keep their slaves and enacted jim crow after the Republicans freed the slaves...but keep thinking Republicans would be as racist as the members of the former slave owning party....

 

[2aguy]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

Republicans who kept electing democrat mayors.......

 

[JQPublic1]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and fought for their civil rights......the democrats...owned the slaves, fought a war to keep their slaves and enacted jim crow after the Republicans freed the slaves...but keep thinking Republicans would be as racist as the members of the former slave owning party....

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves unilaterally with his Emancipation Proclamation. The republicans had nothing to do with it. And Lincoln certainly dd not manumit Blacks in the interest of humanity or altruism.

And what makes you think all people registered as democrats of the day were pro slavery? Conversely, why would you think all people registered as republicans opposed it?

 

[Muhammed]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and fought for their civil rights......the democrats...owned the slaves, fought a war to keep their slaves and enacted jim crow after the Republicans freed the slaves...but keep thinking Republicans would be as racist as the members of the former slave owning party....

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves unilaterally with his Emancipation Proclamation. The republicans had nothing to do with it. And Lincoln certainly dd not manumit Blacks in the interest of humanity or altruism.

And what makes you think all people registered as democrats of the day were pro slavery? Conversely, why would you think all people registered as republicans opposed it?

Keep on lying to yourself and see where it gets you.

 

[Wyatt earp]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and fought for their civil rights......the democrats...owned the slaves, fought a war to keep their slaves and enacted jim crow after the Republicans freed the slaves...but keep thinking Republicans would be as racist as the members of the former slave owning party....

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves unilaterally with his Emancipation Proclamation. The republicans had nothing to do with it. And Lincoln certainly dd not manumit Blacks in the interest of humanity or altruism.

And what makes you think all people registered as democrats of the day were pro slavery? Conversely, why would you think all people registered as republicans opposed it?

Wow, you do know the Republican party was started to get rid of slavery right?

And not one democrat voted to get rid of slavery right?


.

 

[Dragonlady]

My opinion: Neither party is the party of the KKK- this is just partisan bullshit. Both parties reject the KKK- no party endorses any KKK members for anything.

There is at least a few threads a week by right wing nut jobs trying to label the Democratic Party the party of the KKK- based upon some rather dubious claims from 150 years ago.

Countering that is the claim by Martin Luther King Jr. that the GOP in 1964 pivoted to appeal to racists and the radical right wing becoming the party of the KKK. That of course was over 50 years ago.

The fact is that members of the KKK historically have belonged to both the Democratic and Republican Parties- and the fact is that it is easy to find examples to scream 'racist-racist' for both parties.

But neither party is the party of the KKK. African Americans have by a large degree moved from the GOP Party to the Democratic Party in the last 70 years. Meanwhile, there are conservative African Americans who have chosen the GOP.

I presume that all of those voters make as intelligent decisions as I make- and therefore none of those millions of African Americans have decided that their party is the party of the KKK.

And old white dudes telling them that their party is the party of the KKK is essentially racist in nature- that they know better than African Americans do.

In other threads, I have made a point of posting MLK Jr's remarks declaring the GOP of 1964 becoming the party of the KKK- to counter the BS claims that the Democrats are the party of the KKK.

I do not actually believe either party is the party of the KKK- but if anyone insists that the Democrats are, because of what happened 150 years ago- I will point out that Martin Luther King Jr. considered the GOP to have moved to becoming the party of the KKK.

It is not really a surprise that those who claim the Democrats are the party of the KKK, also tend to consider President Obama to be a racist, and generally despise Martin Luther King Jr.

the kkk was created by democrats and used by democrats to murder freed blacks and Republicans. Today...racists of all races have gathered in the democrat party...the democrat party has been and always will be the party of racism...

Obama sat in an openly and proudly racist church for 20 years, under reverand jeremiah wright who married obama and michelle and baptized their children...he has had the racist al sharpton to the White House as well as the racist, black lives matter ......he is a racist..

Keep clinging to your fictions in your continuing campaign to paint all things Democrat as evil and all things Republican as good.

All you demonstrate is you are narrow minded, bigoted and stupid.

How am I wrong about lbj and Barry Goldwater?

 

[Dragonlady]

Wow, you do know the Republican party was started to get rid of slavery right?

And not one democrat voted to get rid of slavery right?


.

Did any southern Republicans vote to end slavery?

It wasn't Democrats vs Republicans on matters of civil rights, it was North vs South. Not one Southern Republican voted for the Civil Rights Act, and only a handful of Southern Democrats voted for it. The Civil Rights Act was passed by legislators from the north, both Republican and Democrat, and opposed by legislators from the south, both Republican and Democrat.

 

[2aguy]

Wow, you do know the Republican party was started to get rid of slavery right?

And not one democrat voted to get rid of slavery right?


.

Did any southern Republicans vote to end slavery?

It wasn't Democrats vs Republicans on matters of civil rights, it was North vs South. Not one Southern Republican voted for the Civil Rights Act, and only a handful of Southern Democrats voted for it. The Civil Rights Act was passed by legislators from the north, both Republican and Democrat, and opposed by legislators from the south, both Republican and Democrat.

There were lots of civil rights acts, not just the 1964 act.....the two provisions in the 1964 act, affirmative action which was racist, and attacks on private property rights.....which we see today......kept the Conservative/libertarian republicans from voting for it......race had nothing to do with their vote.

The democrats who voted against it were racists......

 

[2aguy]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and fought for their civil rights......the democrats...owned the slaves, fought a war to keep their slaves and enacted jim crow after the Republicans freed the slaves...but keep thinking Republicans would be as racist as the members of the former slave owning party....

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves unilaterally with his Emancipation Proclamation. The republicans had nothing to do with it. And Lincoln certainly dd not manumit Blacks in the interest of humanity or altruism.

And what makes you think all people registered as democrats of the day were pro slavery? Conversely, why would you think all people registered as republicans opposed it?

Lincoln freed the slaves where he had direct control.....the states that were in armed surrection.......He did not have the Constitutional ability to free them on his own in pro-north southern states...and after the war....the Republicans freed the slaves.....and passed all the real civil rights acts....while the democrats fought them.

 

[2aguy]

After reading through any of the posts here I have seen no conclusive evidence to support the premise that the KKK was ever affiliated with a political party . One thing we cannot deny is that the KKK has always been a RW White Conservative American terrorist group., Even though the nefarious organization originated in a defeated disenfranchised Confederate state, America was still the KKK's home.



I have always held that racism transcends party lines. The glue that binds it to the American way of life is racial hegemony and the social conditioning that affects us all.. KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for blatant racism, bigotry and police brutality to take hold anywhere in the USA. We've seen racism manifested in every corner of this nation.



When Black soldiers returning home from WW1 were hung, still in uniform, from lamp posts in New York City, was that the Klan or just White family fun? A sign of the times? If the postcards made of those "family gatherings" is any indication the Republican constituency were just as deadly for Blacks as the Democrat constituency were in the south. NOTE; I purposely avoided making a direct partisan connection and substituted the word constituency in both cases. That is the essential difference. Neither party is responsible for what average constituents do on their own time.



Interestingly 2aguy holds up Barry Goldwater as a paragon of white altruism towards his Black brothers in Arizona. My own research validates that claim.

Yet, the refusal of Arizona state legislators to recognize the Martini Luther King Holiday suggests that most Arizonans are nothing like Goldwater.

Goldwater was not a social conservative but his Arizona peers and constituents were and remain so.



LBJ's name has been thrown into the mix in a pathetic attempt to associate the KKK with some of his pre civil rights era racist antics. He wasn't a known member of the KKK. He was just a reflection of the environment in which he was raised.



So there you have it. Again the KKK is a RW White conservative terrorist organization regardless of any party affiliation some of its members may have.

Blacks hung in New York.......hmmmm....seems to me that would have been white democrats doing that.

New York was republican territory at the turn of the 20th Century. But in either case KKK affiliation is not a prerequisite for racism. The average people that make up lynch mobs may not even be registered as republicans nor democrats. And I doubt if senators,judges or high ranking officials of either party were present.

The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and fought for their civil rights......the democrats...owned the slaves, fought a war to keep their slaves and enacted jim crow after the Republicans freed the slaves...but keep thinking Republicans would be as racist as the members of the former slave owning party....

Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves unilaterally with his Emancipation Proclamation. The republicans had nothing to do with it. And Lincoln certainly dd not manumit Blacks in the interest of humanity or altruism.

And what makes you think all people registered as democrats of the day were pro slavery? Conversely, why would you think all people registered as republicans opposed it?

We're all democrats then pro-slavery...no.....but the the people who owned slaves were democrats...........the Republican Party was created as the anti slavery party.