Which policies in 2012 will sway your vote?

[Mac1958]

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Ugh. I'll once again point out that whatever I say is going to be denied. So I will only put so much effort into this. This means I will not bother to point out examples of...

... the last 15,000 or so times a person was called a "racist" because they dared to criticize a black liberal. That would take us back about two days.

... the list of words we are told we should not use because we are told that they may "offend" someone.

... the list of words that the American Left has changed to a new word because they didn't like the connotation of the old word, even though everyone knows that the new word means the old word.

... the public figures who have been targeted because they dared to say a word or phrase that the American Left has deemed unacceptable and potentially offensive.

And more than anything else:

Political Correctness is strategic hypersensitivity designed and deployed specifically to put your target on the defensive and thereby control the conversation. And that is precisely what the American Left is doing in ALL of the above cases. They know that, if they put their target on the defensive, gives them a clear advantage in the debate.

Now, I realize you're going to deny all this, LoneLaugher, because you have taken this conversation this far. I really try to place and maintain a high priority on intellectual honesty, and I don't burn a great deal of time with those who are clearly being intellectually dishonest. If you're really going to deny what I'm saying, it's my humble opinion that you're being intellectually dishonest, and I'm not going to continue to waste my time.

I can deny that lemons are yellow, too. They're purple, and no matter what you say, I'll say they're purple.

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[California Girl]

My top three priorities:

1. War. I cannot support a party (the GOP) that believes it's our right or obligation to invade other countries when we get cranky. I support our brave troops, and I hate, truly hate, to see them die and suffer for the egos and ideologies of a few.

2. Freedom of Speech. It is our greatest right, and I cannot support a party (the Democrats) that uses Political Correctness as a weapon, a bludgeon, to control the issues. We have already begun to lose this freedom, and I see no signs of this reversing.

3. The economy. I cannot support a party that uses simplistic, two-dimensional thinking when addressing the economy and issues that effect the economy. Nor can I support a party that appears either unwilling or incapable of looking at the big picture, the long term. Unfortunately, both parties fall into this category.

So I'm screwed. I'd prefer to vote for one of the "major parties", but in good conscience I cannot. Looking at alternate parties.

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Both have sent soldiers to war.

You said that Democrats threaten freedom of speech. Can you at least try to support that claim? Using political correctness as a weopon? Example?

The economy.......simple. The GOP has no plan that hasn't already been proven to fail. The DNC understands the need to grow the middle class. That is a stark enough difference for me.

I laughed that you demand evidence to support any claim against the Dems... and blindly agree with any against the GOP.

Fucking hack.

 

[Mac1958]

My top three priorities:

1. War. I cannot support a party (the GOP) that believes it's our right or obligation to invade other countries when we get cranky. I support our brave troops, and I hate, truly hate, to see them die and suffer for the egos and ideologies of a few.

2. Freedom of Speech. It is our greatest right, and I cannot support a party (the Democrats) that uses Political Correctness as a weapon, a bludgeon, to control the issues. We have already begun to lose this freedom, and I see no signs of this reversing.

3. The economy. I cannot support a party that uses simplistic, two-dimensional thinking when addressing the economy and issues that effect the economy. Nor can I support a party that appears either unwilling or incapable of looking at the big picture, the long term. Unfortunately, both parties fall into this category.

So I'm screwed. I'd prefer to vote for one of the "major parties", but in good conscience I cannot. Looking at alternate parties.

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Both have sent soldiers to war.

You said that Democrats threaten freedom of speech. Can you at least try to support that claim? Using political correctness as a weopon? Example?

The economy.......simple. The GOP has no plan that hasn't already been proven to fail. The DNC understands the need to grow the middle class. That is a stark enough difference for me.

I laughed that you demand evidence to support any claim against the Dems... and blindly agree with any against the GOP.

Fucking hack.

It does get pretty transparent.

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[Full-Auto]

Which policies in 2012 will sway your vote?



Since democrats can not frame a single issue honestly. The pissed me off factor will more then likely help me cast my vote.

 

[kyzr]

For sane people, Obamacare is a net positive. Running against it does not garner one the votes of sane people.

Keep your Kool-Ade. Putting 50,000,000 low-lifes in the medical system for free is a moronic idea. The latest numbers are that it adds $3-trillion to the Budget, and that is $3-trillion we don't have. Please put up credible data before spouting partisan garbage.

 

[Ernie S.]

Oh look! An independent! He's not made a decision yet! Everyone...........hurry! He needs to hear the reasoned, rational arguments that this forum is known for so he can make a choice in November!

Then I'd suggest he put you on ignore as soon as possible.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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Ugh. I'll once again point out that whatever I say is going to be denied. So I will only put so much effort into this. This means I will not bother to point out examples of...

... the last 15,000 or so times a person was called a "racist" because they dared to criticize a black liberal. That would take us back about two days.

... the list of words we are told we should not use because we are told that they may "offend" someone.

... the list of words that the American Left has changed to a new word because they didn't like the connotation of the old word, even though everyone knows that the new word means the old word.

... the public figures who have been targeted because they dared to say a word or phrase that the American Left has deemed unacceptable and potentially offensive.

And more than anything else:

Political Correctness is strategic hypersensitivity designed and deployed specifically to put your target on the defensive and thereby control the conversation. And that is precisely what the American Left is doing in ALL of the above cases. They know that, if they put their target on the defensive, gives them a clear advantage in the debate.

Now, I realize you're going to deny all this, LoneLaugher, because you have taken this conversation this far. I really try to place and maintain a high priority on intellectual honesty, and I don't burn a great deal of time with those who are clearly being intellectually dishonest. If you're really going to deny what I'm saying, it's my humble opinion that you're being intellectually dishonest, and I'm not going to continue to waste my time.

I can deny that lemons are yellow, too. They're purple, and no matter what you say, I'll say they're purple.

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I am saddened by the fact that you have still not cited an example to support your claim.

Give me one of the 15,000. Where are the lists of words? Or even a partial list. And....more importantly.....where is the evidence that the Democratic Party has been trying to take away anyone's freedom of speech? At most, you have a gripe that politicians are likely to pander to constituents and feign offense at some words and phrases. But you have not presented any evidence that this is a trait more readily displayed by Democrats and you have not made the case that there is any effort afoot to take away ANYONES freedom of speech.

Lemons are yellow, by the way. Honest.

 

[Mac1958]

I am saddened by the fact that you have still not cited an example to support your claim.

Be as sad as you want. You know precisely what I'm talking about. You know the examples.

You're playing the games I refer to in my signature. I will not play them with you.

Done.

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[California Girl]

Both have sent soldiers to war.

You said that Democrats threaten freedom of speech. Can you at least try to support that claim? Using political correctness as a weopon? Example?

The economy.......simple. The GOP has no plan that hasn't already been proven to fail. The DNC understands the need to grow the middle class. That is a stark enough difference for me.

I laughed that you demand evidence to support any claim against the Dems... and blindly agree with any against the GOP.

Fucking hack.

It does get pretty transparent.

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It really does.... Personally, I get the accusations against both... having said that, for the first time in my life, I'm voting GOP - more of an 'anyone but Obama' than a genuine agreement with the GOP.... on the bright side.... I actually respect Romney. From everything I've heard.... he's a genuinely decent guy.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

You're missing an option.

None of the above, because they will both be the same on most if not all issues.

Taxes is the only real difference between them, and even then they're both engaged in a false argument. High taxes or low taxes, it doesn't matter. Unless you're arguing for a complete overhaul of the entire tax system, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

 

[LoneLaugher]

My top three priorities:

1. War. I cannot support a party (the GOP) that believes it's our right or obligation to invade other countries when we get cranky. I support our brave troops, and I hate, truly hate, to see them die and suffer for the egos and ideologies of a few.

2. Freedom of Speech. It is our greatest right, and I cannot support a party (the Democrats) that uses Political Correctness as a weapon, a bludgeon, to control the issues. We have already begun to lose this freedom, and I see no signs of this reversing.

3. The economy. I cannot support a party that uses simplistic, two-dimensional thinking when addressing the economy and issues that effect the economy. Nor can I support a party that appears either unwilling or incapable of looking at the big picture, the long term. Unfortunately, both parties fall into this category.

So I'm screwed. I'd prefer to vote for one of the "major parties", but in good conscience I cannot. Looking at alternate parties.

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Both have sent soldiers to war.

You said that Democrats threaten freedom of speech. Can you at least try to support that claim? Using political correctness as a weopon? Example?

The economy.......simple. The GOP has no plan that hasn't already been proven to fail. The DNC understands the need to grow the middle class. That is a stark enough difference for me.

I laughed that you demand evidence to support any claim against the Dems... and blindly agree with any against the GOP.

Fucking hack.

I'll study this astute observation. maybe you can provide me with an example or two of where I "blindly agree with any against the GOP".

Thanks.

 

[kyzr]

You're missing an option. None of the above, because they will both be the same on most if not all issues.

Taxes is the only real difference between them, and even then they're both engaged in a false argument. High taxes or low taxes, it doesn't matter. Unless you're arguing for a complete overhaul of the entire tax system, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

What problem do you have with Simpson-Bowles? (as an example)

BTW, Its not taxes, its spending and taxes. More specifically entitlement spending, like the Drug Benefit for example. We need more people pulling the wagon instead of riding in it.
The NYT balance the budget game shows how simple it is, yet the DC whores refuse to do their jobs. The Debt is reaching critical mass and when the dollar collapses, you will see what this folly has brought about.

 

[snakedoc]

The issue that is the biggest concern to me is the 15 trillion dollars plus debt we have and I don't see either man or party prepared to take any real action to deal with this.

 

[kyzr]

The issue that is the biggest concern to me is the 15 trillion dollars plus debt we have and I don't see either man or party prepared to take any real action to deal with this.

Makes one wonder whose side the DC whores are actually on. We're headed for the financial cliff and they would rather the US economy crash and keep their jobs than save the economy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I don't consider debt reduction to be our most pressing challenge. Thus, I do not run around saying that one guy is better than another when it comes to this issue. But if I felt, as some here claim, that this was THE PRIMARY issue for me, you can bet your ass I'd be able to articulate the positions of both candidates and have an opinion regarding which I was more inclined to accept.

 

[snakedoc]

I don't consider debt reduction to be our most pressing challenge. Thus, I do not run around saying that one guy is better than another when it comes to this issue. But if I felt, as some here claim, that this was THE PRIMARY issue for me, you can bet your ass I'd be able to articulate the positions of both candidates and have an opinion regarding which I was more inclined to accept.

The problem is neither man has a position I'm inclined to accept the Obama answer is increase taxes on the rich you can do that all you want it still won't solve the problem.The Romney answer is spending cuts you can cut government spending down to the bone and that also will not solve the problem you will have to have a combination of tax increases on not just the rich but everyone and real spending cuts to deal with this debt. My fear is before any politician or the country as whole accepts this the house of cards we have built is going to come down.

 

[Greenbeard]

Did Mitt "jump the shark" on Obamacare if/when the USSC kills Obamacare? Can Mitt actually put that issue on his stack? That was one of the biggest negatives during the primaries, that Mitt can't throw rocks at Obamacare because he was its godfather.

Given the relationship of the GOP base to the broader electorate, a negative during the primaries could easily be a positive during the general. Even the base recognizes that, which is why Romney is winning on the electability argument, while the nuts that haven't fallen far from the tree (Tea Party darling Bachmann or paragon of social conservatism Santorum) are getting short shrift.

Once he shakes the etch a sketch, I would be amazed if Romney didn't point to the impressive results his signature achievement have produced in MA: gains in access to and use of care, reductions in folks reporting they didn't get needed care or had unmet needs for care due to cost, and strong gains in self-rated health status.

 

[BluePhantom]

I am saddened by the fact that you have still not cited an example to support your claim.

Give me one of the 15,000. Where are the lists of words? Or even a partial list.....

Ok here you go. This took me about 30 seconds of research:

"The New York City Department of Education wants to ban divorce, dinosaur, birthday, religion, Halloween, Christmas, and television along with 50 plus other “loaded” words, from the city’s standardized tests because they may “evoke unpleasant emotions” which in turn may negatively affect students’ test performance."​

Why Did the New York City Dept. of Ed Ban 'Dinosaur,' 'Birthday,' and Other Emotive Words From Standardized Tests? @PolicyMic | Gary Sanford

"Here, in any case, is the complete list of words that Walcott believes should be banned. Enjoy.

Abuse (physical, sexual, emotional, or psychological)
Alcohol (beer and liquor), tobacco, or drugs
Birthday celebrations (and birthdays)
Bodily functions
Cancer (and other diseases)
Catastrophes/disasters (tsunamis and hurricanes)
Celebrities
Children dealing with serious issues
Cigarettes (and other smoking paraphernalia)
Computers in the home (acceptable in a school or library setting)
Crime
Death and disease
Divorce
Evolution
Expensive gifts, vacations, and prizes
Gambling involving money
Halloween
Homelessness
Homes with swimming pools
Hunting
Junk food
In-depth discussions of sports that require prior knowledge
Loss of employment
Nuclear weapons
Occult topics (i.e. fortune-telling)
Parapsychology
Politics
Pornography
Poverty
Rap Music
Religion
Religious holidays and festivals (including but not limited to Christmas, Yom Kippur, and Ramadan)
Rock-and-Roll music
Running away
Sex
Slavery
Terrorism
Television and video games (excessive use)
Traumatic material (including material that may be particularly upsetting such as animal shelters)
Vermin (rats and roaches)
Violence
War and bloodshed
Weapons (guns, knives, etc.)
Witchcraft, sorcery, etc."

NYC Dept of Ed publishes its list of 50

 

[BluePhantom]

I'm trying to keep track of which party has the better policies so that voting in November can be with conviction. I'm not seeing a clear choice yet. Its running about 50-50.

Please add any additional policies that I missed. I know there are many, the biggest may be the explosion of the Debt when China stops lending us $0.40 of every dollar spent.

IMHO the main cause of US problems is that too many folks are riding in the wagon instead of helping pull it. From the low-lifes getting assistance to the wealthy stashing cash off-shore, and selling us short.

If you are looking to formulate a list of which issues are the most important to people why not just keep and eye on the polls that track them?

Importance of Issues - Rasmussen Reports™

Most Important Problem

If you are looking to see how the people feel about those issues or which party is trusted more by the people on a given issue, Rasmussen tracks it monthly (I think at least).

Trust on Issues - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Fun poll. It's a shame lonelylaugher pissed all over the first page.