Which policies in 2012 will sway your vote?

[Wacky Quacky]

You're missing an option. None of the above, because they will both be the same on most if not all issues.

Taxes is the only real difference between them, and even then they're both engaged in a false argument. High taxes or low taxes, it doesn't matter. Unless you're arguing for a complete overhaul of the entire tax system, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

What problem do you have with Simpson-Bowles? (as an example)

BTW, Its not taxes, its spending and taxes. More specifically entitlement spending, like the Drug Benefit for example. We need more people pulling the wagon instead of riding in it.
The NYT balance the budget game shows how simple it is, yet the DC whores refuse to do their jobs. The Debt is reaching critical mass and when the dollar collapses, you will see what this folly has brought about.

I didn't bring up spending because this is a discussion about the differences between Obama and Romney. When it comes to spending I don't think they're one bit different.

As for Simpson-Bowles. I don't have a problem with it, but it still leaves our tax code as an enormous, convoluted, incomprehensible mess that only tax professionals (real professionals, not the guy at Liberty Tax down the street) can even begin to understand. When you have a tax code like that it will be filled with abusable aspects. I can almost 100% guarantee that the Simpson-Bowles plan would not generate near as much as projected due to remaining loopholes and tax shelters.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I am saddened by the fact that you have still not cited an example to support your claim.

Give me one of the 15,000. Where are the lists of words? Or even a partial list.....

Ok here you go. This took me about 30 seconds of research:

"The New York City Department of Education wants to ban divorce, dinosaur, birthday, religion, Halloween, Christmas, and television along with 50 plus other “loaded” words, from the city’s standardized tests because they may “evoke unpleasant emotions” which in turn may negatively affect students’ test performance."​

Why Did the New York City Dept. of Ed Ban 'Dinosaur,' 'Birthday,' and Other Emotive Words From Standardized Tests? @PolicyMic | Gary Sanford

"Here, in any case, is the complete list of words that Walcott believes should be banned. Enjoy.

Abuse (physical, sexual, emotional, or psychological)
Alcohol (beer and liquor), tobacco, or drugs
Birthday celebrations (and birthdays)
Bodily functions
Cancer (and other diseases)
Catastrophes/disasters (tsunamis and hurricanes)
Celebrities
Children dealing with serious issues
Cigarettes (and other smoking paraphernalia)
Computers in the home (acceptable in a school or library setting)
Crime
Death and disease
Divorce
Evolution
Expensive gifts, vacations, and prizes
Gambling involving money
Halloween
Homelessness
Homes with swimming pools
Hunting
Junk food
In-depth discussions of sports that require prior knowledge
Loss of employment
Nuclear weapons
Occult topics (i.e. fortune-telling)
Parapsychology
Politics
Pornography
Poverty
Rap Music
Religion
Religious holidays and festivals (including but not limited to Christmas, Yom Kippur, and Ramadan)
Rock-and-Roll music
Running away
Sex
Slavery
Terrorism
Television and video games (excessive use)
Traumatic material (including material that may be particularly upsetting such as animal shelters)
Vermin (rats and roaches)
Violence
War and bloodshed
Weapons (guns, knives, etc.)
Witchcraft, sorcery, etc."

NYC Dept of Ed publishes its list of 50

While I am sure Mac appreciates your attempt......it falls way short of fulfilling the request for evidence.

First, the blog entries that you cite don't even claim that any of the words were banned. They don't mention the political leanings of any of the educators. That some educator(s) think banning them (from tests.........not from use) is a good idea does not support the claim that Democrats want to take away anyone's freedom of speech nor that they are using political correctness at all as a weapon.

Now....do you think that any Democrats or liberals on here will support the removal of those words from those tests?

Weak attempt. Wanna try again?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Fun poll. It's a shame lonelylaugher pissed all over the first page.

Oh! look what you did there! You added "ly" to my name! What a witty guy!

 

[SniperFire]

The latest numbers are that it adds $3-trillion to the Budget, and that is $3-trillion we don't have. Please put up credible data before spouting partisan garbage.

Actually, the latest news - which emerged last week and was ignored by the media - is that they just discovered another massive $17 trillion funding gap in Obamacare:

Another $17 trillion surprise found in Obamacare

Obamacare | Shortfall | Jeff Sessions | The Daily Caller

What a disastrous failure.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I don't consider debt reduction to be our most pressing challenge. Thus, I do not run around saying that one guy is better than another when it comes to this issue. But if I felt, as some here claim, that this was THE PRIMARY issue for me, you can bet your ass I'd be able to articulate the positions of both candidates and have an opinion regarding which I was more inclined to accept.

The problem is neither man has a position I'm inclined to accept the Obama answer is increase taxes on the rich you can do that all you want it still won't solve the problem.The Romney answer is spending cuts you can cut government spending down to the bone and that also will not solve the problem you will have to have a combination of tax increases on not just the rich but everyone and real spending cuts to deal with this debt. My fear is before any politician or the country as whole accepts this the house of cards we have built is going to come down.

Hmm.

Has Obama suggested some spending cuts?
Has Romney suggested some tax increases?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Fun poll. It's a shame lonelylaugher pissed all over the first page.

Oh! look what you did there! You added "ly" to my name! What a witty guy!

Seemed natural.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The latest numbers are that it adds $3-trillion to the Budget, and that is $3-trillion we don't have. Please put up credible data before spouting partisan garbage.

Actually, the latest news - which emerged last week and was ignored by the media - is that they just discovered another massive $17 trillion funding gap in Obamacare:

Another $17 trillion surprise found in Obamacare

Obamacare | Shortfall | Jeff Sessions | The Daily Caller

What a disastrous failure.

Ignored huh? How did you hear about this claim? Did Jeff Sessions call you on your private line?

Are you satisfied that the claim is accurate?

 

[snakedoc]

I don't consider debt reduction to be our most pressing challenge. Thus, I do not run around saying that one guy is better than another when it comes to this issue. But if I felt, as some here claim, that this was THE PRIMARY issue for me, you can bet your ass I'd be able to articulate the positions of both candidates and have an opinion regarding which I was more inclined to accept.

The problem is neither man has a position I'm inclined to accept the Obama answer is increase taxes on the rich you can do that all you want it still won't solve the problem.The Romney answer is spending cuts you can cut government spending down to the bone and that also will not solve the problem you will have to have a combination of tax increases on not just the rich but everyone and real spending cuts to deal with this debt. My fear is before any politician or the country as whole accepts this the house of cards we have built is going to come down.

Hmm.

Has Obama suggested some spending cuts?
Has Romney suggested some tax increases?

I have not seen Romney or Obama or any other politician put out any serious plan for dealing with a 15 trillion dollar and counting debt. To do so you would have to purpose things that will be unpopular and hurt that takes real courage and leadership something I don't believe Romney, Obama or any other politician has.

 

[Chris]

I'm trying to keep track of which party has the better policies so that voting in November can be with conviction. I'm not seeing a clear choice yet. Its running about 50-50.

Please add any additional policies that I missed. I know there are many, the biggest may be the explosion of the Debt when China stops lending us $0.40 of every dollar spent.

IMHO the main cause of US problems is that too many folks are riding in the wagon instead of helping pull it. From the low-lifes getting assistance to the wealthy stashing cash off-shore, and selling us short.

Well you got that half right.

The Super rich are the ones getting the free ride.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I'm trying to keep track of which party has the better policies so that voting in November can be with conviction. I'm not seeing a clear choice yet. Its running about 50-50.

Please add any additional policies that I missed. I know there are many, the biggest may be the explosion of the Debt when China stops lending us $0.40 of every dollar spent.

IMHO the main cause of US problems is that too many folks are riding in the wagon instead of helping pull it. From the low-lifes getting assistance to the wealthy stashing cash off-shore, and selling us short.

Well you got that half right.

The Super rich are the ones getting the free ride.

12% of all millionaires are educators.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The problem is neither man has a position I'm inclined to accept the Obama answer is increase taxes on the rich you can do that all you want it still won't solve the problem.The Romney answer is spending cuts you can cut government spending down to the bone and that also will not solve the problem you will have to have a combination of tax increases on not just the rich but everyone and real spending cuts to deal with this debt. My fear is before any politician or the country as whole accepts this the house of cards we have built is going to come down.

Hmm.

Has Obama suggested some spending cuts?
Has Romney suggested some tax increases?

I have not seen Romney or Obama or any other politician put out any serious plan for dealing with a 15 trillion dollar and counting debt. To do so you would have to purpose things that will be unpopular and hurt that takes real courage and leadership something I don't believe Romney, Obama or any other politician has.

Those are yes/no questions designed to paint you into a corner. Kindly play along and answer them.

 

[snakedoc]

Hmm.

Has Obama suggested some spending cuts?
Has Romney suggested some tax increases?

I have not seen Romney or Obama or any other politician put out any serious plan for dealing with a 15 trillion dollar and counting debt. To do so you would have to purpose things that will be unpopular and hurt that takes real courage and leadership something I don't believe Romney, Obama or any other politician has.

Those are yes/no questions designed to paint you into a corner. Kindly play along and answer them.

Sorry I don't paint.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You don't paint? Ooooh.......you are a sly one.

 

[kyzr]

The short answer is NO.

Mitt would never raise taxes, and Obama would never cut spending. The GOP had Obama over a barrel when raising the debt limit, and Obama was ready to deal and cut entitlements, then the GOP ran away screaming.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Obama has proposed spending cuts. Has he not?

 

[snakedoc]

You don't paint? Ooooh.......you are a sly one.

Glad you noticed good to see were both on the same level.

 

[kyzr]

Obama has proposed spending cuts. Has he not?

What part of a 0 - 414 budget vote do you not understand?

The only cuts we have pending are the automatic ones coming up when the Debt Commission couldn't agree,
Obama To Veto Any Attempt To Roll Back Automatic Cuts After Committee's Inability To Reach Debt Deal | Fox News

 

[LoneLaugher]

Has President Obama proposed spending cuts to go along with his proposed tax increases?

Has Mitt Romney proposed tax increases to go along with his proposed spending cuts?

These are not questions that solicit an opinion.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

This election is just like the last Presidential election...which was like the previous again.
Truth be told - I don't want either of them.
That said. Voting for Obama again would be insane.

 

[kyzr]

Has President Obama proposed spending cuts to go along with his proposed tax increases?

Has Mitt Romney proposed tax increases to go along with his proposed spending cuts?

These are not questions that solicit an opinion.

Romney supports the Ryan Plan which eliminates tax loopholes, aka raising taxes.
Obama's budget was so bad no one noticed any cuts.