Which is worse

[Vel]

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

assume my Texas ass, its been proven.

another country sends their people to live in this country and influence an election is fucking with our democracy - any idiot that has to ask which is worse is a fucking traitor.

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a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

So you're ok with Russia deciding who is president of the United States?

Would you be if they had weighed in on Clinton's side?

Of course not.

the Russians created the fake dossier, the Russians paid the Clinton foundation 145 million, the Russians got 20% of our uranium from Hillary, and you claim the Russians wanted Trump? are you fricken crazy? The Russians are laughing at all of us right now, they just wanted to create turmoil and mistrust in this country, and they did.

Dude, you are quoting fake news. Don't fall for it. The Russians didn't create the dossier, right or wrong it's the product of a research company run by a highly respected retired British intelligence agent. The Russians didn't pay the Clinton foundation millions of dollars, they also don't have %20 of our uranium.

All of this has been thoroughly debunked.

Come on man, it's embarrassing to have to keep.correcting you kids on this stuff.

Debunked? Show us please. I'll look forward to seeing your verifiable sources. You might check this New York Times article as your starting point.
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Who meddles in our elections?

1 Democratic Party blocks Voter ID laws

2 Non-Citizens voting in our elections

3 Democrats voting under multiple alias name

4 Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch and Strzok tried to subvert our election

5 The American Press always demonizes Republicans but defends corrupt Democrats

6 Hollywood is a 24/7 campaign machine for the Democrats

 

[miketx]

4

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

The media tried to influence the election more than any other group.

By beating up on Hillary about emails at every turn and covering all of Trump's rallies from start to finish? Yeah, okay...

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump

No liar by constantly reporting that Trump had no chance. You know this is why I hate you liberals, You cannot tell the truth about anything ever.

trump cant win - YouTube





Just a few so can lie about something else.

 

[Redfish]

4

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

The media tried to influence the election more than any other group.

By beating up on Hillary about emails at every turn and covering all of Trump's rallies from start to finish? Yeah, okay...

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump

No liar by constantly reporting that Trump had no chance. You know this is why I hate you liberals, You cannot tell the truth about anything ever.

trump cant win - YouTube





Just a few so can lie about something else.

don't expect a reply from seetwitchey, she always runs when confronted with her own lies.

 

[Seawytch]

It doesn't matter when the investigation started. The fact that we, the American people, didn't find out about the investigation until after the election completely destroys your "deep state" conspiracy theory.

maybe you didn't find out til then but the rest of us knew about it when it started. Why are you unable to be truthful about any of this? It reminds me why I put you on ignore previously, you are a disingenuous poster, a partisan hack.

We knew of Russian meddling, we did not know of of the Steele Dossier or its content. We did not know there was an active counter intelligence investigation into the Trump campaign until AFTER the election.

You put me on ignore because I destroy you with facts you have no counter to.

you said that we did not know about the Russia/collusion investigation until after the election, that is not true. Mueller was charged to investigate Russian attempts to influence our election, not to engage in a witchhunt of the last 30 years of everyone involved in the Trump campaign. His committee consists solely of democrats and Hillary contributors, how can anyone think this is not biased?

No fishy, that's not what I said. I pointed out how stupid your deep state conspiracy theory is because we, the American people, were not informed that the Trump campaign was under counter intelligence investigation until AFTER the election. A "deep state partisan FBI would have disclosed that had they been out to get the orange oligarch.

your continual partisan lying and inability to participate in a civil debate is why I put you on ignore, and may do so again.

Where have I been uncivil? Pointing out facts you have no response to? You poor thing!!! Vicious!

when you post talking points and cites from partisan opinion mills that is both uncivil and disingenuous. You will not participate in a normal discussion because you know that the facts will always prove you and your liberal ideology wrong.''

Link to these uncivil sources, fishy.

On that topic, can you please tell us when and where socialism, communism, progressivism, or liberalism have ever worked in any country? Give us some good examples of success of the ideology that you want for the USA.

Trying to flee your own thread? When were we "on that topic"?

Pure socialism, just like pure capitalism, doesn't work. You need a good dose of both.

 

[Seawytch]

4

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

The media tried to influence the election more than any other group.

By beating up on Hillary about emails at every turn and covering all of Trump's rallies from start to finish? Yeah, okay...

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump

No liar by constantly reporting that Trump had no chance. You know this is why I hate you liberals, You cannot tell the truth about anything ever.

trump cant win - YouTube





Just a few so can lie about something else.

That's because until Russian rat fucking and one sided FBI disclosures, he didn't. (And she still got 3 million more votes)

 

[Dragonlady]

EVERY country tries to "influence" elections in other countries.

EVERY country doesn’t hack into the computer systems of the opposing party and conduct a well staffed and well financed propaganda campaign of disinformation and lies to get their pet candidate elected.

And once elected, the candidate doesn’t do actual harm to their military treaties and trade relations and destroy their economy.

That’s what’s happening here.

 

[Redfish]

4

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

The media tried to influence the election more than any other group.

By beating up on Hillary about emails at every turn and covering all of Trump's rallies from start to finish? Yeah, okay...

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump

No liar by constantly reporting that Trump had no chance. You know this is why I hate you liberals, You cannot tell the truth about anything ever.

trump cant win - YouTube





Just a few so can lie about something else.

That's because until Russian rat fucking and one sided FBI disclosures, he didn't. (And she still got 3 million more votes)

Hillary lost because the American voters understood that she was a corrupt, lying, angry, old, sick bitch. Russia and the FBI did not make her those things, she lost because of who and what she is.

the entire 3 mill vote delta was in California, the state that is now billions in debt and drowning in human waste. The electoral college works, the founders were brilliant.

 

[Redfish]

EVERY country tries to "influence" elections in other countries.

EVERY country doesn’t hack into the computer systems of the opposing party and conduct a well staffed and well financed propaganda campaign of disinformation and lies to get their pet candidate elected.

And once elected, the candidate doesn’t do actual harm to their military treaties and trade relations and destroy their economy.

That’s what’s happening here.

Uh, no,. that's what the Clinton campaign tried to do and still lost. Are you so naïve that you missed the propaganda campaign conducted by our media and the FBI?

More to come when Page is given immunity and spills the truth about strzok, comey, McCabe, Lynch, and Obama.

 

[Redfish]

maybe you didn't find out til then but the rest of us knew about it when it started. Why are you unable to be truthful about any of this? It reminds me why I put you on ignore previously, you are a disingenuous poster, a partisan hack.

We knew of Russian meddling, we did not know of of the Steele Dossier or its content. We did not know there was an active counter intelligence investigation into the Trump campaign until AFTER the election.

You put me on ignore because I destroy you with facts you have no counter to.

you said that we did not know about the Russia/collusion investigation until after the election, that is not true. Mueller was charged to investigate Russian attempts to influence our election, not to engage in a witchhunt of the last 30 years of everyone involved in the Trump campaign. His committee consists solely of democrats and Hillary contributors, how can anyone think this is not biased?

No fishy, that's not what I said. I pointed out how stupid your deep state conspiracy theory is because we, the American people, were not informed that the Trump campaign was under counter intelligence investigation until AFTER the election. A "deep state partisan FBI would have disclosed that had they been out to get the orange oligarch.

your continual partisan lying and inability to participate in a civil debate is why I put you on ignore, and may do so again.

Where have I been uncivil? Pointing out facts you have no response to? You poor thing!!! Vicious!

when you post talking points and cites from partisan opinion mills that is both uncivil and disingenuous. You will not participate in a normal discussion because you know that the facts will always prove you and your liberal ideology wrong.''

Link to these uncivil sources, fishy.

On that topic, can you please tell us when and where socialism, communism, progressivism, or liberalism have ever worked in any country? Give us some good examples of success of the ideology that you want for the USA.

Trying to flee your own thread? When were we "on that topic"?

Pure socialism, just like pure capitalism, doesn't work. You need a good dose of both.

uncivil sources: CNN, MSNBC, NY times, Wash post, NBC, the dem party, Maxine waters, Pelosi, schumer, the Clintons, anything funded by Soros, antifa, Farrakhan, BLM, Kimmel, the view. I could go on, but maybe you get it.

what is the difference between capitalism and pure capitalism? socialism and pure socialism. careful, altruism exists in both but is the major aspect of socialism, except for the rulers of socialistic countries, the rulers are dictatorial capitalists.

 

[Redfish]

EVERY country tries to "influence" elections in other countries.

EVERY country doesn’t hack into the computer systems of the opposing party and conduct a well staffed and well financed propaganda campaign of disinformation and lies to get their pet candidate elected.

And once elected, the candidate doesn’t do actual harm to their military treaties and trade relations and destroy their economy.

That’s what’s happening here.

Under Obama, the USA tried to influence the Israeli elections, by propaganda, hacking, internet ads, facebook, etc. they ran a smear campaign against Netanyahu, he still won, but the Obama administration tried to make him lose--------------are you OK with that?

We also tried to influence the Brexit vote in the UK, the French elections, and the German elections. Was that OK?

 

[miketx]

EVERY country tries to "influence" elections in other countries.

EVERY country doesn’t hack into the computer systems of the opposing party and conduct a well staffed and well financed propaganda campaign of disinformation and lies to get their pet candidate elected.

And once elected, the candidate doesn’t do actual harm to their military treaties and trade relations and destroy their economy.

That’s what’s happening here.

Under Obama, the USA tried to influence the Israeli elections, by propaganda, hacking, internet ads, facebook, etc. they ran a smear campaign against Netanyahu, he still won, but the Obama administration tried to make him lose--------------are you OK with that?

We also tried to influence the Brexit vote in the UK, the French elections, and the German elections. Was that OK?

I'd be surprised if any of the trolls respond.

 

[Kosh]

As this thread keeps proving, the far left religion is the most dangerous religion on the planet!

 

[Kosh]

EVERY country tries to "influence" elections in other countries.

EVERY country doesn’t hack into the computer systems of the opposing party and conduct a well staffed and well financed propaganda campaign of disinformation and lies to get their pet candidate elected.

And once elected, the candidate doesn’t do actual harm to their military treaties and trade relations and destroy their economy.

That’s what’s happening here.

Under Obama, the USA tried to influence the Israeli elections, by propaganda, hacking, internet ads, facebook, etc. they ran a smear campaign against Netanyahu, he still won, but the Obama administration tried to make him lose--------------are you OK with that?

We also tried to influence the Brexit vote in the UK, the French elections, and the German elections. Was that OK?

The ACLJ has just obtained new documents showing the Obama State Department misled Members of Congress about taxpayer funding going to an organization that was attempting to unseat the government of our ally Israel.

ACLJ Unearths Evidence Obama State Department Misled Congress on the Use of Taxpayer Funding to “Influence the Current Israeli Election” | American Center for Law and Justice

However we know the far left does not care about anything, unless it has an (R) next to the name.

Not to mention all the far left drones that supported the illegal wars of Obama/Clinton..

 

[Seawytch]

4

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

The media tried to influence the election more than any other group.

By beating up on Hillary about emails at every turn and covering all of Trump's rallies from start to finish? Yeah, okay...

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump

No liar by constantly reporting that Trump had no chance. You know this is why I hate you liberals, You cannot tell the truth about anything ever.

trump cant win - YouTube





Just a few so can lie about something else.

That's because until Russian rat fucking and one sided FBI disclosures, he didn't. (And she still got 3 million more votes)

Hillary lost because the American voters understood that she was a corrupt, lying, angry, old, sick bitch. Russia and the FBI did not make her those things, she lost because of who and what she is.

the entire 3 mill vote delta was in California, the state that is now billions in debt and drowning in human waste. The electoral college works, the founders were brilliant.

Oh fishy...it’s sad you’re so ill informed.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

 

[miketx]

4

The media tried to influence the election more than any other group.

By beating up on Hillary about emails at every turn and covering all of Trump's rallies from start to finish? Yeah, okay...

$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump

No liar by constantly reporting that Trump had no chance. You know this is why I hate you liberals, You cannot tell the truth about anything ever.

trump cant win - YouTube





Just a few so can lie about something else.

That's because until Russian rat fucking and one sided FBI disclosures, he didn't. (And she still got 3 million more votes)

Hillary lost because the American voters understood that she was a corrupt, lying, angry, old, sick bitch. Russia and the FBI did not make her those things, she lost because of who and what she is.

the entire 3 mill vote delta was in California, the state that is now billions in debt and drowning in human waste. The electoral college works, the founders were brilliant.

Oh fishy...it’s sad you’re so ill informed.

It’s true that if California’s vote totals were entirely removed from the equation then Hillary Clinton would lose her popular vote lead, but the logic of that assessment is somewhat flawed. One could, for example, arbitrarily remove the states of New York and Massachusetts from the vote count, docking Clinton roughly 2.6 million votes (and wiping out her popular vote win). Or one could similarly claim that Trump’s electoral vote victory “came entirely from Texas,” since if Clinton had taken the Lone Star state (and its 38 electoral votes), she would also have won the overall election. One could combine any number of states’ vote counts and exclude them from the aggregate, but doing so wouldn’t undo the basic mathematical principle that a vote difference in one state can’t sway the election results to or from a candidate who doesn’t also have significant support from multiple other states. In this case, California wouldn’t have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.4 million votes she received in other states.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

And you are informed how, exactly? lol

 

[Seawytch]

We knew of Russian meddling, we did not know of of the Steele Dossier or its content. We did not know there was an active counter intelligence investigation into the Trump campaign until AFTER the election.

You put me on ignore because I destroy you with facts you have no counter to.

you said that we did not know about the Russia/collusion investigation until after the election, that is not true. Mueller was charged to investigate Russian attempts to influence our election, not to engage in a witchhunt of the last 30 years of everyone involved in the Trump campaign. His committee consists solely of democrats and Hillary contributors, how can anyone think this is not biased?

No fishy, that's not what I said. I pointed out how stupid your deep state conspiracy theory is because we, the American people, were not informed that the Trump campaign was under counter intelligence investigation until AFTER the election. A "deep state partisan FBI would have disclosed that had they been out to get the orange oligarch.

your continual partisan lying and inability to participate in a civil debate is why I put you on ignore, and may do so again.

Where have I been uncivil? Pointing out facts you have no response to? You poor thing!!! Vicious!

when you post talking points and cites from partisan opinion mills that is both uncivil and disingenuous. You will not participate in a normal discussion because you know that the facts will always prove you and your liberal ideology wrong.''

Link to these uncivil sources, fishy.

On that topic, can you please tell us when and where socialism, communism, progressivism, or liberalism have ever worked in any country? Give us some good examples of success of the ideology that you want for the USA.

Trying to flee your own thread? When were we "on that topic"?

Pure socialism, just like pure capitalism, doesn't work. You need a good dose of both.

uncivil sources: CNN, MSNBC, NY times, Wash post, NBC, the dem party, Maxine waters, Pelosi, schumer, the Clintons, anything funded by Soros, antifa, Farrakhan, BLM, Kimmel, the view. I could go on, but maybe you get it.

what is the difference between capitalism and pure capitalism? socialism and pure socialism. careful, altruism exists in both but is the major aspect of socialism, except for the rulers of socialistic countries, the rulers are dictatorial capitalists.

Links fishy....shouting out names like you’ve got some weird Tourette’s Syndrome is not proof of uncivil behavior.

 

[U2Edge]

We spent 20 years influencing elections with tanks and artillery in Vietnam. In the end, we weren't very influential.

Actually the United States was very influential. Then it abandoned South Vietnam in 1973. It was only after the United States abandoned South Vietnam in 1973 that the country and government collapsed two years later in 1975 from the Soviet supported North Vietnamese offensive that rolled through the country the same way Hitler did in Poland in 1939.

 

[bendog]

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

I'm coming around to thinking that before the election Obama should have ordered the DOJ and FBI to release all information about Trump's connections to the Russians. But thanks for the OP

 

[rightwinger]

We spent 20 years influencing elections with tanks and artillery in Vietnam. In the end, we weren't very influential.

Actually the United States was very influential. Then it abandoned South Vietnam in 1973. It was only after the United States abandoned South Vietnam in 1973 that the country and government collapsed two years later in 1975 from the Soviet supported North Vietnamese offensive that rolled through the country the same way Hitler did in Poland in 1939.

We never should have been there to begin with