When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

[Indofred]

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

Not at all.
Workers need to earn that title by getting of their lard arses and actually working, doing the work they signed on for, at the wage they agreed to when they did so.

 

[Marxist]

It's not about "a true professional" pfft

Yes, it is. I can tell from everything that you're saying that you're young and inexperienced. A true professional does not discuss his pay with his peers. It is not their business what you get paid, it is not your business what they get paid.

shouldn't workers who WORK together want to discuss what the capitalist is paying them?

No. A worker who is unhappy with their pay needs to address their own pay related to their own work and value. Their are ways to research your value without having to ask your coworkers. But more importantly, trying to use Jim's pay to leverage better pay for yourself is the wrong approach. It does not work, it never works, unless management doesn't know what they are doing in the first place.

Yes, you can obviously tell all about me on an internet forum. You keep defining professional all you want, millions don't buy your notion. If workers want to discuss it, who the hell cares? Pfft, all workers make less then what they're worth, you don't address it in the way you put forth, what, does the factory worker in china privately talk with his boss? LOL

 

[Marxist]

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

Not at all.
Workers need to earn that title by getting of their lard arses and actually working, doing the work they signed on for, at the wage they agreed to when they did so.

Workers would be working, genius, it'd just be cooperative and for the benefit of all.

 

[Marxist]

The government should determine what people earn. We should all get paid exactly the same.

Then progressives wonder why their economies suck so badly that tens of millions starve and take showers in dirt.

No, the state should not exist at all, and payment should be determined on what one gives to society, or more so: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Yeah, marxist-leninist states failed, for the most part, much like exploited capitalist countries.

 

[Indofred]

Check my signature

I did.
You point to small scale groups of like minded idiots.
None of the left wing ideals, regardless of what you choose to call them, can ever work in the real world.
Read up on Thatcherism, an ideal that does work.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I never tell my coworkers how much I get paid. Because I almost always get paid more than they who have equal/comparable experience and tenure. Sometimes I get paid more than people who have higher positions than myself.

Aside from that, a true professional does not discuss these matters with coworkers. It does not matter how much I get paid. Your pay is your problem. If you think you are worth more money, then you need to make your case.

One thing that is evident from the story in the OP, the job seeker lacked negotiation skills.

It's not about "a true professional" pfft, shouldn't workers who WORK together want to discuss what the capitalist is paying them?

Most workers are not professionals, they are easily replaceable drones who put up with massive amounts of bullshit because they are nothing but faceless cogs and management reminds them every day of that fact. I never have worked for a big company because of just how coldly impersonal the employment relationship is when you have never laid eyes on the man who signs your paycheck.

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

Humans are a disease. Don't have faith in them, it's a mistake. Humanism is as big a lie as Christianity.

The solution to human suffering is extinction. Be of good cheer, but abandon all hope. See: Straw Dogs by John Gray. That will save you many years of having faith in what is utterly unworthy of said thing, humanity.

 

[Marxist]

I never tell my coworkers how much I get paid. Because I almost always get paid more than they who have equal/comparable experience and tenure. Sometimes I get paid more than people who have higher positions than myself.

Aside from that, a true professional does not discuss these matters with coworkers. It does not matter how much I get paid. Your pay is your problem. If you think you are worth more money, then you need to make your case.

One thing that is evident from the story in the OP, the job seeker lacked negotiation skills.

It's not about "a true professional" pfft, shouldn't workers who WORK together want to discuss what the capitalist is paying them?

Most workers are not professionals, they are easily replaceable drones who put up with massive amounts of bullshit because they are nothing but faceless cogs and management reminds them every day of that fact. I never have worked for a big company because of just how coldly impersonal the employment relationship is when you have never laid eyes on the man who signs your paycheck.

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

Humans are a disease. Don't have faith in them, it's a mistake. Humanism is as big a lie as Christianity.

The solution to human suffering is extinction. Be of good cheer, but abandon all hope. See: Straw Dogs by John Gray. That will save you many years of having faith in what is utterly unworthy of said thing, humanity.

Please, see what was achieved in the paris commune, the free ukraine territories, etc.. I have hope.

 

[Indofred]

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

Not at all.
Workers need to earn that title by getting of their lard arses and actually working, doing the work they signed on for, at the wage they agreed to when they did so.

Workers would be working, genius, it'd just be cooperative and for the benefit of all.

And all voting themselves pay rises every week, well, until the workers' idiocy goes bust.

 

[Marxist]

Check my signature

I did.
You point to small scale groups of like minded idiots.
None of the left wing ideals, regardless of what you choose to call them, can ever work in the real world.
Read up on Thatcherism, an ideal that does work.

Yeah, idiots. Tell me all about these idiots. They did work, until they were violently crushed, and against all odds, they succeeded when they existed, and this isn't the USSR. They weren't that small.

 

[occupied]

I never tell my coworkers how much I get paid. Because I almost always get paid more than they who have equal/comparable experience and tenure. Sometimes I get paid more than people who have higher positions than myself.

Aside from that, a true professional does not discuss these matters with coworkers. It does not matter how much I get paid. Your pay is your problem. If you think you are worth more money, then you need to make your case.

One thing that is evident from the story in the OP, the job seeker lacked negotiation skills.

It's not about "a true professional" pfft, shouldn't workers who WORK together want to discuss what the capitalist is paying them?

Most workers are not professionals, they are easily replaceable drones who put up with massive amounts of bullshit because they are nothing but faceless cogs and management reminds them every day of that fact. I never have worked for a big company because of just how coldly impersonal the employment relationship is when you have never laid eyes on the man who signs your paycheck.

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

It's just how humans are wired, we cannot conceive a system where there is no ruling hierarchy, no big boss controlling everything. It's why Socialism/Marxism devolves into everything it claims to hate. Our reptilian mid-brain demands a clear leader but leaders usually place themselves above the rabble and serve their own interests, something Marxism aims to remedy but can never truly achieve on a large scale.

 

[Marxist]

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

Not at all.
Workers need to earn that title by getting of their lard arses and actually working, doing the work they signed on for, at the wage they agreed to when they did so.

Workers would be working, genius, it'd just be cooperative and for the benefit of all.

And all voting themselves pay rises every week, well, until the workers' idiocy goes bust.

Doesn't happen in companies that have things very close to socialism, nor did it happen in the examples I've given, try again. Your rhetoric is boring me.

 

[Indofred]

The government should determine what people earn. We should all get paid exactly the same

So a brainless burger flipper should get paid the same as a highly qualified doctor?
Who the merry fuck would bother getting qualified and doing a difficult job if he could earn the same by doing shit all?

 

[Marxist]

I never tell my coworkers how much I get paid. Because I almost always get paid more than they who have equal/comparable experience and tenure. Sometimes I get paid more than people who have higher positions than myself.

Aside from that, a true professional does not discuss these matters with coworkers. It does not matter how much I get paid. Your pay is your problem. If you think you are worth more money, then you need to make your case.

One thing that is evident from the story in the OP, the job seeker lacked negotiation skills.

It's not about "a true professional" pfft, shouldn't workers who WORK together want to discuss what the capitalist is paying them?

Most workers are not professionals, they are easily replaceable drones who put up with massive amounts of bullshit because they are nothing but faceless cogs and management reminds them every day of that fact. I never have worked for a big company because of just how coldly impersonal the employment relationship is when you have never laid eyes on the man who signs your paycheck.

It's disturbing. Workers need to take over production, work together, care for each other..

It's just how humans are wired, we cannot conceive a system where there is no ruling hierarchy, no big boss controlling everything. It's why Socialism/Marxism devolves into everything it claims to hate. Our reptilian mid-brain demands a clear leader but leaders usually place themselves above the rabble and serve their own interests, something Marxism aims for but can never truly achieve on a large scale.

We already have, we have accomplished it, and if we can't, we already have the concept of no state that has been achieved, the concept of direct democracy, it doesn't devolve, the examples I've given that worked were violently overthrown, look what happened to those in the paris commune.

The Free Territory (Ukrainian: Вільна територіяvilna terytoriya; Russian: свободная территорияsvobodnaya territoriya) or Makhnovia (МахновщинаMakhnovshchyna) was an attempt to form a statelessanarchist[1] society during the Ukrainian Revolution. It existed from 1918 to 1921, during which time "free soviets" and libertariancommunes[2] operated under the protection of Nestor Makhno's Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army. The population of the area was around seven million.[3]

7 Million during a revolution, and the bolsheviks fighting against the anarchists, and they succeeded,

 

[Indofred]

Doesn't happen in companies that have things very close to socialism, nor did it happen in the examples I've given, try again. Your rhetoric is boring me.

Examples you've given?
A couple of small scale communes. Pathetic.

 

[Marxist]

Doesn't happen in companies that have things very close to socialism, nor did it happen in the examples I've given, try again. Your rhetoric is boring me.

Examples you've given?
A couple of small scale communes. Pathetic.

Yeah, 7 million people is small, and that's just the Ukrainian free territory in a horrid time.

 

[MarathonMike]

If you want a blueprint for failure in your working life, just keep focusing on what your co-workers make. Successful people don't give a shit what co-workers make they are focused and work hard and know what they are worth. If they aren't getting it, they leave and go find it somewhere else.

 

[Marxist]

If you want a blueprint for failure in your working life, just keep focusing on what your co-workers make. Successful people don't give a shit what co-workers make they are focused and work hard and know what they are worth. If they aren't getting it, they leave and go find it somewhere else.

That's not the issue of this article, have you even bothered to read it instead of spewing rhetoric?

 

[SwimExpert]

Yes, you can obviously tell all about me on an internet forum.

I can tell that you are young and inexperienced. Don't get defensive, it's nothing to be ashamed about. We are all young and inexperienced at one point in our lives. Actually, most of us end up being inexperienced a multiple times across our lives in one way or another.

I am sincerely trying to open your eyes to methods and approaches that work, and work very well. Your idealism is commendable, but pure idealism never pans out well in the end because anything less than a perfect end game is a failure when being idealistic. If you become willing to take a more pragmatic approach, you'll find that you can make progress and move toward improved circumstances.

Even a drive-thru worker at McDonalds can successfully improve their income if they go about it the correct way. Chatting up co-workers and sowing seeds of discord is not the way to do it.

You keep defining professional all you want, millions don't buy your notion.

Actually, I'm not defining professionalism at all. I'm simply explaining to you the code of professional conduct that millions already abide by and expect from you and me both.

If workers want to discuss it, who the hell cares?

It's your decision. But it will not yield the results you are looking for. Trust me, been there and done it, at the ripe age of 16 years old. I managed to squeak myself out my little 50c raise, but at the end of the day it was only because my boss at the time was an idiot who didn't know what she was doing in the first place. And it created a ridiculous amount of workplace turmoil. In the adult world, that turmoil is poisonous.

Pfft, all workers make less then what they're worth

Not me.

you don't address it in the way you put forth, what, does the factory worker in china privately talk with his boss? LOL

Everyone make the money they agreed to work for. The key is to not agree to a job that underpays you.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Please, see what was achieved in the paris commune, the free ukraine territories, etc.. I have hope.

Don't, it's a fool's errand.

To understand why you need to know that there are two interpretations of Pandora's Box, the positive one, that hope remained inside, and the negative one, that hope remained inside. Hope is a curse, it keeps you from doing what must be done because you hope that it won't be necessary, which usually isn't true. Don't hope, act. You might be wrong but you can never be accused of sitting on the sidelines while the world burned, unless of course, you are at peace with such a thing.

Humanity isn't just unworthy of your higher notions, they will reject them, with violence no less. They are the scorpion that would sooner sting you and drown than change their nature and peaceful embrace your hand attempting to save them from the rushing waters. You do not have to watch the trains collide, but you cannot stop them either. By their nature, that is what they do, it's just a matter of time.

 

[Marxist]

Yes, you can obviously tell all about me on an internet forum.

I can tell that you are young and inexperienced. Don't get defensive, it's nothing to be ashamed about. We are all young and inexperienced at one point in our lives. Actually, most of us end up being inexperienced a multiple times across our lives in one way or another.

I am sincerely trying to open your eyes to methods and approaches that work, and work very well. Your idealism is commendable, but pure idealism never pans out well in the end because anything less than a perfect end game is a failure when being idealistic. If you become willing to take a more pragmatic approach, you'll find that you can make progress and move toward improved circumstances.

Even a drive-thru worker at McDonalds can successfully improve their income if they go about it the correct way. Chatting up co-workers and sowing seeds of discord is not the way to do it.

You keep defining professional all you want, millions don't buy your notion.

Actually, I'm not defining professionalism at all. I'm simply explaining to you the code of professional conduct that millions already abide by and expect from you and me both.

If workers want to discuss it, who the hell cares?

It's your decision. But it will not yield the results you are looking for. Trust me, been there and done it, at the ripe age of 16 years old. I managed to squeak myself out my little 50c raise, but at the end of the day it was only because my boss at the time was an idiot who didn't know what she was doing in the first place. And it created a ridiculous amount of workplace turmoil. In the adult world, that turmoil is poisonous.

Pfft, all workers make less then what they're worth

Not me.

you don't address it in the way you put forth, what, does the factory worker in china privately talk with his boss? LOL

Everyone make the money they agreed to work for. The key is to not agree to a job that underpays you.

I can tell that you are young

Assumptions based on your own bullshit rhetoric to support your idea of not wanting workers to organize, it's obvious you want that. (See, I can spew bullshit to.)