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Only those kids on a free ride from Daddy get to take 10 credits and party.
Personally, I went 35 years ago and paid my own way working minimum wage jobs. I gripe because you can't do that anymore
My experience is from my own kids who are in College and their friends. I don't see them partying, I see them struggling to stay in school. These are middle class working families who struggle to find the money to send their kid to school the next year.
I also hire recent college graduates. They are up to their eyeballs in debt and will take years to be solvent.
I'll say it again. ACCEPTS NO FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL. No government support.
What's the tuition each year?
Good choice, great little school.I'll say it again. ACCEPTS NO FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL. No government support.
What's the tuition each year?
$18,650
Hillsdale College
University of California students protest 32 percent tuition increase - CNN.com
"Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Angry students at the Davis, California, branch of the University of California refused to vacate the school's administration building Thursday evening in a show of defiance and protest over a 32-percent undergraduate tuition hike instituted by the California Board of Regents earlier in the day."
The discussion probably went something like this. Everyone in California deserves a quality education and an affordable price. This program is deficit neutral. We'll just tax the rich. Skip to present day...
"About 100 University of California police officers tried to keep student protests under control on the UCLA campus today. Officers wore riot gear and used barricades and pepper ball rifles during demonstrations against the student fee increases the UC Regents approved."
Cops in riot gear keep an eye on protesters at UCLA | 89.3 KPCC
Has EVERYONE learned anything?
Government controlled education...cradle to grave...that's all we need.Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.
Why does a single class cost $3000 ?
Logic, reality and the laws of Physics mean nothing to liberals.Fucking retards STILL Don't realize that you can't have 15 million Illegal Aliens running around here without it costing us big time.
It's like have 3 additional states!
The root of this problem is in the government grade schools. The bar has been lowered; political correctness has dictated that all pass, all are given diplomas, all are equally educated by the all mighty government-run system that excludes the idea that performance actually counts. Teachers are changing answers on students tests in order to appear that they have done their job well. We have the most deplorable public education system on earth thanks to the NEA, the federal government and the refusal of those in control to fire incompetent "teachers".Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.
Why does a single class cost $3000 ?
Who's gonna pay for it? Your children? Your children's children? Your children's children's children?
Do you have any concept of the following words:
Debt
Bankrupt
Any grasp of the concept that this 'healthcare' bill is actually bullshit? It won't achieve what Obama set out to achieve with it. Do you understand that?
Seriously, I can understand why you want what you want but.... This is not going to achieve it and in 10 years time you will deny that you ever supported it.
Go back to your Glory Hole you bitch!
Where did I say anything about free education? I was addressing the escallating costs of education. Given that only liberals actually get educations, I know this doesn't concern republicans. But the costs have risen without any improvement in the product
Yeah. I had to rep him for that one.Well, when you're right, you're right.Darned socialist school system.
Everyone should have the individual freedom to pay for their own education.
We need to abolish the public school system.
As stated above. We need seriously talented auto mechanics, bus drivers, bus boys, factory workers, retail clerks, bicycle couriers, taxi drivers, bartenders and lawyers. There's no need in everybody goin' to college.Maybe if universities actually only let those capable of succeeding in, there would be less demand. Maybe if weeding out the slackers and the incapable was not now frowned upon, the demand would be less. More demand, higher costs.
Oh, and Saveliberty? I know for a fact that some of the chemistry faculty there receive (or received) grant monies from the NSF.
A bit off-topic, but I feel this needs to be said. I'm referring back to what I said earlier.
Two of my good friends in college are dramatically different from what Annie believes to be the regular college student.
One is a late 20's/early 30's (haven't asked him his age) guy who has a regular job and is trying to get a degree here at the college. He's middle of the road politically. We don't talk politics but we do talk general stuff.
The other is a mid 20's veteran. Also a guy, Conservative to the bone. He's also trying to get a degree to get a better job. We do talk politics. He and Annie would probably get along greatly politically. Hell, he believes a good deal of what is said here by some of the right. But you know what? He's a great guy and we got a good deal in common. For a while, every wednesday, we use to comment and laugh at the Socialists in the Quad who were trying to get some of the college students walking by to listen to what they said. What makes it even more hilarious to me is that one day they came with a Obama Hitler sign talking about how bad Obama is but that's beside the point.
My point is that, the college I go to is not the typical college of yesterday. People who are affected by the price increases are not just "whiny Liberals" who are out to get a free education. They're real people with real jobs just trying to do exactly what this country stands for.
Usually, NSF and NIH grants are for research (sometimes they are for education in research, but more often for research). When a faculty member is awarded a grant, the grant monies are given to the university and the university creates and account for that faculty member.Oh, and Saveliberty? I know for a fact that some of the chemistry faculty there receive (or received) grant monies from the NSF.
Not sure how that works. I do know this:
"Hillsdale’s modern rise to prominence occurred in the 1970s. On the pretext that some of its students were receiving federal loans, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare attempted to interfere with the College’s internal affairs, including a demand that Hillsdale begin counting its students by race. Hillsdale’s trustees responded with two toughly worded resolutions: One, the College would continue its policy of non-discrimination. Two, "with the help of God," it would "resist, by all legal means, any encroachments on its independence."
Following almost a decade of litigation, the U.S. Supreme Court decided against Hillsdale in 1984. By this time, the College had announced that rather than complying with unconstitutional federal regulation, it would instruct its students that they could no longer bring federal taxpayer money to Hillsdale. Instead, the College would replace that aid with private contributions." - Hillsdale College
Hillsdale was first in the state to admit blacks and women. It had the highest number (not percentage) of students fight in the Civil War of any state college.
I see that too Dogbert. In California, I'm not so sure that would hold though.
I see that too Dogbert. In California, I'm not so sure that would hold though.
See, that's the point I'm trying to get across in a way. My situation and California's situation is completely different in many ways. Yet some people (Lost Soul, Annie) want to group us all under one brush. I'm not getting a free ride from my parents, I'm not some elite snob who's trying to talk down to anyone. I'm asking for consistency from people and some fairness in the matter.
You've been more than fine in this thread Liberty so I'm not addressing these statements to you.
For the record, I haven't asked for my parent's help in paying for my college stuff. I still live with them and they buy me dinner sometimes. I mean they for pay for rent and all that stuff but still. I have taken out loans, I rely on my student aid on otherwise. I have bought all my books (which aren't cheap by any means) and all college stuff related. I'm not looking for a handout when it comes to student aid, all I'm looking for is a helping hand to get through when needed.
Most parents would be happy to have a kid that is doing what you are. You will be a better person for going through what you are. I hate to bring it up, but you will probably become a conservative in your old age because of it.
Hey, I'm entitled to an off day once and a while.
The last time I checked, most colleges are ran by liberals. So its you're own kind charging you through the teeth. Ironic isn't it........
Ironic that the colleges (even state ones) are doing the most to make a buck? Not at all.
Who the colleges are run by in my point doesn't matter. My point is that if these were people protesting Obama, you'd be cheering them on you hypocrite.
And here you are cheering on the protesters yet attack the tea parties. Now who is the fucking hypocrite you sorry piece of rat shit........
I'm referring to the costs of college becoming so expensive that it's becoming a place for people who are wealthier who can only afford it.
Don't even get me started on the SATs, another racket and joke. As for colleges accepting almost anyone, you're seeing that trend reverse too.
That's bullshit. Higher education has always been the bastion of the wealthy, with the brilliant allowed in for free.
Problem for last 40 years, they are allowing ijits in for free; curtailing ability for really brilliant people, without the money; while still catering to the elite. You are a bright, not brilliant snob.
No it hasn't.
I went to college 35 years ago. I was able to pay my tuition, room and board on what I was making earning minimum wage. Minimum wage was $2 an hour at the time. My tuition at a state university was $650 a year.
Try to do that today. Kids go to school and drive themselves and parents into debt. The schools have been able to raise prices every year while working class salaries have remained stagnant
What violence from the tea partiers?And here you are cheering on the protesters yet attack the tea parties. Now who is the fucking hypocrite you sorry piece of rat shit........
I attack the tea parties? Really? I think I "attack" the more violent and loony part of the tea parties. The same part that the normal people want gone.
But nice comeback, shows you're never too old to use the "But Mom! He's doing it too!" argument.
What violence from the tea partiers?
I see that too Dogbert. In California, I'm not so sure that would hold though.
See, that's the point I'm trying to get across in a way. My situation and California's situation is completely different in many ways. Yet some people (Lost Soul, Annie) want to group us all under one brush. I'm not getting a free ride from my parents, I'm not some elite snob who's trying to talk down to anyone. I'm asking for consistency from people and some fairness in the matter.
You've been more than fine in this thread Liberty so I'm not addressing these statements to you.
For the record, I haven't asked for my parent's help in paying for my college stuff. I still live with them and they buy me dinner sometimes. I mean they for pay for rent and all that stuff but still. I have taken out loans, I rely on my student aid on otherwise. I have bought all my books (which aren't cheap by any means) and all college stuff related. I'm not looking for a handout when it comes to student aid, all I'm looking for is a helping hand to get through when needed.
