When liberals face reality

[Modbert]

I agree Fox, people shouldn't think they are entitled to anything that easily while many people work to get this far (such as myself). I'm not saying that there are no college students who are there on their daddy's money or are just plain lazy and not putting forth the effort.

My problem is with people who think all of us going to college are like that.

 

[Annie]

All I can say after all the machinations, even one with serious learning disabilities, but gifts and an iron but to succeed in courses against the non-academically inclined, may prevail.

Don't get me wrong, it took my daughter 9 years to finish what normally takes 4. Academics aren't her strong suit. She subbed at my school 3 years ago, the kids not only remember her, they keep pushing the principal to hire her.

 

[Polk]

That's bullshit. Higher education has always been the bastion of the wealthy, with the brilliant allowed in for free.

You want to call my bank and tell them that?

 

[Polk]

A valid question Dogbert. One that deserves an answer from your college and they should follow through on improvements too. I have one out of college last spring and two others in college. My youngest attends a private college that froze tuition for 2008-09, because they understand what you are saying. It is a VERY conservative school by the way.

I'm sure. The cost of college is not a Conservative or Liberal issue, it's an issue. People need to understand that. College is no longer a place where it's just 18 year olds anymore either. Especially the type of college that I go to that is more of a commuter college.

The cost of college is getting out of hand. Even for a somewhat decent college, you're paying so much back in loans that it's getting outrageous. And why is it outrageous? Because it doesn't need to be this way. You don't need to tax the fuck out of the rich either like some on here think that the solution would be put forth.

All it takes is a bit of common sense. However, that today, is a rarity in itself.

The cost is a conservative and liberal issue. As I stated, my youngest attends a very conservative private college. HOW did they manage to freeze tuition this year? This year of all years? Because they managed their money very carefully. They cut where they could without endangering the quality of education. They continued their restrictive standards for entrance and didn't throw open the doors like money whores. Now I am going to say soething you will not believe. This college DOESN"T ACCEPT ANY FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL. Think about that for a moment.

I imagine you're talking about Hillsdale. If so, it's not that they don't accept federal funds. It's that they aren't legally able to receive federal funds because claim a right to racial discrimination.

 

[saveliberty]

I'm sure. The cost of college is not a Conservative or Liberal issue, it's an issue. People need to understand that. College is no longer a place where it's just 18 year olds anymore either. Especially the type of college that I go to that is more of a commuter college.

The cost of college is getting out of hand. Even for a somewhat decent college, you're paying so much back in loans that it's getting outrageous. And why is it outrageous? Because it doesn't need to be this way. You don't need to tax the fuck out of the rich either like some on here think that the solution would be put forth.

All it takes is a bit of common sense. However, that today, is a rarity in itself.

The cost is a conservative and liberal issue. As I stated, my youngest attends a very conservative private college. HOW did they manage to freeze tuition this year? This year of all years? Because they managed their money very carefully. They cut where they could without endangering the quality of education. They continued their restrictive standards for entrance and didn't throw open the doors like money whores. Now I am going to say soething you will not believe. This college DOESN"T ACCEPT ANY FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL. Think about that for a moment.

I imagine you're talking about Hillsdale. If so, it's not that they don't accept federal funds. It's that they aren't legally able to receive federal funds because claim a right to racial discrimination.

So you are claiming there are no minority students at Hillsdale? Speak up man, be clear in your position. Then prepare to be smited where you stand. They claim, rightfully so, a HISTORY of equality.

 

[Polk]

The cost is a conservative and liberal issue. As I stated, my youngest attends a very conservative private college. HOW did they manage to freeze tuition this year? This year of all years? Because they managed their money very carefully. They cut where they could without endangering the quality of education. They continued their restrictive standards for entrance and didn't throw open the doors like money whores. Now I am going to say soething you will not believe. This college DOESN"T ACCEPT ANY FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL. Think about that for a moment.

I imagine you're talking about Hillsdale. If so, it's not that they don't accept federal funds. It's that they aren't legally able to receive federal funds because claim a right to racial discrimination.

So you are claiming there are no minority students at Hillsdale? Speak up man, be clear in your position. Then prepare to be smited where you stand. They claim, rightfully so, a HISTORY of equality.

They claim it, and yet they refuse to abide by federal laws which prohibit discrimination. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Si modo]

I'm sure. The cost of college is not a Conservative or Liberal issue, it's an issue. People need to understand that. College is no longer a place where it's just 18 year olds anymore either. Especially the type of college that I go to that is more of a commuter college.

The cost of college is getting out of hand. Even for a somewhat decent college, you're paying so much back in loans that it's getting outrageous. And why is it outrageous? Because it doesn't need to be this way. You don't need to tax the fuck out of the rich either like some on here think that the solution would be put forth.

All it takes is a bit of common sense. However, that today, is a rarity in itself.

The cost is a conservative and liberal issue. As I stated, my youngest attends a very conservative private college. HOW did they manage to freeze tuition this year? This year of all years? Because they managed their money very carefully. They cut where they could without endangering the quality of education. They continued their restrictive standards for entrance and didn't throw open the doors like money whores. Now I am going to say soething you will not believe. This college DOESN"T ACCEPT ANY FEDERAL MONEY AT ALL. Think about that for a moment.

I imagine you're talking about Hillsdale. If so, it's not that they don't accept federal funds. It's that they aren't legally able to receive federal funds because claim a right to racial discrimination.

It looks like you know shit about Hillsdale.

 

[saveliberty]

I imagine you're talking about Hillsdale. If so, it's not that they don't accept federal funds. It's that they aren't legally able to receive federal funds because claim a right to racial discrimination.

So you are claiming there are no minority students at Hillsdale? Speak up man, be clear in your position. Then prepare to be smited where you stand. They claim, rightfully so, a HISTORY of equality.

They claim it, and yet they refuse to abide by federal laws which prohibit discrimination. Actions speak louder than words.

Answer my question Polk. Are there minority students at Hillsdale? If there are, then that would be an action right? If they are not that would be an action too, corect? Which is it?

 

[Polk]

So you are claiming there are no minority students at Hillsdale? Speak up man, be clear in your position. Then prepare to be smited where you stand. They claim, rightfully so, a HISTORY of equality.

They claim it, and yet they refuse to abide by federal laws which prohibit discrimination. Actions speak louder than words.

Answer my question Polk. Are there minority students at Hillsdale? If there are, then that would be an action right? If they are not that would be an action too, corect? Which is it?

Yes, there are, but it's irrelevant. They still insist that they have a legal right to discriminate.

 

[Si modo]

They claim it, and yet they refuse to abide by federal laws which prohibit discrimination. Actions speak louder than words.

Answer my question Polk. Are there minority students at Hillsdale? If there are, then that would be an action right? If they are not that would be an action too, corect? Which is it?

Yes, there are, but it's irrelevant. They still insist that they have a legal right to discriminate.

You are aware that the SCOTUS has ruled that universities do have the legal right to discriminate in admissions, right?

 

[Modbert]

You are aware that the SCOTUS has ruled that universities do have the legal right to discriminate in admissions, right?

I think he's arguing the moral issue rather than legal.

 

[mudwhistle]

What violence from the tea partiers?

Being the more violent ones doesn't mean there has to be violence. It's more personality. The ones who are calling for the blood of Tyrants while calling Obama a tyrant for starters.

So because they are perceived to be more violent they are guilty of violence.

First time I've ever seen a group accused of violence without having committed any.

Brilliant. Seems the violence is in your head.

I think throughout or history the left has usually been involved in more violent protests then the right. But I'm not gonna assume that they committed violence unless they ACTUALLY COMMITTED violent acts.

Yup....let's lock those Bible Toting Gun Loving bastards away because you can't think about them without seeing blood.

 

[Modbert]

So because they are perceived to be more violent they are guilty of violence.

First time I've ever seen a group accused of violence without having committed any.

Brilliant. Seems the violence is in your head.

I think throughout or history the left has usually been involved in more violent protest then the right. But I'm not gonna assume that they committed violence unless they ACTUALLY COMMITTED violent acts.

I never accused them of violence. I accused specific ones of being violent. As in their personality. Get a clue there Mud.

 

[Si modo]

You are aware that the SCOTUS has ruled that universities do have the legal right to discriminate in admissions, right?

I think he's arguing the moral issue rather than legal.

Mmmm, I don't think so: "They still insist that they have a legal right to discriminate", seems pretty clear.

 

[saveliberty]

They claim it, and yet they refuse to abide by federal laws which prohibit discrimination. Actions speak louder than words.

Answer my question Polk. Are there minority students at Hillsdale? If there are, then that would be an action right? If they are not that would be an action too, corect? Which is it?

Yes, there are, but it's irrelevant. They still insist that they have a legal right to discriminate.

Hillsdale insists that the government has no right to demand they show continual proof they are not discriminating. They are a historical and present leader in admiting minority students. The US Supreme Court ruled they could continue their view, but not with federal funding. Thumbing their nose at government control and red tape, while upholding the principle of a quality education for all.

Passed by the Hillsdale College Board of Trustees
October 17, 2003

WHEREAS the Board of Trustees and Administration of Hillsdale College have been entrusted with, and are determined to uphold, the original and great principles and mission of the College as set down nearly 160 years ago by its founders; and

WHEREAS those principles and that mission require the College to provide “sound learning” to all willing students, and to do so in a way that perpetuates the “blessings of civil and religious liberty” and “intelligent piety” in the land; and

WHEREAS the entanglement of the federal government in the financing of colleges and universities, and the consequent regulation of these institutions by federal agencies, violate the idea of limited government embodied in the Constitution; and

WHEREAS such violations are inherently corrupt, as seen in attempts of the Department of Education to force Hillsdale College to count its students by race, in direct violation of the noblest principles of the College and of America; now therefore be it

RESOLVED that Hillsdale College will continue zealously to defend and uphold, against all threats and inducements, its independence from federal government financing and federal government regulation; and be it further

RESOLVED that the Administration of Hillsdale College, with the support of the Board of Trustees, will continue to provide not only the finest liberal arts education, but also national leadership in promoting the principles of liberty across the land, and it will pursue these aims in strict avoidance of all subsidy from the federal taxpayer.

 

[saveliberty]

I have had the priviledge of listening to speeches from two great friend of Hillsdale College over the years. Margaret Thatcher and Justice Thomas were both very interesting and inspiring people.

Back on topic, liberal California attempted to create an educational coverage plan. It became too expensive and they abondoned the students. Learn the lesson history is trying to teach here.

 

[rightwinger]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

How do colleges justify $3000 per class? If there are 25 students in a Freshman English class, the school is receiving $75,000 for a class that meets 3 hours a week for 15 weeks. How much overhead do universities have?

 

[saveliberty]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

How do colleges justify $3000 per class? If there are 25 students in a Freshman English class, the school is receiving $75,000 for a class that meets 3 hours a week for 15 weeks. How much overhead do universities have?

It would make more sense if professors and universities had to carry educational malpractice insurance. Educational malpractice needs to be developed as a legal recourse.

 

[Bfgrn]

The Educational Legacy of Ronald Reagan

What is Mr. Reagan's educational legacy? Let's begin with a look at his record as governor of California. While running for the governorship, Mr. Reagan shrewdly made the most of disorder on University of California campuses. For instance, he demanded a legislative investigation of alleged Communism and sexual misconduct at the University of California at Berkeley. He insisted on public hearings, claiming "a small minority of hippies, radicals and filthy speech advocates" had caused disorder and that they should "be taken by the scruff of the neck and thrown off campus -- permanently"

Once elected, Mr. Reagan set the educational tone for his administration by:

a. calling for an end to free tuition for state college and university students,

b. annually demanding 20% across-the-board cuts in higher education funding

c. repeatedly slashing construction funds for state campuses

d. engineering the firing of Clark Kerr, the popular President of the University of California, and

e. declaring that the state "should not subsidize intellectual curiosity"

And he certainly did not let up on the criticisms of campus protestors that had aided his election. Mr. Reagan's denunciations of student protesters were both frequent and particularly venomous. He called protesting students "brats," "freaks," and "cowardly fascists." And when it came to "restoring order" on unruly campuses he observed, "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement!"

Several days later four Kent State students were shot to death. In the aftermath of this tragedy Mr. Reagan declared his remark was only a "figure of speech." He added that anyone who was upset by it was "neurotic." One wonders if this reveals him as a demagogue or merely unfeeling.

Governor Reagan not only slashed spending on higher education. Throughout his tenure as governor Mr. Reagan consistently and effectively opposed additional funding for basic education. This led to painful increases in local taxes and the deterioration of California's public schools. Los Angeles voters got so fed up picking up the slack that on five separate occasions they refused to support any further increases in local school taxes. The consequent under-funding resulted in overcrowded classrooms, ancient worn-out textbooks, crumbling buildings and badly demoralized teachers. Ultimately half of the Los Angeles Unified School District's teachers walked off the job to protest conditions in their schools. Mr. Reagan was unmoved.

Ronald Reagan left California public education worse than he found it. A system that had been the envy of the nation when he was elected was in decline when he left. Nevertheless, Mr. Reagan's actions had political appeal, particularly to his core conservative constituency, many of whom had no time for public education.

 

[chanel]

And the next hurdle will be free internet. And the next one - cars. And the next one - home ownership... Oh wait.

Man - there isn't one thing the libs want people to work toward is there? "The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money to spend"