When it comes to religion... can we all agree...

[Carla_Danger]

Oh, it's such a short distance. Here's one imbecile who thinks that stoning gays is just the right thing to do. This is the definition of extremism....

Oklahoma Republican thinks stoning gay people is okay

Oklahoma Republican thinks stoning gay people is okay WashingtonExaminer.com

and find a few hundred million just like him, and you would be right to compare Christianity to Islam.

As is, you are just a desperate idiot indulging in dishonest moral equivalencies.

I don't think YOU should be calling anyone an idiot.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Eu

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

especially the extreme atheists

Atheists don't bother you at your private residence while you're eating dinner, Mormon's do.

No, that's true. But I've had atheists butt into a philosophical discussion I was having with colleagues on far more than one occasion. They seem to think it OK to be rude in that situation.

Well that's too bad. I hope you set them straight.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Extremism is dangerous - whether it's religious or political (and I would consider athiesm in with religious), whether it's pro-something or anti something. The cause is more important than the human cost of bringing that cause to fruition. I think there is also an element of insanity involved sometimes because in order to do this, you have to be able to discard human lives or convince yourself that some lives or groups of people, are less than.

People of all shapes and sizes can do some horrific things when they feel they have "right" on their side.

 

[westwall]

Eu

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

especially the extreme atheists

Atheists don't bother you at your private residence while you're eating dinner, Mormon's do.

No, that's true. But I've had atheists butt into a philosophical discussion I was having with colleagues on far more than one occasion. They seem to think it OK to be rude in that situation.

Well that's too bad. I hope you set them straight.

Yes, we managed to deal with them. One was a particularly obnoxious bastard though. We actually called campus police to deal with him. He would not leave us alone.

 

[Treeshepherd]

As Nietzche said, God is not a domestic servant or a postman or an almanac maker. If he were so, we would have to abolish him. That is a corrupt conception of God, "representing the low water mark in the descending development of the God type".

The Christian God is (or should be) more akin to the subtle God of Tolstoy. Or, consider the Christian God of Hugo in Les Miserables, who at Waterloo caused a brief rainstorm which set into motion a cascade of events leading to the defeat of the invincible Napoleon.

As Nietzsche said, God does not care if you or I have a head cold. The universe is one continuous indivisible whole in the eyes of God, speaking metaphorically.

As Kierkegaard said, we have free will and God is omnipotent. To remove one side of the equation is to cop out on the paradox and the mystery of being.

 

[Avatar4321]

Eu

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

especially the extreme atheists

Atheists don't bother you at your private residence while you're eating dinner, Mormon's do.

sure you do. You preach on whatever tv shows you can push your agenda on. And people can't talk back

 

[Avatar4321]

Oh, it's such a short distance. Here's one imbecile who thinks that stoning gays is just the right thing to do. This is the definition of extremism....

Oklahoma Republican thinks stoning gay people is okay

Oklahoma Republican thinks stoning gay people is okay WashingtonExaminer.com

and find a few hundred million just like him, and you would be right to compare Christianity to Islam.

As is, you are just a desperate idiot indulging in dishonest moral equivalencies.

I don't think YOU should be calling anyone an idiot.

I tend to think most people should refrain from calling others idiots. Especially just for disagreeing. There is something we can learn from everyone.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If a religion demands that you kill people (and there are plenty of passages in the OT that do that) who cares if it's by decapitation or by stoning or whatever? Dead is dead

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It is why, not how they murder. Envision yourself walking into your child's or grandchild's elementary class and killing one child after another, the next petrified child, and the next and the next and watching the blood run down over the steps and enjoying it.
While you may find an imbalanced Christian in this century, that we live in, an imbalanced one here, maybe there, what you don't find are millions of Christians that think it is their duty to kill every non-Christian on earth, or to pray for the ones who are doing the killing.
The concept of Islam is, peace by eliminating the competition. The concept of Christ is peace through love and forgiveness. The two religious concepts are polar opposites. The difference is why it's not Christians flying planes into buildings, and terrorizing the world.

Before whomever helps their Muslim neighbors move in, ask them if they read the Qur'an first. If they say yes, and/or that they prayed for you today, go home and read just what they prayed for you, infidel. There is no moderate Muslim. There are the ones who love their bloody calling, and those who pray for the martyr's or killer's success. In this century. That we live in.
And they are just getting started......

 

[Treeshepherd]

Christ said give what is Caesar's to Caesar, and give what is God's to God. Christ never intended to establish a government.

Islam is inherently tied up with politics. In Islam, politics and religion are inseparable, according to the Quran.

Augustine once said that the city of God is built with a temporary scaffolding. Ultimately, the scaffolding (doctrine) is pulled away. The end game of Christianity is a harmonious anarchy.

"For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the one which had yet to come". -Paul's letter to the Hebrews

 

[Carla_Danger]

Eu

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

especially the extreme atheists

Atheists don't bother you at your private residence while you're eating dinner, Mormon's do.

sure you do. You preach on whatever tv shows you can push your agenda on. And people can't talk back

If you have your television set, tuned to a particular channel while you are eating, you're inviting them into your home.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I don't think YOU should be calling anyone an idiot.

I am not the one indulging in nothing but vapid platitudes defending a quasi-religious political ideology of which I have admitted I am entirely ignorant, little girl.

It takes a special kind of stupid to imagine oneself a liberal while championing its very antithesis.

 

[Dajjal]

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

Islam merely has hundreds upon hundreds of millions of them.

Now, I realize you are a fanboy and all, but could you please refer me to any passage in other religions that instructs its followers on beheading people?

So?

If a religion demands that you kill people (and there are plenty of passages in the OT that do that) who cares if it's by decapitation or by stoning or whatever? Dead is dead.

Have you watched any of the ISIS beheading videos, because I watched the Daniel Pearl beheading years ago and the sawed his head off with a knife. This has happened to many people at the hands of ISIS and I am sure it was a terrible way to die. These people are barbarians and we must fight them.

That's why, presumably, countries like Saudi Arabia have clear professional standards for decapitation as their means of carrying out the death penalty. I fail to see how a fast, clean decapitation is any more barbaric than the electric chair, lethal injection or hanging.

Any deliberate killing of another human being is barbaric. Burning people alive is barbaric. Sawing off their heads with a knife is barbaric. Hanging them, and waiting while they dance, jerk and choke until they die, is barbaric. Stoning people is barbaric. The death penalty is barbaric. So why is it we assign just one element of murder to the term "barbaric"?

Like I said the video of Daniel Pearls beheading was barbaric. A Muslim man stood on the side of his head and cut through his throat, then sawed his head off, you could hear him gurgling, and it was sickening. It was anything but a quick and painless beheading. Muslims used the Quran to justify beheadings and there is a verse which says , " strike their necks, and cut off their finger tips also"

 

[Hollie]

...that Islam is fucking terrible?

All religions that reject Christ are "effing" terrible! They're nothing more than glorified cults.

Fascism, just spelled differently: Christianity.

 

[DriftingSand]

...that Islam is fucking terrible?

All religions that reject Christ are "effing" terrible! They're nothing more than glorified cults.

Fascism, just spelled differently: Christianity.

Perhaps the most well known "Fascist" of all time was Mussolini:

Mussolini made vitriolic attacks against Christianity and the Catholic Church, which he accompanied with provocative and blasphemous remarks about the consecrated host, and about a love affair between Christ and Mary Magdalene.[162] He believed that socialists who were Christian or who accepted religious marriage should be expelled from the party. He denounced the Catholic Church for "its authoritarianism and refusal to allow freedom of thought ..." Mussolini's newspaper, La Lotta di Classe, reportedly had an anti-Christian editorial stance.[162]

Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Back to the drawing board for you -- Hollie.

 

[DriftingSand]

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

Islam merely has hundreds upon hundreds of millions of them.

Now, I realize you are a fanboy and all, but could you please refer me to any passage in other religions that instructs its followers on beheading people?

So?

If a religion demands that you kill people (and there are plenty of passages in the OT that do that) who cares if it's by decapitation or by stoning or whatever? Dead is dead.

Have you watched any of the ISIS beheading videos, because I watched the Daniel Pearl beheading years ago and the sawed his head off with a knife. This has happened to many people at the hands of ISIS and I am sure it was a terrible way to die. These people are barbarians and we must fight them.

That's why, presumably, countries like Saudi Arabia have clear professional standards for decapitation as their means of carrying out the death penalty. I fail to see how a fast, clean decapitation is any more barbaric than the electric chair, lethal injection or hanging.

Any deliberate killing of another human being is barbaric. Burning people alive is barbaric. Sawing off their heads with a knife is barbaric. Hanging them, and waiting while they dance, jerk and choke until they die, is barbaric. Stoning people is barbaric. The death penalty is barbaric. So why is it we assign just one element of murder to the term "barbaric"?

It could very well be that the guillotine is less barbaric than rotting away in solitary confinement or some horribly dangerous prison for the rest of ones life. I would personally prefer the death penalty to life in prison with a bunch of violent animals.

 

[Hollie]

...that Islam is fucking terrible?

All religions that reject Christ are "effing" terrible! They're nothing more than glorified cults.

Fascism, just spelled differently: Christianity.

Perhaps the most well known "Fascist" of all time was Mussolini:

Mussolini made vitriolic attacks against Christianity and the Catholic Church, which he accompanied with provocative and blasphemous remarks about the consecrated host, and about a love affair between Christ and Mary Magdalene.[162] He believed that socialists who were Christian or who accepted religious marriage should be expelled from the party. He denounced the Catholic Church for "its authoritarianism and refusal to allow freedom of thought ..." Mussolini's newspaper, La Lotta di Classe, reportedly had an anti-Christian editorial stance.[162]

Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Back to the drawing board for you -- Hollie.

You and Benito share much in common. You've just added a holy mandate to your fascistic ideas.

 

[DriftingSand]

...that Islam is fucking terrible?

All religions that reject Christ are "effing" terrible! They're nothing more than glorified cults.

Fascism, just spelled differently: Christianity.

Perhaps the most well known "Fascist" of all time was Mussolini:

Mussolini made vitriolic attacks against Christianity and the Catholic Church, which he accompanied with provocative and blasphemous remarks about the consecrated host, and about a love affair between Christ and Mary Magdalene.[162] He believed that socialists who were Christian or who accepted religious marriage should be expelled from the party. He denounced the Catholic Church for "its authoritarianism and refusal to allow freedom of thought ..." Mussolini's newspaper, La Lotta di Classe, reportedly had an anti-Christian editorial stance.[162]

Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Back to the drawing board for you -- Hollie.

You and Benito share much in common. You've just added a holy mandate to your fascistic ideas.

Poor Hollie. Wrong again! Fascism dictates what you MUST do. Christianity suggests what you SHOULD do.

 

[Hollie]

...that Islam is fucking terrible?

All religions that reject Christ are "effing" terrible! They're nothing more than glorified cults.

Fascism, just spelled differently: Christianity.

Perhaps the most well known "Fascist" of all time was Mussolini:

Mussolini made vitriolic attacks against Christianity and the Catholic Church, which he accompanied with provocative and blasphemous remarks about the consecrated host, and about a love affair between Christ and Mary Magdalene.[162] He believed that socialists who were Christian or who accepted religious marriage should be expelled from the party. He denounced the Catholic Church for "its authoritarianism and refusal to allow freedom of thought ..." Mussolini's newspaper, La Lotta di Classe, reportedly had an anti-Christian editorial stance.[162]

Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Back to the drawing board for you -- Hollie.

You and Benito share much in common. You've just added a holy mandate to your fascistic ideas.

Poor Hollie. Wrong again! Fascism dictates what you MUST do. Christianity suggests what you SHOULD do.

Sidestepping your fascistic ideals?

Back to sunday school for you. Your time spent at the Pat Robertson madrassah has done damage.

 

[Hollie]

No. Extremists of any stripe are terrible though. That much I'll grant you.

Islam merely has hundreds upon hundreds of millions of them.

Now, I realize you are a fanboy and all, but could you please refer me to any passage in other religions that instructs its followers on beheading people?

I'm not a "fanboi" of any religion. I have worked with many Muslims over the years who I would trust with my life, while I would not with loads of Christians, atheists etc.
I have never bothered to research any of the various religions, but I will grant you that a quick skim through the Bible would reveal all sorts of violent examples that would please you. Especially the Old Testament.

That's not the point though.

Religions are made up of people. PEOPLE warp the religion to suit their individual goals and desires. PEOPLE are fucked up.

Your last sentance sums it up. Truth.

Dangerously naive.

Many of the most terrible purveyors of death were religious cultures. Their religious perspectives were inclusive of their behavior, be it for power or destruction or material gains, that people are an integration of their politics and their religions and their traditions and their desires, etc. No one can simply dismiss any and all religious connotation to acts of depravity, I incorporate them (and do so fairly). These cultures had religion and it didn’t stop them from their conquests, and indeed it motivated some of them.

For example, ISIS has made clear and specific references to their religious perspectives to justify taking sex slaves. They're warping nothing. They're pious moslems who know their koranology and the history of the Arab warlord who invented islamic ideology.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I don't think YOU should be calling anyone an idiot.

I am not the one indulging in nothing but vapid platitudes defending a quasi-religious political ideology of which I have admitted I am entirely ignorant, little girl.

It takes a special kind of stupid to imagine oneself a liberal while championing its very antithesis.

Would you care to point out who and where someone defended a quasi-religious political ideology? I'm waiting.