When FDR "Married" the US and the USSR

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While taking cover behind populist reforms, Franklin Roosevelt persuaded America to overlook his allying this great nation with the most heinous of regimes, the USSR. In effect, he instructed Americans to overlook genocide, oppression, and lawlessness. Today his handiwork is what is called "moral equivalence," the view that could be phrased as 'who are we to judge others.'




1. Study the direction of America up to the FDR regime, and one can compare the American Revolution, memorialized in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Judeo-Christian religious view, with the French Revolution, based on casting out religion to be replaced with 'reason.'

a. “How did Robespierre actually interpret these principles? He said: “[W]e must exterminate all our enemies with the law in our hands”; “the Declaration of Rights offers no safeguard to conspirators”; “the suspicions of enlightened patriotism might offer a better guide than formal rules of evidence.”
Why Robespierre Chose Terror by John Kekes, City Journal Spring 2006

b. Notice the echo in the actions of the early Progressives who suggested that the US Constitution may be shed, ‘like a garment.’ Somehow, the Left sees their views as superior those of the Founders.http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docl...hvsthefrenchenlightmentgertrudehimmelfarb.pdf

c. But which revolution turned their nation into an abattoir with over 600,000 slaughtered?
And laid the groundwork for Mao, Lenin, Hitler. "Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror

An educated man, shouldn't Roosevelt have realized which revolutionary view he was endorsing?






2. So, along came President Roosevelt, with the typical progressive blind eye to human slaughter. He ignored the 3-5 million starved to death by the regime of the USSR, and rushed to embrace it, November of 1933.

3. And another "tsk, tsk," by Roosevelt: the Katyn Forest Massacre. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

4. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused.
In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.





5. And the FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to....no questions asked.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (???????? 1) ? English ? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ??????







6. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



But....isn't it possible that FDR had no choice....after all, wasn't the Soviet Union essential to the war effort?
And, if so.....didn't FDR have to accept Stalin's murder of the Polish intellectual elite???



But what if the essential nature of the USSR is a myth, based on disinformation by Stalin's agents in the Roosevelt administration?? What if knowledgeable experts...like George Kennan, said that the USSR was not an essential part of the war effort?






7. But, in addition to Stalin's agents, weren't there good Americans in the government? Sure were. FDR got rid of the good ones.

"Not only did FDR overlook the external evidence; FDR ignored the counsel of key experts at the State Department, which, at the time, was home...to an educated and experienced cadre of anti-Communists....who would be neutralized and purged....n 1937...the Russian research library at the State Department was broken up, the files on Communists, foreign and domestic, ordered destroyed. The second, in 1943. Both purges of experts who said we would do just fine without Russia took place under Soviet pressure and even direction as when in March 1943 Foreign Minister Litvinov, incredibly, handed over a list of American diplomats the Soviets wanted fired....a "guilt offering to Stalin from Roosevelt"...
West, "American Betrayal," p.193.

a. The reason for the purges? Some advisers had had the gall to suggest not only that the democracies could survive a Nazi conquest of the USSR...but that, in such an event, the United States should not recognize a soviet government in exile. George Kennan echoed those feelings.
Weil, "A Pretty Good Club," p. 106.





Instead, FDR made the United States collaborators in the Katyn Forest Massacre, just as he turned a blind eye to the millions starved to death by his soul-mate, Joe Stalin.

What, and why, Roosevelt's enchantment with the Soviet Union?
 
The marriage ended with a child named Fred C. Koch:

In 1927, Koch developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline which allowed smaller players in the industry to better compete with the oil majors. The larger oil companies quickly sued in response, filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years. Koch was to prevail in all but one of the suits (which was later over-turned due to the fact that the judge had been bribed).[11]

This extended litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. The company also built installations in countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia.[1] In the early 1930s, Winkler-Koch hosted Soviet technicians for training.
 
At the time, the alliance with Russia was necessary. Whether or not we had a formal alliance with Russia, the Russians had no choice but to fight the Nazis. It was better to coordinate the effort and work together rather than not know what the Russians were doing.
 
Did the Russians care about the US of A's genocide of Natives Americans? The apparent bias and racial discrimination of minorities in our nation? Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US? No. Countries kept to themselves on this issue.
 
The marriage ended with a child named Fred C. Koch:

In 1927, Koch developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline which allowed smaller players in the industry to better compete with the oil majors. The larger oil companies quickly sued in response, filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years. Koch was to prevail in all but one of the suits (which was later over-turned due to the fact that the judge had been bribed).[11]

This extended litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. The company also built installations in countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia.[1] In the early 1930s, Winkler-Koch hosted Soviet technicians for training.






Well, then....the two renewed their vows under ObamaCare....


1. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine. For context, there was Henry Sigerist: "He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine."
Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).


b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life."
Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252




ObamaCare....just the latest iteration of medical totalitarianism.
 
The marriage ended with a child named Fred C. Koch:

In 1927, Koch developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline which allowed smaller players in the industry to better compete with the oil majors. The larger oil companies quickly sued in response, filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years. Koch was to prevail in all but one of the suits (which was later over-turned due to the fact that the judge had been bribed).[11]

This extended litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. The company also built installations in countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia.[1] In the early 1930s, Winkler-Koch hosted Soviet technicians for training.






Well, then....the two renewed their vows under ObamaCare....


1. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine. For context, there was Henry Sigerist: "He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine."
Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).


b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life."
Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252




ObamaCare....just the latest iteration of medical totalitarianism.

Do try to be honest, you know as well as I that Mitt Romney was the first to put into place mandatory medicine.
Is Soviet collusion also a part of mandatory auto insurance also? Mandatory home insurance or mandatory life insurance on personal loans?
 
At the time, the alliance with Russia was necessary. Whether or not we had a formal alliance with Russia, the Russians had no choice but to fight the Nazis. It was better to coordinate the effort and work together rather than not know what the Russians were doing.


1. "At the time, the alliance with Russia was necessary."

As shown in the OP, experts at the time said this was not the case.


2. And, if you attempt to make that argument......

... For whatever reason, FDR wasted no time in welcoming the sociopath of the community of nations, with open arms. He assumed office in March of 1933, and on November 16th, 1933, signed a worthless agreement with Litvinov, recognizing the USSR.
Four previous Presidents and six Secretaries of State had refused to do same. What did they know that FDR didn't know.....or did he.



And, in November of 1933...no war with Hitler on the horizon.

3. Bear in mind, eight months earlier, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine:
"In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Jones_(journalist)


a. Malcolm Muggeridge " was the first writer to reveal the true nature of Stalin s regime when in 1933 he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine. " [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Time-Eternity-Uncollected-Writings-Muggeridge/dp/1570759057]Time and Eternity: The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge: Malcolm Muggeridge, Nicholas Flynn: 9781570759055: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]





What did FDR know...and when did he know it?

And why didn't he care?
 
FDR's dealings with russia against the nazi's only replaced the nazi's with the russians. We handed him eastern europe. We allowed the iron curtain and the cold war era to begin
 
Did the Russians care about the US of A's genocide of Natives Americans? The apparent bias and racial discrimination of minorities in our nation? Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US? No. Countries kept to themselves on this issue.



Only the uninformed or a Liberal believes that.

Or...am I being redundant?


Don't you have a library card???



There was no US of A's genocide of Natives Americans


1. The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease. There is the romanticized view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims. Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”


2. Guenter Lewy (born 1923, Germany) is an author and historian[citation needed], and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".


3. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20th Century, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census. Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.
Collectively these data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500. Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900. Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library




If they keep folks uninformed, and stupid, they keep 'em Liberal.




"Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US?"

You realize you are referring to Democrats don't you?

Did you know FDR was a Democrat?

BTW.....Hugo Black was FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, in 1937.
This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU



Know who the Kulaks were?
Seems the communists had much in common with the Democrats, even then.
 
Did the Russians care about the US of A's genocide of Natives Americans? The apparent bias and racial discrimination of minorities in our nation? Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US? No. Countries kept to themselves on this issue.

PC obviously has her own revisionist history.
 
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The marriage ended with a child named Fred C. Koch:

In 1927, Koch developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline which allowed smaller players in the industry to better compete with the oil majors. The larger oil companies quickly sued in response, filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years. Koch was to prevail in all but one of the suits (which was later over-turned due to the fact that the judge had been bribed).[11]

This extended litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. The company also built installations in countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia.[1] In the early 1930s, Winkler-Koch hosted Soviet technicians for training.






Well, then....the two renewed their vows under ObamaCare....


1. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine. For context, there was Henry Sigerist: "He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine."
Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).


b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life."
Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252




ObamaCare....just the latest iteration of medical totalitarianism.

Do try to be honest, you know as well as I that Mitt Romney was the first to put into place mandatory medicine.
Is Soviet collusion also a part of mandatory auto insurance also? Mandatory home insurance or mandatory life insurance on personal loans?



I'm always both honest, and informed.
You....not so much.

For example....how honest is it to conflate the four types of insurance you mention. Not honest at all.



The Soviets were the first to demand it of an entire nation.
As is the case of ObamaCare.


If you claim that RomneyCare was the same as ObamaCare......

.....explain why one is 70 pages.....the other 2700 pages.
 
FDR's dealings with russia against the nazi's only replaced the nazi's with the russians. We handed him eastern europe. We allowed the iron curtain and the cold war era to begin





And this:
FDR is the proximate cause of the Korean War, and of China becoming Communist.

1. And the result, a disaster for America. On April 5, 1951, Judge Irving R. Kaufman sentenced the Rosenbergs to death for theft of atomic secrets, and, resulted in "the communist aggression in Korea, with the resultant casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason." Judge Kaufman's Sentencing Statement in the Rosenberg Case


a. It is clear today, based on archival evidence, unearthed by researchers in Russia and released in the United States, that Kaufman was correct. "Absent an atomic bomb, Stalin would not have released Pyongyang's army to conquer the entire Korean peninsula. Confident that his possession of atomic weapons neutralized America's strategic advantage, Stalin was emboldened to unleash war in Korea in 1950."
Haynes, Klehr, and Vassiliev, "Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America," p. 143, 545.
And Romerstein and Breindel,"The Venona Secrets," p. xv, 253.


b. It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.' Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
 
PC's solution is simple: the USA should have allied with Germany. OK.



I’m about ready to tear someone who is one, a new one.

So very simple for a simpleton to put out lies such that I never suggested, rather than take on the facts that I've posted.


Come out and fight and watch me tear you apart.
 
Did the Russians care about the US of A's genocide of Natives Americans? The apparent bias and racial discrimination of minorities in our nation? Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US? No. Countries kept to themselves on this issue.

PC obviously has her own revisionist history.



I post facts with links.


And you.....

...with very little effort, have become our new source of Greenhouse Gases.
 
FDR's dealings with russia against the nazi's only replaced the nazi's with the russians. We handed him eastern europe. We allowed the iron curtain and the cold war era to begin

Exactly. We allowed it because that was the only way of defeating the nazis, so we let the Iron curtian go up and by agreement, Berlin be divided.
 
Did the Russians care about the US of A's genocide of Natives Americans? The apparent bias and racial discrimination of minorities in our nation? Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US? No. Countries kept to themselves on this issue.

PC obviously has her own revisionist history.

People that have a sense of hate do.
 
FDR's dealings with russia against the nazi's only replaced the nazi's with the russians. We handed him eastern europe. We allowed the iron curtain and the cold war era to begin

Exactly. We allowed it because that was the only way of defeating the nazis, so we let the Iron curtian go up and by agreement, Berlin be divided.





"...that was the only way of defeating the nazis..."

No it wasn't.

But it was the advice Stalin's spies gave Roosevelt.



1. How ironic, on February 10, 1940, Franklin Roosevelt actually gave a speech in which he said "The Soviet Union is run by a dictatorship as absolute as any other dictatorship in the world."
Three months later Harry Hopkins moved into the White House.




Have you read about Harry Hopkins?

Let me help:


2. . Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943.
LIFE - Google Books, p. 93.


3. Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins



President Roosevelt was oblivious to the danger of Soviet subversion. In
1939, Adolf A. Berle, Roosevelt’s assistant secretary of state and adviser on
internal security, presented the President with a list of leading Soviet agents in
the United States, including Alger Hiss and Harry Dexter White, after
receiving this information from ex-Communist spy Whittaker Chambers.
Roosevelt simply laughed this off as ridiculous.
Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel, The Venona Secrets: Exposing Soviet Espionage and
America’s Traitors (Washington: Regnery Publishing, 2000), pp. 124–25.
 
Did the Russians care about the US of A's genocide of Natives Americans? The apparent bias and racial discrimination of minorities in our nation? Did the Soviets fear the US from our well renown abilities to lynch, burn, beat and murder minorities in the US? No. Countries kept to themselves on this issue.

PC obviously has her own revisionist history.

People that have a sense of hate do.





This is the best you can do?



What better proof that I am correct in every item I've posted.
 
I would imagine the Russians could sing a different tune about FDR, how FDR used the Russian people to kill Germans and hold off Hitler while the Americans and British made a pretend second front in Africa.
Let's face it, FDR used Russia, we were the coat-holders, while Germany and Russia slugged it out. How many Americans did not die because FDR was letting the Russians die? We sent Russia some of the tools to kill Germans and our factories grew.
 

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