When Deliberations Become Dithering

Annie

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Wow, callout #2 of the day and a stronger one. First was WaPo, now LA Times:

Obama must rethink rethinking Afghanistan -- latimes.com

Obama must rethink rethinking Afghanistan

His strategy deliberations are starting to look like dangerous indecision.

Doyle McManus

November 15, 2009


Barack Obama is in danger of giving deliberation a bad name.

The decision about whether to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan was never going to be easy, but events -- and a collision of egos in Kabul -- have conspired to make it even harder.

Obama was right to insist on a full review of whether U.S. interests are better served by expanding the American military footprint in Afghanistan or shrinking it.

But now, two months into his second "comprehensive policy review," after eight Cabinet-level meetings and several slipped target dates, the president still hasn't made up his mind.

In George W. Bush, we had a president who shot first and asked questions later. In Barack Obama, we have a president who asks the right questions but hesitates to pull the trigger.

Three weeks ago, former Vice President Dick Cheney accused Obama of "dithering." At the time, the charge sounded premature and partisan -- but now some of Obama's own supporters have begun to wonder whether Cheney was right....

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...Those are hard questions to answer -- harder still when a policy debate lasts for months and becomes public. These aren't just style points; the battle in Washington is causing real problems for U.S. foreign policy, beginning with mixed messages to both allies and adversaries.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates described the dilemma succinctly last week: "How do we signal resolve -- and at the same time signal to the Afghans and the American people that this isn't an open-ended commitment?"

The long debate has made Obama look indecisive and uncertain -- because he has been. And the leaks of conflicting positions have given his critics ammunition for the postmortem debate over any decision he makes. If Obama chooses to go small, hawks will accuse him of ignoring the advice of his own military commander, Army Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, who asked for 40,000 additional troops. If he goes big, doves will accuse him of ignoring the advice of Ambassador Eikenberry, who said the additional troops wouldn't do much good.

When he ran for president, "no drama Obama" prided himself on a campaign organization that never aired internal disputes and always closed ranks in common cause. Not in this process, which has turned into a very un-Obamalike battle of leaks and counterleaks. This much transparency, alas, creates a problem: Washingtonians love to keep track of winners and losers. A well-managed process gives losers a chance to lick their wounds in private, without suffering public damage to their reputations. This one is more likely to end in public recriminations.

The debate has frayed relationships between the military officers who proposed the Afghan escalation and the civilian politicians (Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel) who run the White House. White House officials were irritated when McChrystal's strategy proposal leaked in October, seeing it as an attempt by the military to box Obama in....
 
Sorry this has nothing to do with the situation in Afghanistan and everything to do with the declining poll performance of the Democrats and that lack of enthusiasm for their candidate expressed even among their core support.

Obama almost certainly believes that if he sends more troops, really the only rational decision at this point, that his support among the far left loons that make up his base will fall to nothing and without their enthusiatic support he hasn't got a prayer of holding both houses of congress.
 
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Interesting talk today on CNN. A round table discussion on Obama's Asian tour. Several noted China experts were pointing out Obama is viewed as weak by China and the US is considered in decline. Way to represent Mr. President.

Hurry home and cuddle terrorists, while you mull over Afghanistan policy for a couple of weeks more.
 
yea yea, where were you blowhards when Bush had Afganistan on thew back burner for 7 freaken years
 
Back burner?? Why do you want to whine about Bush? Is Bush still president?

How about during the campaign Obama talked tough about AFG. He even wanted to invade Pakistan. Obama had it all figured out in march, and set the "new" strategy. Now all of a sudden Obama has no clue what to do. He goes campaigning instead of deciding on the request from his hand-picked general. I can see Obama doing what all dems do, make military decisions with "political correctness".

I agree, c'mon 2010 and 2012.
 
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Barry Obolshevik has a delicate balancing act here.

On one hand he has his General Staff, the troops in country and their families. On the other he has the Code Pink moonbat freaks, who are a large part if the base that elected him.

Yup...That's a toughie. :rolleyes:
 
Barry Obolshevik has a delicate balancing act here.

On one hand he has his General Staff, the troops in country and their families. On the other he has the Code Pink moonbat freaks, who are a large part if the base that elected him.

Yup...That's a toughie. :rolleyes:

Cindy Sheehan.
 
Interesting talk today on CNN. A round table discussion on Obama's Asian tour. Several noted China experts were pointing out Obama is viewed as weak by China and the US is considered in decline. Way to represent Mr. President.

Hurry home and cuddle terrorists, while you mull over Afghanistan policy for a couple of weeks more.

Someone said "Weakness is a provocation, an invitiation to our foes to confront us" I heard that Donald Rumsfeld said that but it can't be proven. But in the same 'vein' but with more certain attribution:
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid" - Gen Eisenhower.

"We are men of action, lies do not become us."

Our enemies know that the only Americans who can or need be beaten do not wear uniforms. A society that does not have the will to let its warriors die fighting will not long survive. A civilization that values its very being less than the dignity of its sworn enemies should be morally prepared to fail.- Sgt Goldich, USMC
 
yea yea, where were you blowhards when Bush had Afganistan on thew back burner for 7 freaken years
Not on this forum, for starters.
Bush was hardly dithering - he went too far too fast when he invaded Iraq, but he did not dither.
That is the issue - dithering.
Obama dithers.
 
Bush dithered. He did not put enough troops into Iraq to do what he was trying to do.
Of course when you expect to be greeted as saviours with open arms and those open arms turn out to be AK47's....
 
charles, please, Bush put afganistan on the back burner almost immediately so he could pursue his fiasco in Iraq, those are the facts , deal with it
 
Bush dithered. He did not put enough troops into Iraq to do what he was trying to do.
Of course when you expect to be greeted as saviours with open arms and those open arms turn out to be AK47's....
Boooooooosh makes it all OK, then. It's amazing how Obama is so dependent on GWB for justification of what BHO does and doesn't do. One would think the liberals would hate that fact.
 
Oh come on Si for 8 freaken years of Bush all we heard if Clinton had only done this or that, sorry what goes round comes around , deal with it
 
Bush dithered. He did not put enough troops into Iraq to do what he was trying to do.
Of course when you expect to be greeted as saviours with open arms and those open arms turn out to be AK47's....
Boooooooosh makes it all OK, then. It's amazing how Obama is so dependent on GWB for justification of what BHO does and doesn't do. One would think the liberals would hate that fact.

I was just responding to the statement that Bush did not dither.

I wanted all troops out of Iraq long ago. I was against the invasion before it happened.

Afganistan should have been large fast and no more than 6 month in duration.
 
charles, please, Bush put afganistan on the back burner almost immediately so he could pursue his fiasco in Iraq, those are the facts , deal with it

FYI: Bush is no longer POTUS. Obama is POTUS. Whining about Bush does not represent a valid argument for the current asshole sitting on his hands while our troops die. Simple concept - play the hand you're dealt and don't bitch that the last one.
 
yea yea, that's why you idiots blamed Clinton the whole 8 years Bush was in office, right Cali, LOL can you say pot meet kettle, I knew you could
 
yea yea, that's why you idiots blamed Clinton the whole 8 years Bush was in office, right Cali, LOL can you say pot meet kettle, I knew you could

This would be fine, if I had ever said that. But I didn't, so that's a .....

Fail.

Thank you for playing.
 
Yep. Ol'BO is now the president. As much as he and the liberals would like to blame Bush don't think they can on this one. He has the reins and can't seem to make a decision even as our young men are dying in Afg. They are fighting his good, right war.

Gotta agee with some on this board. Pure politics. If he sends more troops he totally alienates the left wing loons in his party. God knows how important those loons are. Obviously more important than supporting his troops in Afg. What a guy!!!
 
yea yea, that's why you idiots blamed Clinton the whole 8 years Bush was in office, right Cali, LOL can you say pot meet kettle, I knew you could
Funny thing about Bush, Clinton, and Obama that relates more to the Economy than the war.
When Bush Sr. was running against Clinton, the press played down an economic recovery for months until after Clinton was elected. As soon as Clinton got elected, they played up the economy.
When Gore lost the election and then made his courtroom challenge, the economy dropped. Essentially the democrats again made the press do their dirty work by destroying the economy with press manipulations before Bush took office. Then they blamed Bush for Deficits.
During the last election your idol "Barry" had lost until the news got "loose" about the Mortgage crisis just before the election. That data gave Obama the election, but also ripped the economy apart. A good case could be made that Hillary Clinton knew of the fiasco far in advance, that she might have negated the problem if she had so chosen, but instead kept is as a method to get elected if she had the Democratic nomination. Do you think she's Secretary of State because Obama likes her? No, it's because he owes her for giving him the election when she might have concealed the news for anther six months.

Did Bill Clinton hide data which could have prevented 911? I suspect he did, because he expected a hostage crisis on multiple planes, not crashes to destroy buildings.

Finally - Bush sent what his military advisers told him was needed to Iraq. Rummy was a fool, but Bush Jr. was not indecisive.
Not that I expect a mind numbingly stupid Democratic drone like you to understand the distinction.
 

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