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You do understand that money(cash) is a tool and value is something the beholder assigns. Of course, with the advent of merchants, the beholder is told not to ask for less than what is considered acceptable by the merchant!!
Also, even if BASIC NEED are met, the desire for more(want) will spur forward and entice people to overthrow such a system. Alas, it is also WANT that will encourage people to work at slave wages as we see in even the most ruthless of communists regimes. It is WANT that puts the prostitute on the streets of Scandanavian countries and cause riots to form in the capitals during economic down times. Want is the driver of crimes during economic Booms, during times when needs are met.
Want is the downfall of any Utopia. The fatal Human flaws of lust and greed. Until man can be successfully re-programmed to ignore his desires, the dreams of Idealists and their allies will never become a permanent situation. Their world like the temporal existance of a Moth. A winged creature that burns in its blinding ignorance of mankind!
Let's say my dream passion is to create TVs. I run a company that creates them. I give them away to anyone who wants them.
Any conceivable product you can think of in our current society, from mansions to leather seating to 50" screen 3-D TV's, to anything - is met. Of course, there is government oversight - making sure the products we buy are safe.
You do understand that money(cash) is a tool and value is something the beholder assigns. Of course, with the advent of merchants, the beholder is told not to ask for less than what is considered acceptable by the merchant!!
Also, even if BASIC NEED are met, the desire for more(want) will spur forward and entice people to overthrow such a system. Alas, it is also WANT that will encourage people to work at slave wages as we see in even the most ruthless of communists regimes. It is WANT that puts the prostitute on the streets of Scandanavian countries and cause riots to form in the capitals during economic down times. Want is the driver of crimes during economic Booms, during times when needs are met.
Want is the downfall of any Utopia. The fatal Human flaws of lust and greed. Until man can be successfully re-programmed to ignore his desires, the dreams of Idealists and their allies will never become a permanent situation. Their world like the temporal existance of a Moth. A winged creature that burns in its blinding ignorance of mankind!
Let's say my dream passion is to create TVs. I run a company that creates them. I give them away to anyone who wants them.
Any conceivable product you can think of in our current society, from mansions to leather seating to 50" screen 3-D TV's, to anything - is met. Of course, there is government oversight - making sure the products we buy are safe.
A completely cashless/valueless society. No money, no wealth... people work as they need to in order to fulfill their needs. You're free to pursue whatever line of work you wish to - as all of your basic needs will be met to allow you to achieve a higher level of existence. Where you work because you want to, not because you have to. So what's wrong with this philosophy?
Our political theory stresses egalitarianism and the abolition of social hierarchy and class distinctions that arise from unequal wealth distribution, the abolition of capitalism and money, and the collective production and distribution of wealth by means of voluntary associations.
In our political theory, the state and property no longer exist. Each individual and group is free to contribute to production and to satisfy their needs based on their own choice. Systems of production and distribution are managed by their participants.
The abolition of wage labor is central to our political theory. With distribution of wealth being based on self-determined needs, people will be free to engage in whatever activities they find most fulfilling and will no longer have to engage in work for which they have neither the temperament nor the aptitude. We argue that there is no valid way of measuring the value of any one person's economic contributions because all wealth is a collective product of current and preceding generations.
We argue that any economic system based on wage labor and private property will require a coercive state apparatus to enforce property rights and to maintain the unequal economic relationships that will inevitably arise.
We reject the claim that wage labor is necessary because people are by "nature" lazy and selfish. They point out that even the so-called "idle rich" sometimes find useful things to do despite having all their needs satisfied by the labor of others.
We support our theory as a means for ensuring the greatest freedom and well-being for everyone, rather than only the wealthy and powerful. In this sense, our political theory is a profoundly egalitarian philosophy. We do not think that anyone has the right to be anyone else's boss.
Anarchist communism...
Shouldn't this thread be in the humor section?
It is exactly anarchist communism... which I used to think was an oxymoron.
Anarchist communism...
Shouldn't this thread be in the humor section?
It is exactly anarchist communism... which I used to think was an oxymoron.
Won't work, many jobs won't be done unless people get paid for them, and the money is transmuted into things they want or like.
Many jobs won't be relevant in a cashless society. And many new types of jobs will become relevant. People can't just sit around and do nothing while all of their needs such as food and shelter are being met.
the problem is everyone dosen't work.. have you looked around??? hello?Whoa, there David... are you turning into some sort of Anarchist??
I was trying not to use keywords that would automatically make people think that this is a terrible idea and not even read it.
I'm also not saying I believe in this, but I'd like to know what other people believe what's wrong with a society where everyone works for the common good of each other?
Example: I'm a farmer - I love to farm. I create fruits and vegetables for all to eat, including myself. Why do I need money for this if all of my basic needs are being met?
Whoa, there David... are you turning into some sort of Anarchist??
I was trying not to use keywords that would automatically make people think that this is a terrible idea and not even read it.
I'm also not saying I believe in this, but I'd like to know what other people believe what's wrong with a society where everyone works for the common good of each other?
Example: I'm a farmer - I love to farm. I create fruits and vegetables for all to eat, including myself. Why do I need money for this if all of my basic needs are being met?
Won't work, many jobs won't be done unless people get paid for them, and the money is transmuted into things they want or like.
Many jobs won't be relevant in a cashless society. And many new types of jobs will become relevant. People can't just sit around and do nothing while all of their needs such as food and shelter are being met.
Many jobs won't be relevant in a cashless society. And many new types of jobs will become relevant. People can't just sit around and do nothing while all of their needs such as food and shelter are being met.
Why not? They do it now. It's called welfare.
I don't think you understand. Welfare is money. This is no money. Not one person has money. Need a car? A basic car is free. Need a home? A house is free. Need doctors? They're free. Medicine? Free. Everything is free. People work to better themselves as human beings, not to earn money.
A completely cashless/valueless society. No money, no wealth... people work as they need to in order to fulfill their needs. You're free to pursue whatever line of work you wish to - as all of your basic needs will be met to allow you to achieve a higher level of existence. Where you work because you want to, not because you have to. So what's wrong with this philosophy?
Won't work, many jobs won't be done unless people get paid for them, and the money is transmuted into things they want or like.
Many jobs won't be relevant in a cashless society. And many new types of jobs will become relevant. People can't just sit around and do nothing while all of their needs such as food and shelter are being met.
Why not? They do it now. It's called welfare.
A completely cashless/valueless society. No money, no wealth... people work as they need to in order to fulfill their needs. You're free to pursue whatever line of work you wish to - as all of your basic needs will be met to allow you to achieve a higher level of existence. Where you work because you want to, not because you have to. So what's wrong with this philosophy?
Our political theory stresses egalitarianism and the abolition of social hierarchy and class distinctions that arise from unequal wealth distribution, the abolition of capitalism and money, and the collective production and distribution of wealth by means of voluntary associations.
In our political theory, the state and property no longer exist. Each individual and group is free to contribute to production and to satisfy their needs based on their own choice. Systems of production and distribution are managed by their participants.
The abolition of wage labor is central to our political theory. With distribution of wealth being based on self-determined needs, people will be free to engage in whatever activities they find most fulfilling and will no longer have to engage in work for which they have neither the temperament nor the aptitude. We argue that there is no valid way of measuring the value of any one person's economic contributions because all wealth is a collective product of current and preceding generations.
We argue that any economic system based on wage labor and private property will require a coercive state apparatus to enforce property rights and to maintain the unequal economic relationships that will inevitably arise.
We reject the claim that wage labor is necessary because people are by "nature" lazy and selfish. They point out that even the so-called "idle rich" sometimes find useful things to do despite having all their needs satisfied by the labor of others.
We support our theory as a means for ensuring the greatest freedom and well-being for everyone, rather than only the wealthy and powerful. In this sense, our political theory is a profoundly egalitarian philosophy. We do not think that anyone has the right to be anyone else's boss.
Ahh Utopia... she's simply beautiful in the spring...
What's wrong with it, is it rejects human nature... but if you're planning on implementing this, on those who are NOT humans, I'd say go for it.
Otherwise, if you're limited to human beings, it's a non-starter.
Human's aren't auotomotons... people need pressure, they need impetus, a reason for being; a reason for doing and where such is not present, people tend to languish.
Now what you've described... "You're free to pursue whatever line of work you wish to - as all of your basic needs will be met to allow you to achieve a higher level of existence." is prison... anyone interested in 15-20 to explore your awakening? All your basic needs are met; food, shelter, clothing... thus freeing you to pursue whatever work you like, as long as your desires aren't beyond the scope of that system which provides for those basic needs...
See the problem? My basic needs extend well beyond what prison provides in terms of everything from food UP and that HOUSING? Forgedaboudit!
It's an untenable notion which would never have my compliance and without compliance it's dead... thus we begin to see how such a system must induce compliance and it's at THAT point where we begin to see the whole "PRISON" thing begin to take shape.
Many jobs won't be relevant in a cashless society. And many new types of jobs will become relevant. People can't just sit around and do nothing while all of their needs such as food and shelter are being met.
Why not? They do it now. It's called welfare.
Or TRUSTFUNDERS.
