What's Happening to Our Constitution?

[BrianH]

Bill of Attainder?

If congress passes a Law (Bill) to, by taxation, confiscate from AIG or its employees that money paid out in bonuses, wouldn’t that amount to a “Bill of Attainder”, and/or Ex Post Facto Legislation? And that’s in addition to nullifying a pre-existing contractual agreement between willing parties. It certainly seems all of these things would be in violation of the Constitution, but it won’t be the first time for that.

All this has no higher purpose than to distract us from what else they (congress) and this Administration are doing, because they are fearful of a huge public outcry on April 15th. That is a day we all know well and no one need more prompting for a better date for a huge public outcry about what’s been going on lately.

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Constitution? What's that? I thought we went off that standard years ago.

Our Constitution is being shredded before our eyes. It makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[DavidS]

I'd like to piggy-back a question sort of related to the Constitutuon.

President Obama took the Bar in Illinois, and on line two "Have you ever been know by any other name" wrote "None."

Since he was know as Barry Soetoro,

"When Barack and his mother lived in Indonesia, with Oil exec Lolo, he went by the name Barry Soetoro.."

BARACK OBAMA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS BARRY SOETORO « Chicagoans Against Obama

... is this considered a minor infraction, or is it a serious lack of disclosure? Any Lawyers, please.

You connies just won't drop it, will you? He's the fucking POTUS. You don't like it - go move to Canada or Mexico. I'm sick and tired of seeing this bullshit.

Then don't look David.. Don't look,, easy smeasy!

It's hard to miss bird shit when it's falling all over your head.

 

[DavidS]

I'd like to piggy-back a question sort of related to the Constitutuon.

President Obama took the Bar in Illinois, and on line two "Have you ever been know by any other name" wrote "None."

Since he was know as Barry Soetoro,

"When Barack and his mother lived in Indonesia, with Oil exec Lolo, he went by the name Barry Soetoro.."

BARACK OBAMA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS BARRY SOETORO « Chicagoans Against Obama

... is this considered a minor infraction, or is it a serious lack of disclosure? Any Lawyers, please.

You connies just won't drop it, will you? He's the fucking POTUS. You don't like it - go move to Canada or Mexico. I'm sick and tired of seeing this bullshit.

I actually asked the question for informational purposes, but it is stunningly indicative of the frailty of your champion that you cannot abide some presumed criticism.

Again, the question was for someone with expertise in the area, and that clearly eliminates you.

But, should I need information about coprophagy, you can be sure I'll look you up in my Rolodex.

You guys are fucking traitors to the country. Not even in office 60 days and you won't stop. The liberals waited 3 years to start heckling Dubyah and that was AFTER he invaded a sovreign country. Sorry, you can have philosophical differences with the president, but the way you right-wingers treat him... if you're not fucking 100% behind the president of the united states, you need to leave this country. There's differences of opinion and then there's outright obsurdness. I read this shit day in and day out on the right wing forums... socialist this, marxist that. You people need to grow the fuck up. And yes, I said the exact same thing to the anti-war crowd in 2003.

 

[DavidS]

Bill of Attainder?

If congress passes a Law (Bill) to, by taxation, confiscate from AIG or its employees that money paid out in bonuses, wouldn’t that amount to a “Bill of Attainder”, and/or Ex Post Facto Legislation? And that’s in addition to nullifying a pre-existing contractual agreement between willing parties. It certainly seems all of these things would be in violation of the Constitution, but it won’t be the first time for that.

All this has no higher purpose than to distract us from what else they (congress) and this Administration are doing, because they are fearful of a huge public outcry on April 15th. That is a day we all know well and no one need more prompting for a better date for a huge public outcry about what’s been going on lately.

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It's time to grab the sides of the boat and start rocking it....

Nationwide Tax Day Tea Party :: April 15th, 2009

Revolution is brewing.

You know what's hilarious about this. Not one person who makes over $250,000 will be there and everyone else who's there will have their taxes cut. You people are fucking ridiculous. I hope they tear gas every single one of you scum sucking traitors.

 

[Gunny]

People are justly angry that the peope who created this fiasco are being rewarded with their money. And there may be nothing at all under the law that we can do about it. However, it does make a very good case for higher taxes on the wealthy.

It makes no such case at all.

 

[Gunny]

It will have been shredded. Can you say Marxism? Yep! I bet you can.

It has already been shredded. Can you say PNAC, Bush, and Fascism?

Fascism, Democratic party -- what's the difference? Can you say line-item veto? Unfair taxation? Socialist-leaning policies?

 

[Gunny]

Bill of Attainder?

If congress passes a Law (Bill) to, by taxation, confiscate from AIG or its employees that money paid out in bonuses, wouldn’t that amount to a “Bill of Attainder”, and/or Ex Post Facto Legislation? And that’s in addition to nullifying a pre-existing contractual agreement between willing parties. It certainly seems all of these things would be in violation of the Constitution, but it won’t be the first time for that.

All this has no higher purpose than to distract us from what else they (congress) and this Administration are doing, because they are fearful of a huge public outcry on April 15th. That is a day we all know well and no one need more prompting for a better date for a huge public outcry about what’s been going on lately.

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I'd like to piggy-back a question sort of related to the Constitutuon.

President Obama took the Bar in Illinois, and on line two "Have you ever been know by any other name" wrote "None."

Since he was know as Barry Soetoro,

"When Barack and his mother lived in Indonesia, with Oil exec Lolo, he went by the name Barry Soetoro.."

BARACK OBAMA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS BARRY SOETORO « Chicagoans Against Obama

... is this considered a minor infraction, or is it a serious lack of disclosure? Any Lawyers, please.

You connies just won't drop it, will you? He's the fucking POTUS. You don't like it - go move to Canada or Mexico. I'm sick and tired of seeing this bullshit.

Get used to it. Less than 2 months into his term melting down won't cut it.

And no, nobody has to move anymore than you lefties did during Bush's 2 terms. We're here to stay, and the 1st Amendment applies to us as equally as it does you lefties.

 

[Shadow]

You connies just won't drop it, will you? He's the fucking POTUS. You don't like it - go move to Canada or Mexico. I'm sick and tired of seeing this bullshit.

I actually asked the question for informational purposes, but it is stunningly indicative of the frailty of your champion that you cannot abide some presumed criticism.

Again, the question was for someone with expertise in the area, and that clearly eliminates you.

But, should I need information about coprophagy, you can be sure I'll look you up in my Rolodex.

You guys are fucking traitors to the country. Not even in office 60 days and you won't stop. The liberals waited 3 years to start heckling Dubyah and that was AFTER he invaded a sovreign country. Sorry, you can have philosophical differences with the president, but the way you right-wingers treat him... if you're not fucking 100% behind the president of the united states, you need to leave this country. There's differences of opinion and then there's outright obsurdness. I read this shit day in and day out on the right wing forums... socialist this, marxist that. You people need to grow the fuck up. And yes, I said the exact same thing to the anti-war crowd in 2003.

You lie. You libbies were up GWB's ass before he was even inagurated...stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes...it won't work.

 

[DavidS]

It will have been shredded. Can you say Marxism? Yep! I bet you can.

It has already been shredded. Can you say PNAC, Bush, and Fascism?

Fascism, Democratic party -- what's the difference? Can you say line-item veto? Unfair taxation? Socialist-leaning policies?

Can you say Patriot Act? Throwing away our Fourth Amendment Rights? Throwing away our right to privacy? If you want to talk about constitutional problems, we can talk all day long about Bush.

Unfair taxation? An increase of 3% in taxes, like what we were under when Clinton was president is unfair?? Socialist leaning policies are policies that don't favor the rich? Giving tax cuts to 95% of the country is socialist? Everyone deserves their piece of the pie. This country hasn't been a capitalist country for many years. The rich get billions of dollars in tax cuts while the poor get barely anything. And how did that help our economy? Oh wait -- it didn't.

There has never - EVER been one reaganomic/supply side president in the history of this country, starting with the 1920 and ending in the 2000s, that hasn't ended in a severe recession. You look at the 1920s tax cuts.. BOOM great depression... you look at Reagan's tax cuts... 1990s recession with thousands of S&L's going belly up. You look at Bush's tax cuts... deep recession from 2007-2009. We've given this 3 chances already and it doesn't work. Increasing taxes 3% isn't socialist. The government determining the price of products that are sold to consumers is.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

People are justly angry that the peope who created this fiasco are being rewarded with their money. And there may be nothing at all under the law that we can do about it. However, it does make a very good case for higher taxes on the wealthy.

Really? I don't see a lot of anger being projected at Bawney Fwank and Maxine Waters and the Black Congressional Caucus...

 

[Gunny]

You connies just won't drop it, will you? He's the fucking POTUS. You don't like it - go move to Canada or Mexico. I'm sick and tired of seeing this bullshit.

I actually asked the question for informational purposes, but it is stunningly indicative of the frailty of your champion that you cannot abide some presumed criticism.

Again, the question was for someone with expertise in the area, and that clearly eliminates you.

But, should I need information about coprophagy, you can be sure I'll look you up in my Rolodex.

You guys are fucking traitors to the country. Not even in office 60 days and you won't stop. The liberals waited 3 years to start heckling Dubyah and that was AFTER he invaded a sovreign country. Sorry, you can have philosophical differences with the president, but the way you right-wingers treat him... if you're not fucking 100% behind the president of the united states, you need to leave this country. There's differences of opinion and then there's outright obsurdness. I read this shit day in and day out on the right wing forums... socialist this, marxist that. You people need to grow the fuck up. And yes, I said the exact same thing to the anti-war crowd in 2003.

You're full of shit. The left started on Bush before he was even in office, trying to claim he stole the election.

You need to try reading the Constitution. It is our RIGHT to dissent, and it is our RIGHT to voice that dissent. Using your statement above, WTF are ANY of you lefties still doing here? NONE of you supported Bush about anything.

You're the one that needs to grow up. Your opinions are not the only ones, nor are they necessarily right. I'm damned sure not blindly supporting ANYONE just because he happens to be President, nor am I moving any-fucking-where.

 

[Avatar4321]

People are justly angry that the peope who created this fiasco are being rewarded with their money. And there may be nothing at all under the law that we can do about it. However, it does make a very good case for higher taxes on the wealthy.

No. it makes a good case for not giving private corporations billions of dollars.

 

[xotoxi]

Bill of Attainder?

If congress passes a Law (Bill) to, by taxation, confiscate from AIG or its employees that money paid out in bonuses, wouldn’t that amount to a “Bill of Attainder”, and/or Ex Post Facto Legislation? And that’s in addition to nullifying a pre-existing contractual agreement between willing parties. It certainly seems all of these things would be in violation of the Constitution, but it won’t be the first time for that.

All this has no higher purpose than to distract us from what else they (congress) and this Administration are doing, because they are fearful of a huge public outcry on April 15th. That is a day we all know well and no one need more prompting for a better date for a huge public outcry about what’s been going on lately.

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Do you seriously think there will be a public outcry if AIG executives get smacked? I don't.

As an AIG executive, I certainly hope there will be!

I just purchased an island in the Caribbean!

 

[DavidS]

I'd like to piggy-back a question sort of related to the Constitutuon.

President Obama took the Bar in Illinois, and on line two "Have you ever been know by any other name" wrote "None."

Since he was know as Barry Soetoro,

"When Barack and his mother lived in Indonesia, with Oil exec Lolo, he went by the name Barry Soetoro.."

BARACK OBAMA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS BARRY SOETORO « Chicagoans Against Obama

... is this considered a minor infraction, or is it a serious lack of disclosure? Any Lawyers, please.

You connies just won't drop it, will you? He's the fucking POTUS. You don't like it - go move to Canada or Mexico. I'm sick and tired of seeing this bullshit.

Get used to it. Less than 2 months into his term melting down won't cut it.

And no, nobody has to move anymore than you lefties did during Bush's 2 terms. We're here to stay, and the 1st Amendment applies to us as equally as it does you lefties.

You people are going to look like idiots. Is Rick Santelli your Cindy Sheehan?

 

[xotoxi]

This democrat regime is the biggest cluster fuck I have ever witnessed.

Did you have your eyes closed for the past 8 years?

 

[Avatar4321]

You guys are fucking traitors to the country. Not even in office 60 days and you won't stop. The liberals waited 3 years to start heckling Dubyah and that was AFTER he invaded a sovreign country. Sorry, you can have philosophical differences with the president, but the way you right-wingers treat him... if you're not fucking 100% behind the president of the united states, you need to leave this country. There's differences of opinion and then there's outright obsurdness. I read this shit day in and day out on the right wing forums... socialist this, marxist that. You people need to grow the fuck up. And yes, I said the exact same thing to the anti-war crowd in 2003.

You arent really serious are you? Liberals went after President Bush before he was even Inagurated.

Im not 100% behind the President. And Im Not leaving the country.

And you're write there is a difference between opinion and outright absurdness. Its one thing to have the opinion that government should solve our problems. Its another thing to give away trillions of dollars in pork and claiming its going to benefit our country.

 

[WillowTree]

This democrat regime is the biggest cluster fuck I have ever witnessed.

Did you have your eyes closed for the past 8 years?

no, I did not,, this one is bigger.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

It will have been shredded. Can you say Marxism? Yep! I bet you can.

It has already been shredded. Can you say PNAC, Bush, and Fascism?

PNAC Shredded the US Constitution? ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's Precious. A private gather of people who expressed their political views... is "DESTROYING THE US CONSTITUTION!"

But you're exactly right about fascism destroying the US Constitution... and what ideology is Fascism? Here's a clue:

LEFTIST!

Fascism first came to the US Federal Executive in one Woodrow Wilson, a very enthusiastic member of the "Progressive movement' and our nations FIRST Academic President... Now leftism is an ideology and not a political party... but ya might take a minute and google President Wilson and check out what political party he represented.

Now here's the BAD news... With regard to the potential destructive effect on the US Constitution, Fascism is the LEAST OFFENSIVE facet of leftism... and is vastly preferred over the MARXISM which is presently sitting in the US LEGISLATURE AND THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE.

 

[Avatar4321]

This democrat regime is the biggest cluster fuck I have ever witnessed.

Did you have your eyes closed for the past 8 years?

Nope, which is why we can tell the difference between a sincere misstep and collossal stupidity.

 

[WillowTree]

Bill of Attainder?

If congress passes a Law (Bill) to, by taxation, confiscate from AIG or its employees that money paid out in bonuses, wouldn’t that amount to a “Bill of Attainder”, and/or Ex Post Facto Legislation? And that’s in addition to nullifying a pre-existing contractual agreement between willing parties. It certainly seems all of these things would be in violation of the Constitution, but it won’t be the first time for that.

All this has no higher purpose than to distract us from what else they (congress) and this Administration are doing, because they are fearful of a huge public outcry on April 15th. That is a day we all know well and no one need more prompting for a better date for a huge public outcry about what’s been going on lately.

.

It's time to grab the sides of the boat and start rocking it....

Nationwide Tax Day Tea Party :: April 15th, 2009

Revolution is brewing.

You know what's hilarious about this. Not one person who makes over $250,000 will be there and everyone else who's there will have their taxes cut. You people are fucking ridiculous. I hope they tear gas every single one of you scum sucking traitors.[/QUOTE]



I'm glad you think it's hilarious. Now read the next article then step back here and convince 95% of us that our taxes won't go up.. go ahead..

White House Admits Cap-And-Trade Tax Costs Triple Their Official Estimate




I’ve already explained here on the Forum how the cap-and-trade energy tax works, and would be the biggest tax increase in the history of the country. Now, amazingly, the White House is telling something closer to the truth about this tax hike, admitting that the official budget estimate of $646 billion over 8 years—already a mighty steep price to pay—is far, far lower than the real cost.

The deputy director of the White House National Economic Council, Jason Furman, is giving us a glimpse at the real number, telling Senate staff the energy tax scheme would actually raise “two-to-three times” the budget’s official $646 billion revenue estimate. Dow Jones reports that 5 people at the meeting confirmed the statement—we can be pretty sure he said it.

It make sense, because the budget estimate was only half the official score from the Congressional Budget Office for last year’s Lieberman-Warner bill, even though the Obama version is designed to have much steeper costs because it requires steeper emissions cuts.


If Furman is right that the real tax hike would be two or three times the official budget estimate—and it’s likely still a lowball—that would mean the actual tax hike would run well into the trillions, roughly between $1.3 trillion and $1.9 trillion between fiscal years 2012 and 2019 by Furman’s own estimate.

The White House claims that this massive gusher of new tax revenue would be dedicated to tax relief, but judging by the budget that’s just a PR gimmick. More than 42 percent of the “tax cuts” in the Obama budget—according to its own official estimates—go to people who don’t pay taxes. Call it a handout; call it a welfare check; call it social spending; don’t call it a tax cut, though, because it means the burden of the federal government on people who actually work, save, invest, and build wealth will be higher than ever before

White House Admits Cap-And-Trade Tax Costs Triple Their Official Estimate « FOX Forum « FOXNews.com