What's A "Palestine"? What's A "Palestinian"?


EOTS, Jesus was a Jew. Your pedophile pervert muhammad wasn't even born until 600 years after Jesus :badgrin:

Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."



Thats true, very true...but dont forget Gawd is a Muslim

...didnt you know that? :eusa_shifty:
 

EOTS, Jesus was a Jew. Your pedophile pervert muhammad wasn't even born until 600 years after Jesus :badgrin:

Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."



Thats true, very true...but dont forget Gawd is a Muslim

...didnt you know that? :eusa_shifty:

Islam is a scam invented by a caravan hijacking pedophile. Muslims don't set the bar very high for their "prophet"
 
EOTS, Jesus was a Jew. Your pedophile pervert muhammad wasn't even born until 600 years after Jesus :badgrin:

Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."



Thats true, very true...but dont forget Gawd is a Muslim

...didnt you know that? :eusa_shifty:

Islam is a scam invented by a caravan hijacking pedophile. Muslims don't set the bar very high for their "prophet"


I have a theory, that all the best religions were started by caravan hijacking pedophiles.

You're probably right tho, the Jewish profit is far superior to the Islamic profit...yeh!

But hey! Its only a theory :eusa_angel:
 
Thats true, very true...but dont forget Gawd is a Muslim

...didnt you know that? :eusa_shifty:

Islam is a scam invented by a caravan hijacking pedophile. Muslims don't set the bar very high for their "prophet"


I have a theory, that all the best religions were started by caravan hijacking pedophiles.

You're probably right tho, the Jewish profit is far superior to the Islamic profit...yeh!

But hey! Its only a theory :eusa_angel:

Founding Father of the United States of America John Adams
I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization
Amazon.com: Roots Of American Order (9781882926992): Russell Kirk, Forrest McDonald: Books

Winston Churchill...
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Amazon.com]Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books
 
Arab American Journalist Joseph Farah: The Myth Of Palestine And Palestinians
The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.”

Not true. In fact, the Quran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Quran, the 17th Sura, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream or a vision Muhammad was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. …” In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets — myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.
Myths of the Middle East
Palestine is a country without a man. A Palestinian is a man without a country. Catch22.
 
Arab American Journalist Joseph Farah: The Myth Of Palestine And Palestinians
The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.”

Not true. In fact, the Quran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Quran, the 17th Sura, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream or a vision Muhammad was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. …” In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets — myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.
Myths of the Middle East
Palestine is a country without a man. A Palestinian is a man without a country. Catch22.

The word Palestine is a European invention to call Israel, first the Romans, then the British. Under the British Mandate, everyone, including Jews, were called palestinians.

Prior to WW I during 400 years of the ottoman empire, there was no palestine. It was southern syria.
 
eots, et al,

There are people who refuse to look at today's reality because it doesn't fit with their perspective. And no one is going to be able to change their mind. They are lost causes.

While I don't always agree with Noam Chomsky, in this clip, he speaks about this one (narrow) subject in a straight forward and rational way. And I agree with this track.

(COMMENT)

There are those that would use religion or ancient history in arguments that deny Palestinian Grievances. There are those that say, Palestine never existed. There are those that would argue that Islam or Jewish culture is the cause of the turmoil in the Middle East. And there are those that unconditionally support the Palestinians or the Israelis, simply for no other reason than "it's their side."

It is rare that anyone makes an in depth examination of the foreign policies and laws, that exist in this reality today, to look for flaws; the correction or application of which might have a positive impact. We simply go on, decade after decade, making the same arguments, following the same policies, or reenforcing the same ideologies that have proved to be less than successful.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)​

Seldom do we logically and objectively analyze the realities of the day. Determining what we have to work with that we can forge into a peaceful, practical, and prosperous solutions for all.

It would appear that very few direct participants want a solution; and in fact, encourage the continuation of the dispute. To say otherwise, would be to suggest that over all this time, there has been no real coalition of dynamically and intelligent leaders, representing Israel and the Palestinians, that can mold a mutually agreeable solution.

In some measure, it is an indictment on the ability and leadership of the US, that it has not been able to assist in the development of a viable solution in over a half century of involvement.

But on the issue as Chomsky stated above, relative to the Administration of the Occupied Territories, the Israelis are clearly in the wrong, and the whole world understands that. Now there will always be those that will defend Israel, without regard to what is right 'or' wrong, and that is purely subjective; some undefined loyalty.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
There are those that would use religion or ancient history in arguments that deny Palestinian Grievances.
A palistanian without "grievances" is not a palistanians, of course, it's occupational.
But on the issue as Chomsky stated above, relative to the Administration of the Occupied Territories,
Ah! This is Chomsky's occupation.
 
Dr. Jerold Auerbach, PhD and Master's degrees in History, Columbia University, Chairman of the History Department, Wellesley College

When the Arabs Themselves Denied There Was a Palestine
Newt Gingrich has been challenged for calling the Palestinians an “invented” people. He was accused by a spokesman for the American Task Force on Palestine of “deep historical ignorance and an irrational hostility toward Palestinian identity.” To Sabri Saidam, adviser to Palestinian Authority’s president, Mahmoud Abbas, Mr. Gingrich had displayed “extreme racism.” But the former speaker seems to know more about Palestinian history than his critics. Indeed, Palestinians have said the same thing about themselves for decades.

Testifying before the British Peel Commission in 1937, Syrian leader Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi asserted: “There is no such country as Palestine. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us.” Prominent Arab historian Philip Hitti conceded: “There is no such thing as Palestine, absolutely not.” According to Columbia history professor Rashid Khalidi, a student of Palestinian identity, “Palestine” did not even exist until it emerged from the wreckage of World War I.

Zahir Muhsein, PLO military commander and member of its executive committee, acknowledged: “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation.” Identification of a Palestinian state, he conceded, was merely “a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.”

There is nothing new or wrong with being an “invented” people. The important question is whether a national identity is constructed from the distinctive experience of a people or, as the Palestinians have done, from plundering the history and heritage that belong to someone else.

Mr. Gingrich has been criticized near and far for his “invented” people observation. An Arab-Israeli Knesset member deplored his “lame and shameful comments.” Governor Romney blamed his rival for “incendiary words.” But Mr. Gingrich, as Palestinians have testified for 75 years, knows his history.
When the Arabs Themselves Denied There Was a Palestine - The New York Sun
 
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