What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

[P F Tinmore]

But why should we discuss religion?

This is not a religious conflict.

 

[Jroc]

But why should we discuss religion?

This is not a religious conflict.

It is for some, I was just correcting one of your fellow loons.

 

[abu afak]

We should abolish all religions. What has religion ever done for mankind? Anything positive?

I agree!

Of course Zionism was a SECULAR movement resulting from European [mostly racial] anti-semitism.

Israel is the home Mainly of the Jewish PEOPLE, not merely a religion.
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Jewish is the term given to people who follow judaism, just like a catholic follows the catholic religion. Get it?

You should have said: Israel is the home mainly of the Israeli PEOPLE, not merely the Jewish religion.

Monnagonna (of Fraudulent Signature fame) is Incorrect.
My statement above Was correct.
Israel is the Nation of the Jewish People.

Jews are Not just a Religion but a People/Nation.
Jews are an ETHNO-religous group and have been persecuted mainly on racial, not doctrinal, grounds.
Thus Zionism; the National movement of the Jewish people.

Jews can be identified Genetically (Unlike Muslims/Christians) in Overwhelming number and rare exception.
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[Monnagonna]

What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

WWIII

 

[abu afak]

Again.
Monnagonna's Sig and statement about Trump is a 100% Fraud.
Now a TROLL as well.
That "quote" in his sig appears NOWHERE on internet Except his sig.
Not for "Trump", Not for NO ONE.

Trump is very Pro-Israel and building there (70 stories) and Ivanka is married to an Orthodox Jew; Herself Converting TO Judaism 2 years ago.
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[Monnagonna]

Ivanka's marriage was a mossad plot to embarras The Donald. Too bad it was faked.

 

[abu afak]

Ivanka's marriage was a mossad plot to embarras The Donald. Too bad it was faked.

YOU must be a "Mossad plot".

Your Idiocy so grotesque you only stir support for Israel/Jews.
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[Monnagonna]

Ivanka's marriage was a mossad plot to embarras The Donald. Too bad it was faked.

YOU must be a "Mossad plot".

Your Idiocy so grotesque you only stir support for Israel/Jews.
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Jews need all the help they can get, just ask The Donald.

 

[LebanonPride]

The impact? Would have to be turning a land where 3 major religions lived in peace with eachother, to this.

Zionism brought nothing but violence when it immigrated from Europe and started taking the Palestinians land. They brought war and hate.

Only reason groups like Hamas and Hezbollah exist and are supported so much is because of Israel's aggression.

 

[abu afak]

The impact? Would have to be turning a land where 3 major religions lived in peace with eachother, to this.

Zionism brought nothing but violence when it immigrated from Europe and started taking the Palestinians land. They brought war and hate.

Only reason groups like Hamas and Hezbollah exist and are supported so much is because of Israel's aggression.

ANY place where Islam meets another Religion there is Violence.
Why blame the Jews who have lived in Palestine continuoulsy (if sometimes in small number) for 3000 years.

Jews were 25% of the Palestine population in the 1600's.. until they were Massacred by Muslims.

This Predates Zionism by 350 Years.
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[P F Tinmore]

The impact? Would have to be turning a land where 3 major religions lived in peace with eachother, to this.

Zionism brought nothing but violence when it immigrated from Europe and started taking the Palestinians land. They brought war and hate.

Only reason groups like Hamas and Hezbollah exist and are supported so much is because of Israel's aggression.

Interesting premise. If there was no Israel there would be no Hamas, no Hezbollah, no PLO, no PFLP, no DFLP, no PRC, no ISM, no flotillas, no BDS, no Islamic Jihad...

Israel is very creative.

 

[Jroc]

The impact? Would have to be turning a land where 3 major religions lived in peace with eachother, to this.

Zionism brought nothing but violence when it immigrated from Europe and started taking the Palestinians land. They brought war and hate.

Only reason groups like Hamas and Hezbollah exist and are supported so much is because of Israel's aggression.

Interesting premise. If there was no Israel there would be no Hamas, no Hezbollah, no PLO, no PFLP, no DFLP, no PRC, no ISM, no flotillas, no BDS, no Islamic Jihad...

Israel is very creative.

And no country called Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The impact? Would have to be turning a land where 3 major religions lived in peace with eachother, to this.

Zionism brought nothing but violence when it immigrated from Europe and started taking the Palestinians land. They brought war and hate.

Only reason groups like Hamas and Hezbollah exist and are supported so much is because of Israel's aggression.

Interesting premise. If there was no Israel there would be no Hamas, no Hezbollah, no PLO, no PFLP, no DFLP, no PRC, no ISM, no flotillas, no BDS, no Islamic Jihad...

Israel is very creative.

And no country called Palestine.

Counties that recognize the state of Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The impact? Would have to be turning a land where 3 major religions lived in peace with eachother, to this.

Zionism brought nothing but violence when it immigrated from Europe and started taking the Palestinians land. They brought war and hate.

Only reason groups like Hamas and Hezbollah exist and are supported so much is because of Israel's aggression.

Interesting premise. If there was no Israel there would be no Hamas, no Hezbollah, no PLO, no PFLP, no DFLP, no PRC, no ISM, no flotillas, no BDS, no Islamic Jihad...

Israel is very creative.

And no country called Palestine.

As the UN General Assembly lacks the power to do more than make recommendations, the starting point for Palestinian statehood or independence is not UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which recommended that two states be created on Palestinian territory. Instead it is the right to self-determination that the Palestinian people have as the indigenous people of Palestine. This right is perhaps the most notable human right in the United Nations. It is the only human right expressly recognised in the Charter of the United Nations, where articles 1, 55, and 73 acknowledge it. The right to self-determination is an essential — the most essential for many states — part of customary international law and has been declared one of the most basic principles of customary international law by the UN General Assembly’s Declaration on the Principles of International Law concerning the Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States.

The right to self-determination has been explicitly recognised as applicable to the situation of the Palestinian people by the UN General Assembly for more than 30 years. To this end it established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People in 1975 to work towards the realisation of this right. This right provides all peoples, including the Palestinian people, the right to determine their own future. It is a right that Israelis did not enjoy in Palestinian territory when they unilaterally declared their state in violation of Palestinians’ right to self-determination. The Palestinian right to self-determination pre-existed any effort by Israel to occupy Palestinian lands. It is a right that all Palestinians are entitled to exercise according to international law since at least the 1920s. It is thus a right that is enjoyed over all of the territory over which the British Mandate was approved by the League of Nations in 1922.

This does not mean that Palestinians are required to exercise this right, but if they wish to do so they are entitled to do so. They need no permission from anyone else. Indeed, today more than half the states in the international community recognise Palestine as a state.

JURIST - Forum: International Law and Palestinian Independence: A View from Palestine

 

[Free Thinker]

I have been to Israel many times. It is a spectacular oasis of civility, intellectual accomplishment and creative ingenuity surrounded by a wasteland of oppressive and ineffective Muslim hellholes. The Jews of Israel manage to thrive and excel against all odds and in a deeply hostile environment. They are to be commended and admired. As a Christian, I 100% support Israel and the Jewish people (who are our spiritual brethren). The sick arrogant Muslim World loves to dream of the demise of Israel and the Jewish people, but that will never happen. Israel exists by Devine right.

 

[Douger]

Isn't it amazing what can be done on stolen land with mooched money.

Hey guess what! Jews aren't the victims of our European and Arab oppressors anymore. We have a state, we have good educations, wealth, political prosperity, a legitimate cause and we've won several wars against Arab nations. I understand Hollywood's love affair with Jews Who Lose stories, but that era is over.

We're doing okay.

Fucking deal with it.

Interesting. I didn't know IsNtReal had a city named Denver ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have been to Israel many times. It is a spectacular oasis of civility, intellectual accomplishment and creative ingenuity surrounded by a wasteland of oppressive and ineffective Muslim hellholes. The Jews of Israel manage to thrive and excel against all odds and in a deeply hostile environment. They are to be commended and admired. As a Christian, I 100% support Israel and the Jewish people (who are our spiritual brethren). The sick arrogant Muslim World loves to dream of the demise of Israel and the Jewish people, but that will never happen. Israel exists by Devine right.

So, you are a Christian who supports Israel as Israel drives Christians out of the holy land?

 

[Jroc]

Interesting premise. If there was no Israel there would be no Hamas, no Hezbollah, no PLO, no PFLP, no DFLP, no PRC, no ISM, no flotillas, no BDS, no Islamic Jihad...

Israel is very creative.

And no country called Palestine.

As the UN General Assembly lacks the power to do more than make recommendations, the starting point for Palestinian statehood or independence is not UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which recommended that two states be created on Palestinian territory. Instead it is the right to self-determination that the Palestinian people have as the indigenous people of Palestine. This right is perhaps the most notable human right in the United Nations. It is the only human right expressly recognised in the Charter of the United Nations, where articles 1, 55, and 73 acknowledge it. The right to self-determination is an essential — the most essential for many states — part of customary international law and has been declared one of the most basic principles of customary international law by the UN General Assembly’s Declaration on the Principles of International Law concerning the Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States.

The right to self-determination has been explicitly recognised as applicable to the situation of the Palestinian people by the UN General Assembly for more than 30 years. To this end it established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People in 1975 to work towards the realisation of this right. This right provides all peoples, including the Palestinian people, the right to determine their own future. It is a right that Israelis did not enjoy in Palestinian territory when they unilaterally declared their state in violation of Palestinians’ right to self-determination. The Palestinian right to self-determination pre-existed any effort by Israel to occupy Palestinian lands. It is a right that all Palestinians are entitled to exercise according to international law since at least the 1920s. It is thus a right that is enjoyed over all of the territory over which the British Mandate was approved by the League of Nations in 1922.

This does not mean that Palestinians are required to exercise this right, but if they wish to do so they are entitled to do so. They need no permission from anyone else. Indeed, today more than half the states in the international community recognise Palestine as a state.

JURIST - Forum: International Law and Palestinian Independence: A View from Palestine

You can post all the bull you want, The fact is if there were no Israel that land would be a part of Jordan, Egypt and Syria. I could give a shit about your U.N. post they are a joke.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And no country called Palestine.

As the UN General Assembly lacks the power to do more than make recommendations, the starting point for Palestinian statehood or independence is not UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which recommended that two states be created on Palestinian territory. Instead it is the right to self-determination that the Palestinian people have as the indigenous people of Palestine. This right is perhaps the most notable human right in the United Nations. It is the only human right expressly recognised in the Charter of the United Nations, where articles 1, 55, and 73 acknowledge it. The right to self-determination is an essential — the most essential for many states — part of customary international law and has been declared one of the most basic principles of customary international law by the UN General Assembly’s Declaration on the Principles of International Law concerning the Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States.

The right to self-determination has been explicitly recognised as applicable to the situation of the Palestinian people by the UN General Assembly for more than 30 years. To this end it established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People in 1975 to work towards the realisation of this right. This right provides all peoples, including the Palestinian people, the right to determine their own future. It is a right that Israelis did not enjoy in Palestinian territory when they unilaterally declared their state in violation of Palestinians’ right to self-determination. The Palestinian right to self-determination pre-existed any effort by Israel to occupy Palestinian lands. It is a right that all Palestinians are entitled to exercise according to international law since at least the 1920s. It is thus a right that is enjoyed over all of the territory over which the British Mandate was approved by the League of Nations in 1922.

This does not mean that Palestinians are required to exercise this right, but if they wish to do so they are entitled to do so. They need no permission from anyone else. Indeed, today more than half the states in the international community recognise Palestine as a state.

JURIST - Forum: International Law and Palestinian Independence: A View from Palestine

You can post all the bull you want, The fact is if there were no Israel that land would be a part of Jordan, Egypt and Syria. I could give a shit about your U.N. post they are a joke.

The right to self-determination predates the UN. It was also recognized in the League of Nations charter. It was also part or the Palestine Mandate. A part of the mandate that Britain violated by inserting its own agenda.

 

[Jroc]

As the UN General Assembly lacks the power to do more than make recommendations, the starting point for Palestinian statehood or independence is not UN General Assembly Resolution 181 which recommended that two states be created on Palestinian territory. Instead it is the right to self-determination that the Palestinian people have as the indigenous people of Palestine. This right is perhaps the most notable human right in the United Nations. It is the only human right expressly recognised in the Charter of the United Nations, where articles 1, 55, and 73 acknowledge it. The right to self-determination is an essential — the most essential for many states — part of customary international law and has been declared one of the most basic principles of customary international law by the UN General Assembly’s Declaration on the Principles of International Law concerning the Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States.

The right to self-determination has been explicitly recognised as applicable to the situation of the Palestinian people by the UN General Assembly for more than 30 years. To this end it established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People in 1975 to work towards the realisation of this right. This right provides all peoples, including the Palestinian people, the right to determine their own future. It is a right that Israelis did not enjoy in Palestinian territory when they unilaterally declared their state in violation of Palestinians’ right to self-determination. The Palestinian right to self-determination pre-existed any effort by Israel to occupy Palestinian lands. It is a right that all Palestinians are entitled to exercise according to international law since at least the 1920s. It is thus a right that is enjoyed over all of the territory over which the British Mandate was approved by the League of Nations in 1922.

This does not mean that Palestinians are required to exercise this right, but if they wish to do so they are entitled to do so. They need no permission from anyone else. Indeed, today more than half the states in the international community recognise Palestine as a state.

JURIST - Forum: International Law and Palestinian Independence: A View from Palestine

You can post all the bull you want, The fact is if there were no Israel that land would be a part of Jordan, Egypt and Syria. I could give a shit about your U.N. post they are a joke.

The right to self-determination predates the UN. It was also recognized in the League of Nations charter. It was also part or the Palestine Mandate. A part of the mandate that Britain violated by inserting its own agenda.

Are you in some kind of dream world? There was never any independent land or country called Palestine your stupid assertions make no difference, they don't change the facts as they are on the ground today and throughout history