What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

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    Tinhead has stirred me to start another educational String.
    That is a De-propagandizing one about the origins of the conflict

    What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?
    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_zionists_impact.php

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    Tel Aviv Founding Ceremony, 1909
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    That says it all.
     
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    Roads, irrigation, technology, universities, hospitals, schools, trade, homes, government, army, the ingathering of exiles and a new state that has more companies on NASDAQ than all of the UK and is responsible for things like ICQ and much of our satellite technology.

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    Monday, 21 September 2009
    Website Review - Palestine Facts - Propaganda Alert
    Palestine Facts

    The website displayed above is a farce. It's a thinly disguised attempt to colour the Arab-Israeli conflict in the blue colours of Zionism and making it appear like this is the truth, at least from a Palestinian standpoint. The target audience for this website is people who are not very knowledgeable about the conflict and who don't know who to ask for information. However, even with zero facts, you will quickly discover the bias, as I will demonstrate below:

    1-It's Anonymous

    No one seems to want to claim responsibility for this website, as this paragraph quoted from the FAQ section demonstrates:


    "There is no one individual editor. The site has been prepared by a team of writers and editors who are knowledgable of the history, politics, economics and military situation in the Middle East, based on information compiled from the best available sources. They have developed Palestine Facts to provide much-needed factual information to everyone who may be interested in the current situation in Israel, how it evolved to today's status, and what might be reasonable policies for the future."


    I wonder how many of those "team of writers" are Zionist? or Arab?
    Would you trust the opinion of someone without a name?

    2- The nomenclature used is exclusively zionist:

    For example, the Occupied West Bank is called Judea and Samaria which is a biblical name fanatic Zionists like to call Arab land that they believe belongs to them. No one (even the UN) uses such names except Israel. This is the same area where some Israeli soldiers refuse to serve on ethical grounds. The UN has issued numerous resolutions deeming Israeli settlements in that area illegal, and yet Israel continues to build on land that is not theirs.

    3- Biased Maps:


    "Invalid Palestinian Arab Maps.Anti-Israel forces have made an industry out of producing invalid maps that either deny the existence of Israel altogether or distort the history and modern situation."


    Basically according to this "unbiased" website, any map that is pro-Palestinian is automatically anti-Israeli. What biased logic. The aim of this website is to delete Palestine from the world vocabulary. Interestingly, they do not mention anything about the Israeli Apartheid Wall which was unilaterally drawn by the Israelis and which clearly illegally annexes Arab land that does not belong to Israel.

    Even Wikipedia acknowledges that: "Parts of the barrier are built on land seized from Palestinians", although their maps show a clear bias against the Palestinians by naming Arab land with Jewish names. Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Unbiased websites such as this: Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign: Updated Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign Poster Map show the land grab graphically on accurate maps.

    4- Biased Sources:

    Any academic knows that the quality of your thesis is underpinned by the quality of your sources. This website uses exclusively Israeli sources to describe their supposed Palestinian viewpoint. It's like asking the KKK to abolish slavery. Their map references include:


    The Department for Jewish Zionist Education, The Jewish Agency for Israel
    State of Israel, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    Maps of Israeli Interests in Judea and Samaria, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies
    etc..


    5- Denial of any Palestinian history or rights:

    The site blatantly tries to argue everything for Israel's benifit, it even claims that the Occupied Territories are not such but they are "occupied territories" very much in the same way that Arabs try to deny Israel's existence by calling it "Israel".

    There is a section called Arabian Fables that is as logical as a drunken alcoholic abusive rapist. For example:


    "The "Palestinians". That is the fundamental myth.


    Again, the use of the quotations to indicate that the Palestinians don't exist. Weird, because the word Palestine has been there since even before the Arabs came to Palestine, and is a Greek name in fact, more than 2000 years old. Another gaping hole in their logic especially since their website's name is Palestine Facts!

    What about this:


    "Josef Goebbels, the infamous propaganda minister of the Nazis, had it right. Just tell people big lies often enough and they will believe them."


    Let's get it clear. This is a website full of anti-Palestinian propaganda. What is very ironic is that they use Nazi propaganda to claim that their propaganda is correct. Well two wrongs never made a right.

    Let's never forget that it's Nazi Germany that killed the Jews and not Arab Palestinians. The holocaust is not an Arab problem but the Arabs have had to pay for it. Wouldn't it be fairer if we founded Israel inside Germany?

    BuJ Al Arab: Website Review - http://www.palestinefacts.org/ - Propaganda Alert
     
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    http://www.humanrightsinstitute.com/History_Versus_Arab_Claims.asp

    "....Palestine was described by travelers as a desolate empty, ruined land.
    Thomas Shaw (1738),
    Volney (1783, 1784, 1785),
    James Finn (1878),
    Alphonse de Lamartine (1835) and
    Mark Twain (1867) all wrote about it with Horror.

    Volney described the "ruined" and desolate" country and estimated the total population of the much larger area he saw as no more than 50,000 to 100,000.

    Lamartine wrote:

    "Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw Indeed no living object, heard no living object, heard no living sound, we found the same void the same silence…
    as we should have expected before the entombed gates of Pompeli or Herculaneam…a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, on the highways in the country…the tomb of a whole people.
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    (Recollections of the East, vol. 1, pp. 268, 308, London, 1815).
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    George Adam Smith, a geographer who visited Palestine in 1830 before the changes made by European Immigrants, described the country as
    a mixture of barren, treeless land, and malarial weed-grown swamps.

    Jews who bought this worthless land were called "children of death" because many of them did not survive. Now, almost a hundred years later,
    Arafat labels these immigrants "invaders" and demands the right to take over their land.

    Did these immigrants destroy the "indigenous culture" Arafat described as existing until European Jews came as immigrants? Or did they improve matters?

    The old travelers and geographers found no indigenous culture. They told of isolated villages, each an enemy of the next, of Arab marauders, of incredible poverty, disease and beggars.

    Mark Twain described mudhouses five to seven feet high, covered with discs of camel dung for fuel because there was no timber of any consequence in Palestine.
    Tiberias was described in appalling terms by Twain.

    Smith called it a "poor fevered place of less than 5,000 inhabitants."

    Cunningham Geikie wrote of Galilee that "Tiberias and the wretched Magdala are the only inhabited places on the whole lake,
    although in the day of our Lord nine towns and many villages,
    all populous were found on its shores or on the hillsides behind."

    Jerusalem was described by Mark Twain as having "rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt…. Lepers, cripples, the blind, and the idiotic, assail you on every hand,
    and they know but one word of but one language apparently—the eternal "bucksheesh."

    All travelers described Arabs and Jews living in these dreadful conditions. None saw a people called "Palestinians" who are said by Arafat to have lived in a verdant Palestine with an ancient culture.

    Records such as the 1920 British Foreign Office Peace Handbooks (Mohammedan History) show that Arabs as well as Jews benefited from immigration of these European Jews to that desolate land.

    All travelers made clear that Jews continued to live in the land.
    There is no suggestion that Jews ever abandoned their claim to it. It was this continuity of Jewish presence in their land that Reverend James Parkes, writing in "Whose Land?"
    considered to be the real title deeds of Jews to their land....."

    http://www.humanrightsinstitute.com/History_Versus_Arab_Claims.asp
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    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)

    "...5. Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

    Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra;
    the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000.
    The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
    Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000;
    Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50.
    During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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    Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

    ....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
    1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
    1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census (abu)
    1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
    1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
    1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
    1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
    1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

    http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm

    Link expired but the Ottoman Census figures, which form it's backbone, and I noted were from the Ottoman counts, are not in dispute.
    The later numbers widely available.
    The first line/1838 probably approximated using regression analysis.
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    Tel Aviv, 1912.

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    Tel Aviv, 1920.

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    Tel Aviv, 1925.

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    Tel Aviv, modern times.

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    And let's not forget Eilat, which is home to one of my favorite photographs:

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    Today:

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    Say thank you to the dumb American taxpayers.
     
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    History of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Ah, Mount Carmel, right by my mother's birthplace (Haifa).

    1894:

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    Today, Haifa is boomin':

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    Over 60,000 Jews came to Palestine in 1935. This is Haifa then:

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    Dare I say Zionists developed an economy and infrastructure that was independent from neighboring Arab countries (ones carved out by the British, I should add) ?
     

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