Zone1 What was Mohammud's Dispute With The Jews Around Him ?

[ReinyDays]

The Bedouin took the herds to follow available pasture and water . They also provided meat and hides, salt and some trade items.

The townies provided grain, clay pots, textiles etc.

Often they were related like extended family.

Saudi Arabia had a tiny population up to the 1950s.

What do you mean "townies"? ... if the people who living in the towns weren't Bedouin, what were they? ... because Muhammad was born and raised in Mecca ... and as an adult, was a caravan leader from Mecca to Jerusalem ... [smile] ... he married into wealth ...

I think in religious matters, there's no difference between the nomadic herders and the settlements at the wells and oases ... towns and villages if you wish ... we don't have to call Ottumwa a "farming community" ... but it is a community of farmers ...

 

[seaofnails]

I agree somewhat with you, the Bible is completely silent about the age of 〘 allowable 〙 sexual relationships for girls / women

however, from a Christian and Hebrew perspective one thing to consider is, that in the Bible there is not an example of a prophet or writer of scriptures who has married a young girl at a very early age.

Child molestation may have happened within the society of ancient Hebrew people ↩ or it may have never happened at all
or just a very few instances - ✒ but there is not an example of someone ordained by God who marries a 6 ︸ 9 year old child who was glorified and counted as good action or affirmed lifestyle choice and approved by God

the mode says - God is silent about it because it was never practiced by prophets and men of God. ✦

the fact that Millions of Muslims historically did believe that the Hadith were faithfully true and that having sex with a little child was a proper godly thing to do / approved by the Prophet and his God called LAH

- Muslims should not lay blame upon the Bible for it's silence on the matter of sexual abuse of children .... to make a comparison to the Quran also being silent about sexual abuse of children

it is not truthful and honest because Christians and Jews throughout history and leading up to today do not have thousands upon thousands of little girls whom are molested and raped as a NORM to society

Thousands of little Muslim girls are allowed to be sexualized at a very, very young age and the Muslim world does absolutely nothing about it - the JEWS AND CHRISTIANS have to step in and force the Muslim world to stop this from happening.

the Hadith have taken ahold of the Muslim mind and the majority accept the hadith when it mentally suits them - and Muslims reject Hadith when it becomes impossible to physically defend .

 

[seaofnails]

I believe Christ would have wanted each person whom he loves to know about why

I believe Christ would demand that each person whom he loves - to know . ☞.... today

know ✦ understand ✦ comprehend the reasoning and purpose of the Quran / Islam / Mohammud

what is Mohammud pronouncing condemnation in claiming the Old Testament has been corrupted because the Old Testament still today ︸

today ︸ ✒ the Old Testament holds, values, promotes ♡ upholds and demands and.. ✣ ENVELOPES ✣.. PREVERVES, " PRESERVATION of it's ANCIENT " self - same " continual teachings about - animal sacrifices, circumcision, idols, adultery, murder, theft, denial of the trinity, sabbath, the oneness of God..

☞ today just as yesterday - the Old Testament holds, values, promotes ♡ upholds and demands these values

YET STILL - - - - 〘 this all seems proven to be simply a personal grievance, offence and resentment for the racial personality and distain - 〙 violent - rejection 〘 - for the existence of the Hebrew people who have preserved their scriptures - perfectly

why do Muslims claim that the Old Testament is corrupt and that the Jews are the very, very worst and lowest and most horrible of all creatures upon the earth - nothing is lower that a jew who follows his failed and corrupted Bible.

what law from the Quran have the Jews broken

 

[seaofnails]

freaking join with me _ you

I am a partial Italian / Canaanite / - ☞ european, canaanite persian arabian / european

join with me and defend Isreal because the Jews are deserving of self - defense and a homeland

as a partial Italian, myself - - - ok ? - I'm just asking you to help me in uniting Italians as myself to support the Jews and their literal homeland and defending the people who want freedom and PEACE in the Middle East - without being hunted and hurt as - "" SUB - HUMAN "" - animals

euro - pian / ara - bianian - - - - - - euro-pianian - Arabian / Europian

I demend we come together and support Isreal - - - -today - - - ♡ NOW

 

[BreezeWood]

I demend we come together and support Isreal - - - -today - - - ♡ NOW

oh,

will that be before or after - helping their needy hand - to resurrect gaza in their own image ... though, maybe - needing help may not be whats uppermost in their thoughts.

 

[mudwhistle]

What is this mysterious human characteristic that some accept unsubstantiated stories that others see to be totally fabricated?

With some people the source is all that matters.

 

[there4eyeM]

Being attached to the material is what drags our race down. All people are equally entitled to live somewhere. It is avarice and selfishness that would exclude people from that. Insisting today that some claim to a particular corner of the earth dating thousands of years into the past is incoherent in context. The problem is that we refuse to deal with existence as mature creatures.

 

[irosie91]

The problem was that they tried to kill Muhammad.

Jews and Christians are people of the book. Actually an earlier revelation.

You're pretty ignorant about the whole thing.

Surada has to agree that DA JOOOOS tried to kill the rapist dog------her living depended on it. In fact, the real issue is that DA JOOOOS REFUSED TO LICK THE ASS OF THE RAPIST OF MECCA

 

[Cougarbear]

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i think my main point was that how the entire condemnation of the Jews from an - Old Testament perspective - is centered around differences and matters that are very trivial ︸ inconsequential ︸ microscopic ︸ nonessential ︸ and so small in consequence.

all of the basic principles regarding animal sacrifices, circumcision, idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, sabbath, the oneness of God, even the simple basic moral obligations of justice and morals, all these basic important principles in Islam that the Quran teaches ☞ the Jews themselves also believed perfectly.


yes, the Quran goes off the rails and perverts and alters these things in a very perverted and distorted way but the Jews did not disagree and dispute with Mohammud about the things that the Quran considered essential for so - called righteous Muslims.

The main disputes were centered around the person of Mohammud himself and regarding his importance and personal significance and role in propagating a message and faith system that he claims already was written and well known in the New and Old Testament. Mohammud claims that all of his teachings were confirmed in the Bible that existed in the very time in which he lived - the 7 th century.

The Old Testament still today holds the same teachings about - animal sacrifices, circumcision, idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, sabbath, the oneness of God.

for example, the knowledge and future coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is not mentioned or made known in the OId Testament, it is described in 1Pe 1: 10 - 12 saying


:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of The ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of the anointing / Christ, and the glory that should follow.

:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven.......................

this is explaining that the prophets did not receive the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ the son of God was never revealed to them 〙

☞ revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us - - - -

they ministered the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven

meaning in the Old Testament manuscripts ︸ Christ / The Anointing was IN these Old Testament prophets as they suffered as prophets who were filled with Christ in them- the spirit of God anointing them and ..... their very suffering that they endured for the sake of the Anointing / Christ in them signified and declared and testified the future suffering of Christ / The Anointing - the Son Of God - to come in the future.


〘 this was not revealed to them as knowledge and understanding they understood - 〙 this was kept secret, hidden from them, unknown,. meaning = they are a testimony that the Anointing / Christ was in them - but they did not testify of the Son Of God, whom was born in the last days - but testified in their suffering the same suffering that the Spirit of God would also come to suffer as the Anointing, Jesus Christ to come in the future.


I just don't see the reasoning and purpose of the Quran / Islam / Mohammud pronouncing condemnation in claiming the Old Testament has been corrupted because the Old Testament still today ︸ holds the same teachings about - animal sacrifices, circumcision, idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, sabbath, the oneness of God.. 〘 this all seems proven to be simply a personal grievance, offence and resentment for the racial personality and existence of the Hebrew people who have preserved their scriptures perfectly

- and Mohammud is envious and filled with jealousy, resentment and personal conflict with the ☞ Jewish race and
☞ the existence of Jews calling themselves Jews,
☞ of Jews living in their homeland, of Jews having preserved scriptures
☞ of Jews not being dependent upon his revelations and prophecies and spiritual claims

all of this resentment, hatred and jealousy and anger is transmitted and projected into contradiction and complete inconsistency to decry, condemn, denounce, censure, discredit and vilify the Old Testament manuscripts as corruption - when the evidence shows that the Old Testament still today holds these same exact teachings about ︸ animal sacrifices, circumcision, idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, sabbath, the oneness of God.

Islam wants to be important and uplifted as the missing piece of the puzzle that replaces everything - when the Old Testament has not changed its core teaching - Islam is built completely on false claims and contradiction simply because personal feelings of resentment, hatred and jealousy, anger and racism are all that matters in the very core of Islam. ↩

The OT prophets did prophecy of the coming of Jesus Christ. The OT is a testament of Jesus Christ.

• her seed … shall bruise thy head, Gen. 3:15 (Rom. 16:20).
• sceptre … until Shiloh come, Gen. 49:10.
• from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel, Gen. 49:24.
• there shall come a Star out of Jacob, Num. 24:17.
• raise up unto thee a Prophet, Deut. 18:15.
• Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee, Ps. 2:7 (2:12).
• my God, why hast thou forsaken me, Ps. 22:1.
• they pierced my hands and my feet, Ps. 22:16.
• Who is this King of glory, Ps. 24:10.
• He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken, Ps. 34:20.
• thou hast led captivity captive, Ps. 68:18.
• zeal of thine house hath eaten me up, Ps. 69:9.
• in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink, Ps. 69:21 (Matt. 27:34, 48).
• priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek, Ps. 110:4.
• stone which the builders refused is become the head, Ps. 118:22 (Matt. 21:42;
• make the horn of David to bud, Ps. 132:17.
• a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son … Immanuel, Isa. 7:14 (Matt. 1:23;
• unto us a child is born, Isa. 9:6 (2 Ne. 19:6).
• there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, Isa. 11:1.
• this is our God; we have waited for him, Isa. 25:9.
• I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, Isa. 28:16.
• Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Isa. 40:3.
• To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners, Isa. 42:7.
• I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks, Isa. 50:6.
• he was wounded for our transgressions, Isa. 53:5 .
• Redeemer shall come to Zion, Isa. 59:20.
• anointed me to preach good tidings, Isa. 61:1.
• raise unto David a righteous Branch, Jer. 23:5 (33:15).
• I will open your graves, Ezek. 37:12 (Matt. 27:52).
• to make reconciliation for iniquity, Dan. 9:24.
• shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself, Dan. 9:26.
• I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt, Hosea 11:1 (Matt. 2:15).
• I will redeem them from death, Hosea 13:14.
• thou brought up my life from corruption, Jonah 2:6 (2:2–9).
• Beth-lehem … out of thee shall he come forth unto me, Micah 5:2 (Matt. 2:6).
• Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, Hab. 3:13.
• I will bring forth my servant the Branch, Zech. 3:8 (6:12).
• thy King cometh unto thee … riding upon an ass, Zech. 9:9.
• I was prised at … thirty pieces of silver, Zech. 11:13.
• I was wounded in the house of my friends, Zech. 13:6.
• Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, Mal. 3:1 .

 

[Libby von H]

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What was Mohammud's Dispute With The Jews Around Him ?


‘’ Mohammad claims that Islamic Torah and Gospels were already there with him at his time - Mohammad claims that Islamic Torah and Gospels were there with him confirming his very exact message. ‘’

Yet we see the Muslims of his day running around frantically, in a frenzied reverence just to go about scratching and etching upon stones, bark, wood, and animal skins, just to etch and scrawl something down that was already written in the Torah and Gospels.

All they had to do was go to a village or a city just a few miles away and make a copy and translate the scriptures. Yet, Islam goes through this entire process - of "" Re - Processing "" all of this information through another spiritual entity called " Gee - briel “ an angel “ and Mohammud is making the claim that all of this information was already written down and with them in the very same exact land where they lived. in Torah and Gospels -

as an already existing written book and an existing faith that was vindicating Islam


MOAHMMAUD HAD THE TORAH AND GOSPELS WITH HIM - all around him in the very land where he lived

and yet, his followers go around scrawling and scratching and etching on leaves, bark, wood and sticks, and rocks and skins, something that was already supposed to be in the same area where they lived. In The Torah and Gospels. How is this something revelatory or prophetic as "" revelations, "" to repeat stories and passages of a book that already supposedly already exists and is well known and spread to hundreds of thousands or people - just a few miles away from Mohammud's very doorstep ?

Surah 94: “ So, (O prophet,) EVEN IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT about what We have sent down to you, ASK THOSE WHO READ THE BOOK (revealed) before you. Surely, truth has come to you from your Lord, so NEVER BE AMONG THOSE who are suspicious.”

Here, the Quran is commanding people to believe in the Torah and Gospels and take these books as God's word and as truth, and to not be among those - who are suspicious…..

Yet, all the Muslims had to do was simply take a short journey and walk to a nearby city or ask among the passing caravans for a copy of the scriptures, yet they don’t do that….

instead they use Mohammad to contact some unknown, unseen spiritual identity - to tell them what a book says that already exists all around them - just a few miles from their doorstep.

Mohammad claims to be going about reciting the Torah and Gospels and throughout his whole life, Muslims are depicted as to clinging to every single last word
Mohammud is repeatedly continually demanding ! - - LOOK - CHECK - look CONFIRM - in the Torah and Gospels - this is my very message - my message is the same exact message that is also confirmed in the Torah and Gospels. -

HOW DOES THIS PROCESS MAKE SOMEONE A PROPHET - with revelation

- he is not even claiming or demonstrating to be prophesying and foretelling and revealing something that is unknown and showing people something that is unknown and needs to be revealed...... Mohammud's claim and very words in the Quran continually repeat the same message saying that " my very Islamic message - my message, is the same exact message that is also confirmed in the Torah and Gospels. "

Is this process truly confirming something as prophecy and revelation and truth by taking the contents from one book that is available for everyone and then translating and copying them into another language. ?



In conclusion - - I ask Muslims one single question

what was it about the faith and belief system of the Jews where Mohammud lived that was in disobedience and against the core teachings of the Quran ?

I submit that there is not a single piece of any evidence that demonstrates that the Jews where Mohammud lived were in conflict nor disagreement with the core teachings of the Quran. in fact the Jews did not reject Mohammud’s core basic message about God’s laws, the jews did not disagree with Mohammud about the oneness of God =

the jews did not disagree with anything regarding the moral code of God and his laws about idols and sin and the commandments of God.

so - what was Mohammud’s big problem with the jews ?

what was Mohammud upset with the jews about concerning their faith ?

the jews around Mohammud believed that God was one single God - the jews did not worship idols and other God’ s – in fact the jews around Mohammud - they rejected that jesus was the son of God, the jews accepted every single last commandment that Mohammud concluded about basic critical laws of God

Mohammud mentions nothing about moral or law disagreements that he had with the jews,

the jews around Mohammud - are not shown to have disagreed with Mohammuds moral code - every single commandment and every single critical core and basic law and ordinance of God that Mohammud eventually decided - the jews obeyed and believed.

Yet - Mohammud - demands that the jews are the worst creatures that have ever existed on the planet.

Can Muslims can produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran - or - a single example - where that the jews around Mohammud failed to accept the laws of God or failed to believe and accept in the moral code of every single last thing in the quran.

Can Muslims produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran



the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of a faith.

in Fact - The Jews held to even a much stricter law and teaching about not divorcing your wife for no just cause or reason

the jews accepted every single last core and basic commandment that Mohammud concluded about basic critical laws of God - Mohammud mentions nothing about moral or law disagreements that he had with the jews. The jews around Mohammud - are not shown to have disagreed with Mohammuds moral code - every single commandment and every single critical core and basic law and ordinance of God that Mohammud eventually decided - the jews obeyed and believed.

Yet, Mohammud - demands that the jews are the worst creatures that have ever existed on the planet.

Can Muslims can produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran - or - a single example - where that the jews around Mohammud failed to accept the laws of God within the Quran or failed to believe and accept in the core principles of moral code of every single last thing in the quran.

Can Muslims produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the quran ?



the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of a faith

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not buy and sell slaves and participate in the slave trade ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not capture women and enslave them and and have sexual intercourse with these slaves without a condition of mutual love and and full agreement of marriage ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews because - the Jews did not practice temporary short term " MUTTAH " marriages just for a few hours or days of sexual gratification ?

was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not teach that divorce for any reason was justified in the eyes of God ?


was Mohamud's dispute with the Jews - because the Jews did not beat their wives when their wives disobeyed their husbands sexual demands and ?

Quran 4:34) for those women on whose part ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them.

Can Muslims produce a single example of where the jews around Mohammud disobeyed the core teachings and core principles of the quran - - to the degree that would castigate the jews as the worst creatures that have ever existed on the planet.


the Jews did not disagree with Mohammed upon basic principles regarding idols, adultery, murder, theft, the trinity, Sabbath, the oneness of God, the moral obligations of ones faith

but yet Mohammud demands that the Jews are considered the most horrible and worst of all creatures upon the earth.

Far as I know this is false top to bottom.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT< DO RESEARCH, SEEK THE HIGH ROAD

 

[surada]

In the Islamic governments of the Middle East and North Africa

Every year, 700,000 girls are forced into child marriage.

we would think that the Muslim world would destroy the thousands of Hadith that are incorrect, blasphemous and filled with error

yet the only book in error they consider important enough to destroy and address in their perception is the Bible

Most Muslims I have known in the Middle East were familiar with the Bible, but they don't attack it as you attack the Koran.

Child brides were part of the culture. Life expectancy was less than 50 years.

Education has changed that.

 

[surada]

The OT prophets did prophecy of the coming of Jesus Christ. The OT is a testament of Jesus Christ.

• her seed … shall bruise thy head, Gen. 3:15 (Rom. 16:20).
• sceptre … until Shiloh come, Gen. 49:10.
• from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel, Gen. 49:24.
• there shall come a Star out of Jacob, Num. 24:17.
• raise up unto thee a Prophet, Deut. 18:15.
• Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee, Ps. 2:7 (2:12).
• my God, why hast thou forsaken me, Ps. 22:1.
• they pierced my hands and my feet, Ps. 22:16.
• Who is this King of glory, Ps. 24:10.
• He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken, Ps. 34:20.
• thou hast led captivity captive, Ps. 68:18.
• zeal of thine house hath eaten me up, Ps. 69:9.
• in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink, Ps. 69:21 (Matt. 27:34, 48).
• priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek, Ps. 110:4.
• stone which the builders refused is become the head, Ps. 118:22 (Matt. 21:42;
• make the horn of David to bud, Ps. 132:17.
• a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son … Immanuel, Isa. 7:14 (Matt. 1:23;
• unto us a child is born, Isa. 9:6 (2 Ne. 19:6).
• there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, Isa. 11:1.
• this is our God; we have waited for him, Isa. 25:9.
• I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, Isa. 28:16.
• Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Isa. 40:3.
• To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners, Isa. 42:7.
• I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks, Isa. 50:6.
• he was wounded for our transgressions, Isa. 53:5 .
• Redeemer shall come to Zion, Isa. 59:20.
• anointed me to preach good tidings, Isa. 61:1.
• raise unto David a righteous Branch, Jer. 23:5 (33:15).
• I will open your graves, Ezek. 37:12 (Matt. 27:52).
• to make reconciliation for iniquity, Dan. 9:24.
• shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself, Dan. 9:26.
• I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt, Hosea 11:1 (Matt. 2:15).
• I will redeem them from death, Hosea 13:14.
• thou brought up my life from corruption, Jonah 2:6 (2:2–9).
• Beth-lehem … out of thee shall he come forth unto me, Micah 5:2 (Matt. 2:6).
• Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, Hab. 3:13.
• I will bring forth my servant the Branch, Zech. 3:8 (6:12).
• thy King cometh unto thee … riding upon an ass, Zech. 9:9.
• I was prised at … thirty pieces of silver, Zech. 11:13.
• I was wounded in the house of my friends, Zech. 13:6.
• Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, Mal. 3:1 .

The OT prophets did prophecy of the coming of Jesus Christ. The OT is a testament of Jesus Christ.

• her seed … shall bruise thy head, Gen. 3:15 (Rom. 16:20).
• sceptre … until Shiloh come, Gen. 49:10.
• from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel, Gen. 49:24.
• there shall come a Star out of Jacob, Num. 24:17.
• raise up unto thee a Prophet, Deut. 18:15.
• Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee, Ps. 2:7 (2:12).
• my God, why hast thou forsaken me, Ps. 22:1.
• they pierced my hands and my feet, Ps. 22:16.
• Who is this King of glory, Ps. 24:10.
• He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken, Ps. 34:20.
• thou hast led captivity captive, Ps. 68:18.
• zeal of thine house hath eaten me up, Ps. 69:9.
• in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink, Ps. 69:21 (Matt. 27:34, 48).
• priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek, Ps. 110:4.
• stone which the builders refused is become the head, Ps. 118:22 (Matt. 21:42;
• make the horn of David to bud, Ps. 132:17.
• a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son … Immanuel, Isa. 7:14 (Matt. 1:23;
• unto us a child is born, Isa. 9:6 (2 Ne. 19:6).
• there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, Isa. 11:1.
• this is our God; we have waited for him, Isa. 25:9.
• I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, Isa. 28:16.
• Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Isa. 40:3.
• To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners, Isa. 42:7.
• I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks, Isa. 50:6.
• he was wounded for our transgressions, Isa. 53:5 .
• Redeemer shall come to Zion, Isa. 59:20.
• anointed me to preach good tidings, Isa. 61:1.
• raise unto David a righteous Branch, Jer. 23:5 (33:15).
• I will open your graves, Ezek. 37:12 (Matt. 27:52).
• to make reconciliation for iniquity, Dan. 9:24.
• shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself, Dan. 9:26.
• I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt, Hosea 11:1 (Matt. 2:15).
• I will redeem them from death, Hosea 13:14.
• thou brought up my life from corruption, Jonah 2:6 (2:2–9).
• Beth-lehem … out of thee shall he come forth unto me, Micah 5:2 (Matt. 2:6).
• Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, Hab. 3:13.
• I will bring forth my servant the Branch, Zech. 3:8 (6:12).
• thy King cometh unto thee … riding upon an ass, Zech. 9:9.
• I was prised at … thirty pieces of silver, Zech. 11:13.
• I was wounded in the house of my friends, Zech. 13:6.
• Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, Mal. 3:1 .

None of those verses are about Jesus. Have you studied the old testament?

 

[surada]

What do you mean "townies"? ... if the people who living in the towns weren't Bedouin, what were they? ... because Muhammad was born and raised in Mecca ... and as an adult, was a caravan leader from Mecca to Jerusalem ... [smile] ... he married into wealth ...

I think in religious matters, there's no difference between the nomadic herders and the settlements at the wells and oases ... towns and villages if you wish ... we don't have to call Ottumwa a "farming community" ... but it is a community of farmers ...

Okay. Call them villagers. Most Arabs weren't Bedouin. Bedouin made camps seeking water and pasture for their livestock. They traveled with the seasons.

 

[Libby von H]

Most Muslims I have known in the Middle East were familiar with the Bible, but they don't attack it as you attack the Koran.

Child brides were part of the culture. Life expectancy was less than 50 years.

Education has changed that.

If the so-called good Muslims don't condemn the actually horrible Muslims they are complicit.
Isn't Aayan Hirsi Ali right about the general cancer of much of Islam

“My observation is yes, Christianity is different from Islam…The worst thing that a Christian has ever said to me, the rudest thing that a Christian has ever said to me, the thing that made me most uncomfortable that a Christian said to me was ‘I’m going to pray for you. I hope you will be safe. I hope you will be redeemed.’ But within my own family and my own community, when I say I’m in doubt about the Koran and Muhammad and life after death and all that, it is ‘well, you are to die.’ So I just want to point out the differences between the religions…What makes me angry is the moral equivalence.”

 

[irosie91]

Most Muslims I have known in the Middle East were familiar with the Bible, but they don't attack it as you attack the Koran.

try visiting a mosque ---for my fellow amricans--mosques to which Indians and
Pakistanis go----use english--generally

Child brides were part of the culture. Life expectancy was less than 50 years.

chilld brides have nothing to do with the surada definition of "life expectancy"---
"life expectancy 50" does not mean people drop dead at age 49-51. It is an
average and really means lots of babies and kids die and young women died
in childbirth

Education has changed that.

not all that much---of course significantly in progressive type places
like Saudai arabia------not in the remote areas of Iran, Pakistan, Sudan,
Mauritania or even Egypt..... as to Yemen FUHGIT ABOUT IT

 

[surada]

If the so-called good Muslims don't condemn the actually horrible Muslims they are complicit.
Isn't Aayan Hirsi Ali right about the general cancer of much of Islam

“My observation is yes, Christianity is different from Islam…The worst thing that a Christian has ever said to me, the rudest thing that a Christian has ever said to me, the thing that made me most uncomfortable that a Christian said to me was ‘I’m going to pray for you. I hope you will be safe. I hope you will be redeemed.’ But within my own family and my own community, when I say I’m in doubt about the Koran and Muhammad and life after death and all that, it is ‘well, you are to die.’ So I just want to point out the differences between the religions…What makes me angry is the moral equivalence.”

They have condemned Hamas. Hamas is part of Israel's strategy to prevent any 2 state solution ever.

 

[Libby von H]

try visiting a mosque ---for my fellow amricans--mosques to which Indians and
Pakistanis go----use english--generally

chilld brides have nothing to do with the surada definition of "life expectancy"---
"life expectancy 50" does not mean people drop dead at age 49-51. It is an
average and really means lots of babies and kids die and young women died
in childbirth

not all that much---of course significantly in progressive type places
like Saudai arabia------not in the remote areas of Iran, Pakistan, Sudan,
Mauritania or even Egypt..... as to Yemen FUHGIT ABOUT IT

Is everybody forgetting that the child bride, the killing of family members who change religion, the honor killings --- are all religous.

It has been 12 years but I NEVER forgot
Nada al-Ahdal, an 11-year-old Yemeni girl, who escaped an early, arranged marriage, is raising awareness about children and forced marriage.



She is still around and fighting all this nonsense

 

[irosie91]

They have condemned Hamas. Hamas is part of Israel's strategy to prevent any 2 state solution ever.

BS ^^^^^^ islamic reality revisionism. Let me know when muslims world wide
start condemning the events of October 7----especially the IMAMS as a subject for
the weekly KHUTBAH JUMAAT-------I will try to be patient. I am SO reminded of the
islamo-nazi propaganda I read as a child----not only was ADOLF --REALLY A JEW---but
the whole story about (holocaust was not in use back then) the concentration camps
and gassings and mass killings etc etc was a ZIONIST PLOT (back then "zionist" was
already a dirty word) Even the DIARY OF ANNE FRANK was reviled----When the movie
came to our one movie house RIGHT AFTER it was made (because one of the actors
grew up in that town) the locals MADE A STINK

 

[surada]

try visiting a mosque ---for my fellow amricans--mosques to which Indians and
Pakistanis go----use english--generally

chilld brides have nothing to do with the surada definition of "life expectancy"---
"life expectancy 50" does not mean people drop dead at age 49-51. It is an
average and really means lots of babies and kids die and young women died
in childbirth

not all that much---of course significantly in progressive type places
like Saudai arabia------not in the remote areas of Iran, Pakistan, Sudan,
Mauritania or even Egypt..... as to Yemen FUHGIT ABOUT IT

I know what life expectancy means. Lots of people died before old age.

The marriage age goes up in response to prosperity and education.

 

[surada]

Is everybody forgetting that the child bride, the killing of family members who change religion, the honor killings --- are all religous.

It has been 12 years but I NEVER forgot
Nada al-Ahdal, an 11-year-old Yemeni girl, who escaped an early, arranged marriage, is raising awareness about children and forced marriage.



She is still around and fighting all this nonsense

Terrible crime.