what so bad about socialism

[EdwardBaiamonte]

this anti-American Legislation.
.

care to tell us what anti American legislation???????????

 

[Andylusion]

Huh? What the heck are you talking about? The truth is the complete opposite of what you just said, in both cases.

Germany imports more manufactured goods from China, than anywhere else in the world. The only other country they import more from, would be Norway, and that is ONLY because Norway is their primary source of oil and petroleum products.

They import vehicle parts, motorcycles, cars, bikes, trucks and trailers. They import computers and electronic equipment. They import tires and plastic product, medical supplies, and on and on.

And again, they have lower tariffs in Germany, than we do.

So this idea that they are not outsourcing to China, and they are not importing tons of manufactured goods, you are crazy. You are nuts. Not true, not a fact. They are importing TONS from China. Number one trading partner if you exclude oil sources.

Moreover, Germany is actively trying to attract as many immigrant workers as they can, and are specifically targeting high-skilled labor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/w...s-a-booming-germany-woos-immigrants.html?_r=0 high-skilled labor.

Ms. Torres, 24, said she loved living without fear of the violence that was a daily threat in her hometown, Veracruz, Mexico. And Germany, she said, has done much to make her family feel welcome. Her husband, who spoke German before they arrived, is here on a scholarship program that Germany runs to encourage bright foreigners to study in the country. The program entitles Ms. Torres to learn German at no cost and could yield permission for her family to stay for good.​

Look, a Mexican in Germany, specifically because of a program for immigrants to take high-skill jobs.

Do you people just MAKE UP crap, and think none of us will fact jack your lying fifthly posts?

Opinion is one thing... even saying "well I think..." is one thing. But to state the absolute exact opposite of what is true..... cut the crap dude. You are not fooling anyone.

I have conversed with IT people in Germany on Dice.com and they say the NYTs is full of shit.
In term of the New York Slimes, Thomas Freidman will publish anything that makes cheap labor sound good.
In fact, the New York Slimes spent the better part of the 2000s not publishing ANYTHING about inundating the US with a minimal H1-Bs every year.
Let me tell you something, 65,000 visas/year x 14 years IS inundating a nation with cheap labor.
YOU try going into IT now and see how far YOU get.
It's easy to minimize the shit that OTHER people have to deal with.

Even physicians are bitching now that they're being bought out by companies like Pro-Health who fire their US doctors after 2 years.

And yes, there are Neo-Cons in Germany AND Japan who are trying to destroy their Middle Class; I saw thus last year on 60 Minutes.
At least 60 Minutes had the balls to explain that the Neos Cons are trashing a segment of their population to make an extra buck.
Just more greed spreading across the globe.
Wait a few years and they will elect our version of Liberals.

You people... I've poured evidence all over you, and it's like I'm talking to a monkey that only knows how to throw poo.

Ok, you don't like the New York Times?

After introducing the EU blue card for highly skilled workers, engineers and members of other sought-after professions are welcome in Germany if they can show an annual income of at least 35,000 euros.​

Germany's skilled worker shortage is growing | Germany | DW.COM | 04.06.2012

Here's a German paper reporting on the same program.

German business and industry are glad to see the skilled workers. "Due to Germany's aging population, the country needs some 2 million skilled workers from abroad," said Dieter Hundt, president of the German Employers Association. Workers are especially in demand in the technical sector.​

So now what are you going to say?

Some idiot on a forum somewhere: "Yeah I talked to my German IT buddy, and he says all the German papers are crap to. In fact everyone that says anything that doesn't support my made up 'facts', I know a buddy somewhere on the planet that said they were wrong."

Look Indeependent.... Germany has been openly welcoming immigrants for almost a decade. It's a well established fact.

5 Countries That Take the Most Immigrants

Out of all the countries in the entire world...... Germany is number 2, on the list of countries that accept the most immigrants. The US is number 1.

Germany takes more immigrants than any other country in the world, other than us.

You either grow up, and accept that as fact... or you are identifying yourself as too incompetent to debate on this forum.

You can have your opinion about anything, but when you are confronted with absolute undeniable fact, you trying to deny it just makes you ignorant, and childish. Grow up.

I spent over a year listening to Imus in the morning; Imus has Thomas Freidman on at least once a week.
The man is a cheap Labor freak and his paper always touts the "benefits" of massive immigration.
I presume you also believe that Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Carly Fiorina are concerned about the Middle Class from their Presidential Candidate speeches when, in fact, they're are both rabidly in favor of Immigration Reform Bill S744.
Believe what you and others experience, don't believe in MNC Publications or what comes out of someone's mouth.

THIS is what people are experiencing...
Dan Rather Reports - No Thanks for Everything...

So back to the topic of Germany... Germany encourages people to come and work there, takes more immigrants than any other country in the world, other than the US, and has lower protectionism fewer tariffs, and is more free-trade than the US.

And they are the leading economy in the EU.

We've been moving in the opposite direction, and are having the opposite results. I don't need a politician to make a call on that.

Honestly, I have a very low opinion of politicians in general. I don't think any of those people are concerned about anything MORE than they are concerned about winning an election.

Now am I saying all those people you mentioned are lying? I have no idea. I don't know. Some might. Some may not. Beats me. Honestly, I rarely listen to politicians. I don't think I've ever heard Rubio or Cruz speak. I examine the evidence, and make my conclusions from that, not politicians.

So back to your H1-Bs. The Dan Rather Reports, was interesting, and full of crap.

This whiny disgruntled former employee, is pissed off because "Americans need not apply".

How does she know that? Because that's what it said on a job posting in India? Do you not see the problem there? Why would they post a job for Americans..... in India?

Having worked at a company that hired H1-Bs, all of those jobs were in fact posted in America, it's just that they couldn't find someone they really wanted. That's it.

She does not know if those same jobs are posted in the US or not. She's a liar. Perhaps unintentional, but she is wrong.

I also like how she complained about MicroSoft building a shopping and eating area for their employees, which created jobs.... Saying they should not have, because...... why? No logical reason came up. It's also funny that they had a snap shot of the people in the mall, and most were all white faced Americans.

Perceptions... Dan Rather correctly pointed out that it's the perception. That's the key word. Perception. He also points out that most of the Indians at MS are all American citizens. Opps. Fail. Your perception, is just a perception. It's not established fact. "I think 1/3rd of Seattle is Indian immigrants" Fact, only 11% of just the area around Redmond, where MS is, is Indian.

So here's my take on this.

This is my opinion, based on being in the corporate world for decades.

First, this stupid chick in the video, likely was fired because she sucked. The very fact that she has this much time, to sit around checking H1-B visas all day long, complaining about Microsofts Mall, and all this other crap, to me... is clear proof that this chick was a terrible employee. If she was any good, she would have found work someplace, and been busy doing her craft.

My employer has been looking for a high quality software engineer for 2 full years. So far, we've found one single Intern. That's it. And we have been posting these jobs in multiple locations for both of those years. Why did have one guy show up, and he couldn't program tic-tac-toe.

Where are these super amazing programmers that are oh-so-tallented?

So at a different company, they hired an H1-B. He shows up on time. GAH! He does work. GAH! He doesn't go on smoke break, or fart around on Facebook, or Youtube. GAH! And he isn't a jerk! GAH!

We have Americans that have "I'm salary I can do what I want" crap, and they show up at 10:30.... literally they walk in the door at 10:30.

Second, Americans have an entitlement attitude, which is exactly what that Dan Rather video is all about at it's core. We should have those jobs, because we're Americans, and we're entitled. Right? That's basically what that's all about it. We deserve it.

Immigrants don't have that attitude. Which is EXACTLY why they are preferable. And yes, you can fire them. Again, that is EXACTLY why they are preferable.

You fire someone in the US, and you get sued, and dragged to court, to defend your right to get rid of an employee you don't want, and then you get fined for getting rid of an employee you don't want. New York schools and the rubber room. Can't fire them, can't have them teach, so you pay teachers full salary to sit in a room.

It's that mentality that is why this chick in the video was likely terrible, but the company can't say anything because they'll be sued. So she gets to run around on TV, whining about Microsoft, and they can't say anything.

Again, this is EXACTLY why immigrants are preferable. The kick ass American employees, don't have time to be complaining to Dan Rather. They got jobs, because they are in demand. It's the losers that have time to whiny and moan.

See the irony of the entire video, is that it outlined exactly why companies are hiring Immigrants.

I lived it asswipe.
I guess you must agree with Bill Gates that only Indians are competent when it comes to anything.
In other works, you're an asshole.

First off, if I ever gave you the impression that I care what you think of me personally... I apologize. I could not possibly give the least rats butt what you think of me. So your personal attacks are waste of your time. You have to have credibility with someone, before your insults will matter to them. Trust me.

Really. Look, if you change the law, they will simply outsource to those other countries, which many of them already do.

So what benefit is there in this discussion?

If you eliminate H1-B visas, that's fines. They'll just close down some operations here in the US, and outsource those jobs to India or China, or where ever.

You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?

You know, I've been replaced too. I was working for a company, and was doing well... A place I really liked, and they hired on a new guy, I tried the new guy, the new guy was promoted over me, I was moved out, and placed into a lower positions in another department, and eventually laid off.

I did not think "you know they should make a law about that... they should have regulations on that... they should protect my job"

I simply went out and looked for, and found another job. Sometimes I had to take a pay cut. Sometimes, I got a raise. But I've always been able to find work, because I work hard, and I do what is required, and I don't attack former employers, and complain about it.

If that makes me a jerk to you, fine. Other people don't seem to think that way.

As far as Bill Gates... I have no opinion either way. You don't own jack. You don't own Microsoft, or any other company, business, or job of any kind.

You want to own the job? Open your own business. I encourage you to do so. You open your own business, and find out what a nightmare it is to find good help, and how it's even worse to get rid of bad help.

Whatever rule or policy Microsoft puts in place, is their deal. Not mine or yours. We are a nation that supposed to be built on freedom, not dictatorship by the disgruntled.

Back in the 70s, some reporter was interviewing a leading executive of the I think the Tatas company, which was an Indian company, founded by an Indian. The reporter was asking why an Indian company, founded by Indians, had the majority of their employees, in other countries. The executive explained that with all the regulations controlling who was hired, how many were hired, where they were hired from, and that they couldn't outsource to foreign suppliers, the result was Tata had invested in over a dozen different countries, creating jobs and growth around the world, and yet very few jobs in Indian... even though they were founded in India.

This is the reality, no matter what your opinion is. The more laws and regulations you put in place to try and somehow force companies to keep your jobs... the more you will lose those jobs, and never get them back.

 

[Indeependent]

Sure, Andy, let's allow the MNCs to write tons of legislation based upon the unskilled American worker.
And I guess every American who can't get another job ever again will simply move back to their country of origin.
Yes, there IS such a thing as being blacklisted forever.
I worked on Wall Street with brilliant people from all around the world and by late 2004 they were all sent home after replaced by Indian H1-Bs.
When someone is in their 40s or older there's no way they're getting another job and there are thousands of people who can't simply get up and become nomads.
In terms of the deluge, I have encountered dozens of MBAs with failed projects on their hands.
MBAs, though, are lucky; they blame the failures on the programmers.

"You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?"
I live in NYC and haven't had a "Computer" related interview since 2004.
I don't have an Indian name.
I changed careers but spend a good deal of my time programming.
You may ask, "Why?".
Because non-Indians are not allowed to write code.
I sit with my fellow co-workers and literally build systems because the H1-Bs can't get it done but I can't disturb the "Compliant Slave" atmosphere
Unlike the H1-Bs, my projects are released into production.
I understand the business, can communicate with the users and exercise encapsulated coding.
It's a joke.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The more laws and regulations you put in place to try and somehow force companies to keep your jobs... the more you will lose those jobs, and never get them back.

and, if a company cant buy the best and cheapest raw materials and labor in the world, others will, and the company and its country will become second rate, poorer, and then conquered militarily.

 

[Andylusion]

Sure, Andy, let's allow the MNCs to write tons of legislation based upon the unskilled American worker.
And I guess every American who can't get another job ever again will simply move back to their country of origin.
Yes, there IS such a thing as being blacklisted forever.
I worked on Wall Street with brilliant people from all around the world and by late 2004 they were all sent home after replaced by Indian H1-Bs.
When someone is in their 40s or older there's no way they're getting another job and there are thousands of people who can't simply get up and become nomads.
In terms of the deluge, I have encountered dozens of MBAs with failed projects on their hands.
MBAs, though, are lucky; they blame the failures on the programmers.

"You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?"
I live in NYC and haven't had a "Computer" related interview since 2004.
I don't have an Indian name.
I changed careers but spend a good deal of my time programming.
You may ask, "Why?".
Because non-Indians are not allowed to write code.
I sit with my fellow co-workers and literally build systems because the H1-Bs can't get it done but I can't disturb the "Compliant Slave" atmosphere
Unlike the H1-Bs, my projects are released into production.
I understand the business, can communicate with the users and exercise encapsulated coding.
It's a joke.

You say it's because non-indians are not allowed to code. I'm not going to argue with you, on what you think. What I am going to say is that your claim simply doesn't match my experience. Today, I can drive you around to a half dozen companies in the Columbus area alone, that all have well-paid skilled software coders, that are all white faced born bred Americans.

So apparently the claim isn't true.

Now I get that coders and MBAs naturally have an adversarial relationship. MBAs are all about numbers and pushing for speed. Coders are all about haste-makes-waste, and doing it right. I agree with you. While from your perspective, MBAs all have their heads shoved so far up their spreadsheets they can't see beyond a profit margin, the fact is, MBAs see that a late product, that doesn't match a changing market, will fail. Too many failures, and you don't have a company anymore.

I get it. But honestly, that's how the world works. It's no different anywhere.

Now, if you want to do your plan, fine, do your plan. And all the foreigners will go back to their country of origin..... because that's where all the American jobs will go. You will be unemployed.... we'll all be unemployed, and everyone will leave and go back to their home country. We'll be like Venezuela, which lost over a million people who left the country, and the place is in ruins.

Good plan. You sent the foreigners away, by ruining our country. Well done. Any other bright ideas?

 

[Indeependent]

Sure, Andy, let's allow the MNCs to write tons of legislation based upon the unskilled American worker.
And I guess every American who can't get another job ever again will simply move back to their country of origin.
Yes, there IS such a thing as being blacklisted forever.
I worked on Wall Street with brilliant people from all around the world and by late 2004 they were all sent home after replaced by Indian H1-Bs.
When someone is in their 40s or older there's no way they're getting another job and there are thousands of people who can't simply get up and become nomads.
In terms of the deluge, I have encountered dozens of MBAs with failed projects on their hands.
MBAs, though, are lucky; they blame the failures on the programmers.

"You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?"
I live in NYC and haven't had a "Computer" related interview since 2004.
I don't have an Indian name.
I changed careers but spend a good deal of my time programming.
You may ask, "Why?".
Because non-Indians are not allowed to write code.
I sit with my fellow co-workers and literally build systems because the H1-Bs can't get it done but I can't disturb the "Compliant Slave" atmosphere
Unlike the H1-Bs, my projects are released into production.
I understand the business, can communicate with the users and exercise encapsulated coding.
It's a joke.

You say it's because non-indians are not allowed to code. I'm not going to argue with you, on what you think. What I am going to say is that your claim simply doesn't match my experience. Today, I can drive you around to a half dozen companies in the Columbus area alone, that all have well-paid skilled software coders, that are all white faced born bred Americans.

So apparently the claim isn't true.

Now I get that coders and MBAs naturally have an adversarial relationship. MBAs are all about numbers and pushing for speed. Coders are all about haste-makes-waste, and doing it right. I agree with you. While from your perspective, MBAs all have their heads shoved so far up their spreadsheets they can't see beyond a profit margin, the fact is, MBAs see that a late product, that doesn't match a changing market, will fail. Too many failures, and you don't have a company anymore.

I get it. But honestly, that's how the world works. It's no different anywhere.

Now, if you want to do your plan, fine, do your plan. And all the foreigners will go back to their country of origin..... because that's where all the American jobs will go. You will be unemployed.... we'll all be unemployed, and everyone will leave and go back to their home country. We'll be like Venezuela, which lost over a million people who left the country, and the place is in ruins.

Good plan. You sent the foreigners away, by ruining our country. Well done. Any other bright ideas?

The plan is already in action...Computer and Information Science is disappearing from many University Curriculums.
I am glad young people are not being fooled into investing time and money into a losing proposition.
The real issue is that the MNC "Non-Skilled American" rational behind IT is now permeating other fields, such as Medicine.
When a Health Corporation, such as Pro-Health, buys a Medical Practice, the Physicians are given a 2 year contract.
I know of 11 Physicians in my town in their mid 40s to mid 50s who are already unemployed.
Yes, they were replaced by Indian Physicians who were willing to work for considerably less money.
They cannot get another position because they are over-qualified for everything else.

So when Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz go along with their fellow members of Congress and declare all Americans unskilled for 21st Century jobs, such as in Senate Bill S744, don't be shocked when we have Democrat Presidents forever.

The fact that you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators says a lot about you.
Fortunately, Trump and Sanders disagree with you.

 

[Andylusion]

Sure, Andy, let's allow the MNCs to write tons of legislation based upon the unskilled American worker.
And I guess every American who can't get another job ever again will simply move back to their country of origin.
Yes, there IS such a thing as being blacklisted forever.
I worked on Wall Street with brilliant people from all around the world and by late 2004 they were all sent home after replaced by Indian H1-Bs.
When someone is in their 40s or older there's no way they're getting another job and there are thousands of people who can't simply get up and become nomads.
In terms of the deluge, I have encountered dozens of MBAs with failed projects on their hands.
MBAs, though, are lucky; they blame the failures on the programmers.

"You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?"
I live in NYC and haven't had a "Computer" related interview since 2004.
I don't have an Indian name.
I changed careers but spend a good deal of my time programming.
You may ask, "Why?".
Because non-Indians are not allowed to write code.
I sit with my fellow co-workers and literally build systems because the H1-Bs can't get it done but I can't disturb the "Compliant Slave" atmosphere
Unlike the H1-Bs, my projects are released into production.
I understand the business, can communicate with the users and exercise encapsulated coding.
It's a joke.

You say it's because non-indians are not allowed to code. I'm not going to argue with you, on what you think. What I am going to say is that your claim simply doesn't match my experience. Today, I can drive you around to a half dozen companies in the Columbus area alone, that all have well-paid skilled software coders, that are all white faced born bred Americans.

So apparently the claim isn't true.

Now I get that coders and MBAs naturally have an adversarial relationship. MBAs are all about numbers and pushing for speed. Coders are all about haste-makes-waste, and doing it right. I agree with you. While from your perspective, MBAs all have their heads shoved so far up their spreadsheets they can't see beyond a profit margin, the fact is, MBAs see that a late product, that doesn't match a changing market, will fail. Too many failures, and you don't have a company anymore.

I get it. But honestly, that's how the world works. It's no different anywhere.

Now, if you want to do your plan, fine, do your plan. And all the foreigners will go back to their country of origin..... because that's where all the American jobs will go. You will be unemployed.... we'll all be unemployed, and everyone will leave and go back to their home country. We'll be like Venezuela, which lost over a million people who left the country, and the place is in ruins.

Good plan. You sent the foreigners away, by ruining our country. Well done. Any other bright ideas?

The plan is already in action...Computer and Information Science is disappearing from many University Curriculums.
I am glad young people are not being fooled into investing time and money into a losing proposition.
The real issue is that the MNC "Non-Skilled American" rational behind IT is now permeating other fields, such as Medicine.
When a Health Corporation, such as Pro-Health, buys a Medical Practice, the Physicians are given a 2 year contract.
I know of 11 Physicians in my town in their mid 40s to mid 50s who are already unemployed.
Yes, they were replaced by Indian Physicians who were willing to work for considerably less money.
They cannot get another position because they are over-qualified for everything else.

So when Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz go along with their fellow members of Congress and declare all Americans unskilled for 21st Century jobs, such as in Senate Bill S744, don't be shocked when we have Democrat Presidents forever.

The fact that you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators says a lot about you.
Fortunately, Trump and Sanders disagree with you.

A losing proposition? Are you crazy?

The average salary for a computer programmer is $78K a year. That's the average.

No, the reason some CIS courses are being dropped is because it's just too hard for whiny brat Americans. They would rather take "art history" and "Music therapy".

If that's your plan, then you are succeeding.. But why are you complaining that you are getting the results you want? Why complain that companies are hiring skilled foreign labor, when you are encouraging American labor to be stupid?

You people on the left never make any sense. Constant contradictions.

That's why you just make up crap. You have no real argument, so you just make up "you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators". No one said that, but you don't have any other argument, so you have to just fabricate accusations.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We are left with Corporate Fascism.

you mean liberal corporate fascism since they support Obamacare for example, wherein the govt and business become one.

See why we are positive that a liberal or independent will be 100% ignorant??

I guess we agree that there are no real conservatives in government.

Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Tea Party, etc etc

Bought and sold by MNCs to import cheap, unqualified labor.
You wouldn't know this because you're not an engineer or a scientist who has had to work with the clowns from India.

About Us - Tea Party
Read the Tea Pasty's 15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs #2; I know it's going to kill you.

dear, if you are opposed to conservatism please say why or admit you lack the IQ to be here

The dumbest poster on the board, talking about IQ......ironic.

 

[Indeependent]

Sure, Andy, let's allow the MNCs to write tons of legislation based upon the unskilled American worker.
And I guess every American who can't get another job ever again will simply move back to their country of origin.
Yes, there IS such a thing as being blacklisted forever.
I worked on Wall Street with brilliant people from all around the world and by late 2004 they were all sent home after replaced by Indian H1-Bs.
When someone is in their 40s or older there's no way they're getting another job and there are thousands of people who can't simply get up and become nomads.
In terms of the deluge, I have encountered dozens of MBAs with failed projects on their hands.
MBAs, though, are lucky; they blame the failures on the programmers.

"You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?"
I live in NYC and haven't had a "Computer" related interview since 2004.
I don't have an Indian name.
I changed careers but spend a good deal of my time programming.
You may ask, "Why?".
Because non-Indians are not allowed to write code.
I sit with my fellow co-workers and literally build systems because the H1-Bs can't get it done but I can't disturb the "Compliant Slave" atmosphere
Unlike the H1-Bs, my projects are released into production.
I understand the business, can communicate with the users and exercise encapsulated coding.
It's a joke.

You say it's because non-indians are not allowed to code. I'm not going to argue with you, on what you think. What I am going to say is that your claim simply doesn't match my experience. Today, I can drive you around to a half dozen companies in the Columbus area alone, that all have well-paid skilled software coders, that are all white faced born bred Americans.

So apparently the claim isn't true.

Now I get that coders and MBAs naturally have an adversarial relationship. MBAs are all about numbers and pushing for speed. Coders are all about haste-makes-waste, and doing it right. I agree with you. While from your perspective, MBAs all have their heads shoved so far up their spreadsheets they can't see beyond a profit margin, the fact is, MBAs see that a late product, that doesn't match a changing market, will fail. Too many failures, and you don't have a company anymore.

I get it. But honestly, that's how the world works. It's no different anywhere.

Now, if you want to do your plan, fine, do your plan. And all the foreigners will go back to their country of origin..... because that's where all the American jobs will go. You will be unemployed.... we'll all be unemployed, and everyone will leave and go back to their home country. We'll be like Venezuela, which lost over a million people who left the country, and the place is in ruins.

Good plan. You sent the foreigners away, by ruining our country. Well done. Any other bright ideas?

The plan is already in action...Computer and Information Science is disappearing from many University Curriculums.
I am glad young people are not being fooled into investing time and money into a losing proposition.
The real issue is that the MNC "Non-Skilled American" rational behind IT is now permeating other fields, such as Medicine.
When a Health Corporation, such as Pro-Health, buys a Medical Practice, the Physicians are given a 2 year contract.
I know of 11 Physicians in my town in their mid 40s to mid 50s who are already unemployed.
Yes, they were replaced by Indian Physicians who were willing to work for considerably less money.
They cannot get another position because they are over-qualified for everything else.

So when Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz go along with their fellow members of Congress and declare all Americans unskilled for 21st Century jobs, such as in Senate Bill S744, don't be shocked when we have Democrat Presidents forever.

The fact that you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators says a lot about you.
Fortunately, Trump and Sanders disagree with you.

A losing proposition? Are you crazy?

The average salary for a computer programmer is $78K a year. That's the average.

No, the reason some CIS courses are being dropped is because it's just too hard for whiny brat Americans. They would rather take "art history" and "Music therapy".

If that's your plan, then you are succeeding.. But why are you complaining that you are getting the results you want? Why complain that companies are hiring skilled foreign labor, when you are encouraging American labor to be stupid?

You people on the left never make any sense. Constant contradictions.

That's why you just make up crap. You have no real argument, so you just make up "you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators". No one said that, but you don't have any other argument, so you have to just fabricate accusations.

78K...been hearing that since 2004.

Of course you don't actually know anybody who's in the field.
I guess you believe everything you read.

Most of the kids I know are going to Medical or Dental school, PT, OT and Electrical and Mechanical Engineering
Their parents have already gone through the IT debacle by losing their careers or by hiring H1-Bs themselves as most of my town is comprised of business owners.

Computer Programming is a joke compared to real science.
Lets's be honest, do you need an advanced degree in math to build this site?
99% of Analysis, Design and Programming is NOT Rocket Science.
What is does require is the ability to understand the business, how to create entities and Relationships between them and create code that represents encapulated business ideas.
H1-Bs suck at all 3 which is why most of the Apps I use are better than the garbage used internally by most large companies.
I have shown my friends who are Accountants, Attorneys and Mortgage Brokers Job descriptions for the most mundane programming position and the requirements are longer than War & Peace.
Ridiculous.

 

[Indeependent]

Sure, Andy, let's allow the MNCs to write tons of legislation based upon the unskilled American worker.
And I guess every American who can't get another job ever again will simply move back to their country of origin.
Yes, there IS such a thing as being blacklisted forever.
I worked on Wall Street with brilliant people from all around the world and by late 2004 they were all sent home after replaced by Indian H1-Bs.
When someone is in their 40s or older there's no way they're getting another job and there are thousands of people who can't simply get up and become nomads.
In terms of the deluge, I have encountered dozens of MBAs with failed projects on their hands.
MBAs, though, are lucky; they blame the failures on the programmers.

"You are telling me that you have extensive experience, and skills, with a flawless record, and plenty of people who would vouch for you, and no one anywhere in the country would hire you, because all of them had H1-Bs? Really.... you checked, and no one would... anywhere?"
I live in NYC and haven't had a "Computer" related interview since 2004.
I don't have an Indian name.
I changed careers but spend a good deal of my time programming.
You may ask, "Why?".
Because non-Indians are not allowed to write code.
I sit with my fellow co-workers and literally build systems because the H1-Bs can't get it done but I can't disturb the "Compliant Slave" atmosphere
Unlike the H1-Bs, my projects are released into production.
I understand the business, can communicate with the users and exercise encapsulated coding.
It's a joke.

You say it's because non-indians are not allowed to code. I'm not going to argue with you, on what you think. What I am going to say is that your claim simply doesn't match my experience. Today, I can drive you around to a half dozen companies in the Columbus area alone, that all have well-paid skilled software coders, that are all white faced born bred Americans.

So apparently the claim isn't true.

Now I get that coders and MBAs naturally have an adversarial relationship. MBAs are all about numbers and pushing for speed. Coders are all about haste-makes-waste, and doing it right. I agree with you. While from your perspective, MBAs all have their heads shoved so far up their spreadsheets they can't see beyond a profit margin, the fact is, MBAs see that a late product, that doesn't match a changing market, will fail. Too many failures, and you don't have a company anymore.

I get it. But honestly, that's how the world works. It's no different anywhere.

Now, if you want to do your plan, fine, do your plan. And all the foreigners will go back to their country of origin..... because that's where all the American jobs will go. You will be unemployed.... we'll all be unemployed, and everyone will leave and go back to their home country. We'll be like Venezuela, which lost over a million people who left the country, and the place is in ruins.

Good plan. You sent the foreigners away, by ruining our country. Well done. Any other bright ideas?

The plan is already in action...Computer and Information Science is disappearing from many University Curriculums.
I am glad young people are not being fooled into investing time and money into a losing proposition.
The real issue is that the MNC "Non-Skilled American" rational behind IT is now permeating other fields, such as Medicine.
When a Health Corporation, such as Pro-Health, buys a Medical Practice, the Physicians are given a 2 year contract.
I know of 11 Physicians in my town in their mid 40s to mid 50s who are already unemployed.
Yes, they were replaced by Indian Physicians who were willing to work for considerably less money.
They cannot get another position because they are over-qualified for everything else.

So when Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz go along with their fellow members of Congress and declare all Americans unskilled for 21st Century jobs, such as in Senate Bill S744, don't be shocked when we have Democrat Presidents forever.

The fact that you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators says a lot about you.
Fortunately, Trump and Sanders disagree with you.

A losing proposition? Are you crazy?

The average salary for a computer programmer is $78K a year. That's the average.

No, the reason some CIS courses are being dropped is because it's just too hard for whiny brat Americans. They would rather take "art history" and "Music therapy".

If that's your plan, then you are succeeding.. But why are you complaining that you are getting the results you want? Why complain that companies are hiring skilled foreign labor, when you are encouraging American labor to be stupid?

You people on the left never make any sense. Constant contradictions.

That's why you just make up crap. You have no real argument, so you just make up "you believe contributors have the right to act as de facto legislators". No one said that, but you don't have any other argument, so you have to just fabricate accusations.

I told you why I complain...
One profession after another is currently being assaulted.
Read S744 before you post...10 professions x 160,000 a year.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

H1-Bs suck at all 3 .

if so no one would be hiring them in a free market!

 

[Indeependent]

H1-Bs suck at all 3 .

if so no one would be hiring them in a free market!

Thanks for admitting Totalitarianism works.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

H1-Bs suck at all 3 .

if so no one would be hiring them in a free market!

Thanks for admitting Totalitarianism works.

what????????

 

[Indeependent]

H1-Bs suck at all 3 .

if so no one would be hiring them in a free market!

Thanks for admitting Totalitarianism works.

what????????

You are obviously too much of a pussy to explicitly state that you are of the opinion that China is a Democracy.
What is China?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You are obviously too much of a pussy to explicitly state that you are of the opinion that China is a Democracy.

dear stupid liberal, so far as I know no one, including me, is of the opinion that China is a democracy.
Do you understand??

 

[Indeependent]

You are obviously too much of a pussy to explicitly state that you are of the opinion that China is a Democracy.

dear stupid liberal, so far as I know no one, including me, is of the opinion that China is a democracy.
Do you understand??

Answer the question in the other thread.

 

[danielpalos]

bad management can be a problem with socialism.

 

[Indeependent]

bad management can be a problem with socialism.

To be honest, bad management and greed IS a problem with Socialism

 

[danielpalos]

bad management can be a problem with socialism.

To be honest, bad management and greed IS a problem with Socialism

yes. Socialism merely requires social morals for free; that is why capitalists, don't get it.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

This is a Socialist speaking. This is Democratic Socialism. What Sanders to decrying is oligarchy and the death of democracy and the middle class in America. A question to those who are not filthy rich.....Who would really serve you and the country better, Sanders or any one of the Republican candidates?

Bernie Sanders Blows Up The Koch Publicity Tour With A Ten Megaton Truth Bomb Bernie Sanders Blows Up The Koch Publicity Tour With A Ten Megaton Truth Bomb

HAYES: That’s Charles Koch expressing his commitment to ending corporate welfare. Do you buy that, Senator?

SANDERS: Making life for people better – no doubt. Look, in 1980, Chris – and we don’t talk about this enough – David Koch ran for vice president of the United States on the libertarian party’s ticket. What his agenda was was not to cut Social Security or Medicare, but to end Social Security, end Medicare, end Medicaid, end the EPA, end the concept of the Environmental Protection Agency. Basically, he wanted to eliminate virtually every program developed since FDR designed to help working people end the middle class. That is their agenda. And to tell you the truth, you know, 30 years have come and gone. I don’t think that agenda has changed at all. What these guys are doing is spending unbelievable sums of money, from $900 million on this campaign cycle, to support right-wing candidates for going to war. Big-time against working families and the middle class. No, I do not think the Koch brothers want to make life better for ordinary people.

On the floor of the Senate, Senate Minority Leader Reid said: