What should the GOP do now?

[Truthmatters]

they were the best you had.

tell us someone who was running that would have gotten more votes

Romney should have went after Obama like he went after Newt. Dems would have had to work overtime to manufacture enough votes for Obama to win

he did you idiot.

it didnt work

 

[tjvh]

when have you EVER turned out to be correct in a prediction on the effects of a policy?


being stupid and wrong all the time is not a badge of honor you fool

Would you care to link to ANY instance of me being incorrect predicting the effects of a policy? If there is one thing that I hold dear at USMB it is honesty... And you my pea-brained liberal friend are being decidedly dishonest. I await your response, and your link to my words... Or are you just going to admit that you are a fucking lying bitch rather than prove the unprovable?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/235613-predict-how-long-before.html

now go get some proof you were ever right on your predictions

And the only thing I got wrong was Monday because the anti-gun media attacks kicked in much sooner than that you fucking numbskull. Try again.

 

[tjvh]

they were the best you had.

tell us someone who was running that would have gotten more votes

Romney should have went after Obama like he went after Newt. Dems would have had to work overtime to manufacture enough votes for Obama to win

he did you idiot.

it didnt work

It didn't work because you Welfare takers now outnumber those who actually do contribute to society.

 

[Mac1958]

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Why would a Democrat care if the GOP survives or crashes & burns? Lefty columnist Jonathan Capeheart puts it well:

In sports, a team gets better and stronger by competing against equal or better teams. In politics, such competition leads to better ideas and policies that are vital to governing the nation. Democrats might not want to hear it, but they need a strong Republican Party. But if the GOP stays on its current trajectory, both parties and the nation will be worse off.

Not that anyone in the GOP believes this.

I’m worried about the GOP - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

 

[g5000]

Romney should have went after Obama like he went after Newt. Dems would have had to work overtime to manufacture enough votes for Obama to win

he did you idiot.

it didnt work

It didn't work because you Welfare takers now outnumber those who actually do contribute to society.

Keep telling yourself that untruth, and keep losing.

The GOP is ideologically bankrupt and overrun with idiots, liars, hypocrites, bigots, and maniacs.

THAT is why it lost.

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[CrusaderFrank]

they were the best you had.

tell us someone who was running that would have gotten more votes

Romney should have went after Obama like he went after Newt. Dems would have had to work overtime to manufacture enough votes for Obama to win

he did you idiot.

it didnt work

uh huh

Sure he did

Never mentioned Fast and Furious, the lying Benghazi Video, Biden's burying the Middle Class and so on and so on

Romney bought the Moderate Koolaid that firing up the base is wrong because it only means that they will pull the lever extra hard, it won't bring voters out because for that we have to appeal to the lazy, confused and knuckleheaded Moderates

 

[WillowTree]

Quit. Let the dems finish off the country then dust off the us constitution and start again.

Exactly. The Republicans should step back and watch the Democrats go. The quicker we reach bottom the better it will be.

 

[WillowTree]

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Why would a Democrat care if the GOP survives or crashes & burns? Lefty columnist Jonathan Capeheart puts it well:

In sports, a team gets better and stronger by competing against equal or better teams. In politics, such competition leads to better ideas and policies that are vital to governing the nation. Democrats might not want to hear it, but they need a strong Republican Party. But if the GOP stays on its current trajectory, both parties and the nation will be worse off.

Not that anyone in the GOP believes this.

I’m worried about the GOP - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

I don't believe for a moment that the democraps are better, they just cheat better. bamie won ugly. very ugly.

 

[g5000]

The GOP needs to start taking out the trash.

The bigots, they have to go.

The piss drinkers, take them to the curb for morning pickup.

The liars, up against the wall.

The hypocrites, flush 'em like the turds they are.


Our Republican leadership paying lip service to Republican principles does far worse damage to the souls of the people who inhabit this great nation than not having any principles at all. It is turning their followers into morons without a grain of truth or historical memory in their heads. The sooner the GOP figures that out, the more quickly we get America where it should be.

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[Mr. Shaman]

What should the GOP do now?

Lumber back into their caves & keep workin' on that Evolution-thing.....

 

[Mac1958]

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Five pages into this thread, and I don't see any thoughtful, civil, mature answers to my direct, sincere question.

Is that an answer in itself?

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[LoneLaugher]

Romney should have went after Obama like he went after Newt. Dems would have had to work overtime to manufacture enough votes for Obama to win

he did you idiot.

it didnt work

uh huh

Sure he did

Never mentioned Fast and Furious, the lying Benghazi Video, Biden's burying the Middle Class and so on and so on

Romney bought the Moderate Koolaid that firing up the base is wrong because it only means that they will pull the lever extra hard, it won't bring voters out because for that we have to appeal to the lazy, confused and knuckleheaded Moderates

The Romney campaign mentioned all of those things. You are in the bubble and didn't hear it. Romney is seen as a mean-spirited shape shifter by enough voters to force him to lose in a landslide.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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Five pages into this thread, and I don't see any thoughtful, civil, mature answers to my direct, sincere question.

Is that an answer in itself?

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I don't know about you, but the most interesting thing I took from this discussion is that nutters here really think that there is nothing to learn from the results of that election. They think you are trying to trick them in some way by suggesting that they do a little reflection.

 

[JoeB131]

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It looks like the Republicans don't want to hear from Independents, Moderates or Democrats on how to proceed after losing an election to a President presiding over an 8% unemployment rate, and after being unable to come close to re-taking the Senate.

Okay, fair enough, it's your party.

So what should the GOP do going forward? And in your response, I'd love to see attention given to the following facts:

• America's demographics are changing rapidly
• The Dems essentially own the minority vote
• Only 45% of Catholics voted for "pro-life" Romney
• Abortion continues to be an important issue
• Many in the party absolutely refuse to budge on taxes or abortion
• Many Republicans are blaming a stupid populace for their loss

So, given the above, what's the plan to re-take the White House, to move America in a more conservative direction? Precisely?

Serious responses, please.

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Mac, judging by the responses you've gotten, I think they are still in the "Denial" and "Anger" stages of grief, not the bargaining and acceptance stages.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[JoeB131]

Quit. Let the dems finish off the country then dust off the us constitution and start again.

Exactly. The Republicans should step back and watch the Democrats go. The quicker we reach bottom the better it will be.

But what if we get there and most people decide they like European style socialism?

I mean, shit, Cameron and Merkel know that there are things they just can't touch in their countries, even if they call themselves conservatives.

 

[Mac1958]

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It looks like the Republicans don't want to hear from Independents, Moderates or Democrats on how to proceed after losing an election to a President presiding over an 8% unemployment rate, and after being unable to come close to re-taking the Senate.

Okay, fair enough, it's your party.

So what should the GOP do going forward? And in your response, I'd love to see attention given to the following facts:

• America's demographics are changing rapidly
• The Dems essentially own the minority vote
• Only 45% of Catholics voted for "pro-life" Romney
• Abortion continues to be an important issue
• Many in the party absolutely refuse to budge on taxes or abortion
• Many Republicans are blaming a stupid populace for their loss

So, given the above, what's the plan to re-take the White House, to move America in a more conservative direction? Precisely?

Serious responses, please.

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Mac, judging by the responses you've gotten, I think they are still in the "Denial" and "Anger" stages of grief, not the bargaining and acceptance stages.

Too soon, huh?

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[SnagNasty]

The right needs to kick the Christian Fundamentalist radicals out. That would be a good start. The ones that have tricked their followers in believing abortion, gay marriage, socialism, east coast intellectuals are the real culprits. They need to rid themselves of thinking “If we just vote on these issues, we'll prosper. Jobs will come back from overseas and the debt will be paid.”

 

[BillyV]

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It looks like the Republicans don't want to hear from Independents, Moderates or Democrats on how to proceed after losing an election to a President presiding over an 8% unemployment rate, and after being unable to come close to re-taking the Senate.

Okay, fair enough, it's your party.

So what should the GOP do going forward? And in your response, I'd love to see attention given to the following facts:

• America's demographics are changing rapidly
• The Dems essentially own the minority vote
• Only 45% of Catholics voted for "pro-life" Romney
• Abortion continues to be an important issue
• Many in the party absolutely refuse to budge on taxes or abortion
• Many Republicans are blaming a stupid populace for their loss

So, given the above, what's the plan to re-take the White House, to move America in a more conservative direction? Precisely?

Serious responses, please.

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You know, there’s an awful lot of hand-wringing going on over an election that the Democrats won by a 3% margin (50.8% to 47.5%, approximately). In order to be an effective opposition party, the Republicans can change little of their platform. When you say the “demographics” are changing, presumably you mean racial demographics; the reason the Democrats own the minority vote is by effective fear-mongering. The Republicans should tone down the “nativist” rhetoric, but can’t really compete for the “amnesty” vote, and shouldn’t try. If they can’t convince minorities (mainly Hispanics; the black vote was lost long ago) that the path to the left is destructive to them or that the path to the right better serves their interest, then pandering won’t help; the left are the masters of that. Also, appealing to voters looking for entitlement spending does not fit with the conservative message (as opposed to a “hand up, not a hand out”, which does); probably why 70% of voters with income less than $30,000 went for Obama. Abortion is an important issue, but it is as important to the right as it is to the left; the only way to moderate that would be to convince voters that there is no way to repeal Roe v Wade (which realistically there isn’t); to ask them not to speak their conscience on abortion issues would alienate a major constituency, and is not a winning strategy.

That leaves taxes. It was embarrassing to see all of the Republican primary candidates lined up and not willing, under any circumstances (even a 10-1 spending to revenue ratio) to raise taxes. Tax policy is not a principle; it is situational. Under certain circumstances, taxes must go up; under others, they can be reduced. In this cycle, they must go up, and the Democrats were able to make the “We want to increase taxes but don’t worry, they won’t affect you” argument effectively. However, I don’t believe that was devastating to the right; the left already owns the class warfare card (to be played immediately after or in conjunction with the race card). Basically, the Republicans have to get back to advocating for conservative principles without the angry rhetoric.

They ran a perfectly attractive candidate in Mitt Romney, flawed in some ways (Who isn’t?) but with absolutely the ideal credentials for this election cycle (imho); a man with business acumen and turnaround experience who promised to turn on the potential of the American economy. Unfortunately, he didn’t spend enough time discussing specifics and so was vulnerable to claims from the left that he couldn’t make it work, and he really didn’t use Paul Ryan as effectively as he could have for fear (or so it seemed) that the electorate would see him as too far right. Why choose him if you’re going to distance yourself from everything he stands for? And he ceded the third debate to the president presumably to show he wasn’t really the hawk that he had been portraying throughout the rest of the campaign. I think he was playing it safe based upon a flawed analysis of polling data.

In any case, I think reports of the demise of the GOP are greatly exaggerated.

 

[Old Rocks]

Here's an idea.
Let the GOP figure out what they need to do, on their own. Liberals don't need to give advice or pointers.

A lot of conservatives are actually pretty intelligent. They'll figure it out.

Yes, there are some intelligent conservatives. They are currently called RINOs and not allowed to speak to the party.

This is the GOP's problem. They will have to solve it themselves. In the meantime, should they drive out people like Huntsman and Christie, well, we have a big tent.