CDZ What is White Privilege?

[LoneLaugher]

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

You're about to get it. The church of "White Privilege" loves arguments such as the one you just presented.

Since we have affirmative action, in some circumstances there is Black Privilege. It is well documented that many universities will accept Blacks with poorer acedemic records than the acedemic records of other races in the interest of diversity. Thus, in theses circumstances Blacks are privileged as other races are discriminated against.

Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Publius1787]

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

You're about to get it. The church of "White Privilege" loves arguments such as the one you just presented.

Since we have affirmative action, in some circumstances there is Black Privilege. It is well documented that many universities will accept Blacks with poorer acedemic records than the acedemic records of other races in the interest of diversity. Thus, in theses circumstances Blacks are privileged as other races are discriminated against.

Indeed. I'm starting to understand why so many of the church of "white privilege" can't understand my argument.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the behavior and whose behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

I thought the idea of "white privilege" was kinda like the Catholic church. They want you to think your a sinner with all this unearned indulgence of sin and they want you to realize and confess every now and then that you are sinner so as to grant them a feel good purpose in life that its not their fault so as to justify further unaccomplishments.

Not at all.

I guess this brings me to a major question I haven't thought of. What is the intended actionable consequence of teaching people about "white privilege?"

Awareness. Further minimizing it. Realizing an America where the black kid doesn't have to deal with it. Simple stuff.

 

[Publius1787]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the behavior and whose behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

I thought the idea of "white privilege" was kinda like the Catholic church. They want you to think your a sinner with all this unearned indulgence of sin and they want you to realize and confess every now and then that you are sinner so as to grant them a feel good purpose in life that its not their fault so as to justify further unaccomplishments.

Not at all.

I guess this brings me to a major question I haven't thought of. What is the intended actionable consequence of teaching people about "white privilege?"

Awareness. Further minimizing it. Realizing an America where the black kid doesn't have to deal with it. Simple stuff.

How do we minimalize it? That's an actionable statement. What, we try convince enough white people to buy the "white privilege" doctrine and they suddenly "change" their ways? Is that the goal? How specifically should they "change" their ways?

 

[Yarddog]

I bought a 1 gallon can of white privilage at Kelly Moore Paints and painted my bathroom with it yesterday. The color changed after it dried and I was a bit dissapointed. Think Ill go over it with something a little more Off-white.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the behavior and whose behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

I thought the idea of "white privilege" was kinda like the Catholic church. They want you to think your a sinner with all this unearned indulgence of sin and they want you to realize and confess every now and then that you are sinner so as to grant them a feel good purpose in life that its not their fault so as to justify further unaccomplishments.

Not at all.

I guess this brings me to a major question I haven't thought of. What is the intended actionable consequence of teaching people about "white privilege?"

to make such actions as what goes on in the black community acceptable. To lower the standard into the ground as we can't speak out about it without being seen as the evil ones.

The left wants to destroy this country...They hate it.

 

[Publius1787]

I bought a 1 gallon can of white privilage at Kelly Moore Paints and painted my bathroom with it yesterday. The color changed after it dried and I was a bit dissapointed. Think Ill go over it with something a little more Off-white.

You need more paint diversity. It will make the other paints more harmonious.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

If my actions change because of your irrational behavior the fault for the consequences of my behavior lies with no one other than myself. What the idea of "White Privilege" aims to accomplish is to grant others an excuse to blame whites for their irrational behavior. Just because whites exercise better self control than blacks does not make them privileged. Likewise, the lack of self control in the black community cannot be blamed on whites. "White privilege" is nothing other than a means to ignore black personal responsibility and convey that lack of personal responsibility as someone else's fault.

No. But that sure makes Matthew's leg tingle a bit.

You haven't spent much time discussing the article I posted earlier. Maybe you missed it. Here it is again.

I taught my black kids that their elite upbringing would protect them from discrimination. I was wrong. - The Washington Post

Give it a read. See if you have ever dealt with any of that. That dude isn't looking for excuses. Is he?

 

[JoeMoma]

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I bought a 1 gallon can of white privilage at Kelly Moore Paints and painted my bathroom with it yesterday. The color changed after it dried and I was a bit dissapointed. Think Ill go over it with something a little more Off-white.

You need more paint diversity. It will make the other paints more harmonious.

There we go! All pretense aside.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

Well...I have. I have experienced being followed around a department store by staff who believed that I might steal something. Often. I was denied entry to a golf course once. I was singled out by an employer and denied the opportunity to receive part of my compensation in stock options. It hindered my advancement.

 

[JoeMoma]

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

Well...I have. I have experienced being followed around a department store by staff who believed that I might steal something. Often. I was denied entry to a golf course once. I was singled out by an employer and denied the opportunity to receive part of my compensation in stock options. It hindered my advancement.

What culture was that?

 

[Publius1787]

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

If my actions change because of your irrational behavior the fault for the consequences of my behavior lies with no one other than myself. What the idea of "White Privilege" aims to accomplish is to grant others an excuse to blame whites for their irrational behavior. Just because whites exercise better self control than blacks does not make them privileged. Likewise, the lack of self control in the black community cannot be blamed on whites. "White privilege" is nothing other than a means to ignore black personal responsibility and convey that lack of personal responsibility as someone else's fault.

No. But that sure makes Matthew's leg tingle a bit.

You haven't spent much time discussing the article I posted earlier. Maybe you missed it. Here it is again.

I taught my black kids that their elite upbringing would protect them from discrimination. I was wrong. - The Washington Post

Give it a read. See if you have ever dealt with any of that. That dude isn't looking for excuses. Is he?

I have dealt with much of that growing up in a black neighborhood. However, The words didn't hurt me. It was being beat to the ground by multiples of blacks who were understandably upset when I refused to allow them to sexually assault my 9 year old sister. But that is just one of a whole host of stories I could tell ya.




That aside, Whites do something similar. The Talk Nonblack Version - Taki s Magazine

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

Well...I have. I have experienced being followed around a department store by staff who believed that I might steal something. Often. I was denied entry to a golf course once. I was singled out by an employer and denied the opportunity to receive part of my compensation in stock options. It hindered my advancement.

What culture was that?

Japan. Late 1980's and early 90's.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

If my actions change because of your irrational behavior the fault for the consequences of my behavior lies with no one other than myself. What the idea of "White Privilege" aims to accomplish is to grant others an excuse to blame whites for their irrational behavior. Just because whites exercise better self control than blacks does not make them privileged. Likewise, the lack of self control in the black community cannot be blamed on whites. "White privilege" is nothing other than a means to ignore black personal responsibility and convey that lack of personal responsibility as someone else's fault.

No. But that sure makes Matthew's leg tingle a bit.

You haven't spent much time discussing the article I posted earlier. Maybe you missed it. Here it is again.

I taught my black kids that their elite upbringing would protect them from discrimination. I was wrong. - The Washington Post

Give it a read. See if you have ever dealt with any of that. That dude isn't looking for excuses. Is he?

I have dealt with much of that growing up in a black neighborhood. However, The words didn't hurt me. It was being beat to the ground by multiples of blacks who were understandably upset when I refused to allow them to sexually assault my 9 year old sister. But that is just one of a whole host of stories I could tell ya.




That aside, Whites do something similar.

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.

Weeeeeeeeeeeee! Time for everyone to take that shit now, folks. We've hit the mother lode!

 

[JoeMoma]

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

Well...I have. I have experienced being followed around a department store by staff who believed that I might steal something. Often. I was denied entry to a golf course once. I was singled out by an employer and denied the opportunity to receive part of my compensation in stock options. It hindered my advancement.

What culture was that?

Japan. Late 1980's and early 90's.

Yellow Privilege?

 

[Publius1787]

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

If my actions change because of your irrational behavior the fault for the consequences of my behavior lies with no one other than myself. What the idea of "White Privilege" aims to accomplish is to grant others an excuse to blame whites for their irrational behavior. Just because whites exercise better self control than blacks does not make them privileged. Likewise, the lack of self control in the black community cannot be blamed on whites. "White privilege" is nothing other than a means to ignore black personal responsibility and convey that lack of personal responsibility as someone else's fault.

No. But that sure makes Matthew's leg tingle a bit.

You haven't spent much time discussing the article I posted earlier. Maybe you missed it. Here it is again.

I taught my black kids that their elite upbringing would protect them from discrimination. I was wrong. - The Washington Post

Give it a read. See if you have ever dealt with any of that. That dude isn't looking for excuses. Is he?

I have dealt with much of that growing up in a black neighborhood. However, The words didn't hurt me. It was being beat to the ground by multiples of blacks who were understandably upset when I refused to allow them to sexually assault my 9 year old sister. But that is just one of a whole host of stories I could tell ya.




That aside, Whites do something similar.

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.

Weeeeeeeeeeeee! Time for everyone to take that shit now, folks. We've hit the mother lode!

Indeed, find a falsehood if you dare.

 

[Publius1787]

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

Well...I have. I have experienced being followed around a department store by staff who believed that I might steal something. Often. I was denied entry to a golf course once. I was singled out by an employer and denied the opportunity to receive part of my compensation in stock options. It hindered my advancement.

What culture was that?

Japan. Late 1980's and early 90's.

Yellow Privilege?

Tackling Asian Privilege - Taki s Magazine

 

[LoneLaugher]

Absolutely minimized. But not in any way extinguished.

Have you ever spent any time living in a culture where you were considered a second class citizen?

Not exactly; however, I grew up with a speech impediment. Thus as a child I was often grouped with the slower kids in school. That may be why I did not learn the proper conjugation of the word suppose in the third grade.

Well...I have. I have experienced being followed around a department store by staff who believed that I might steal something. Often. I was denied entry to a golf course once. I was singled out by an employer and denied the opportunity to receive part of my compensation in stock options. It hindered my advancement.

What culture was that?

Japan. Late 1980's and early 90's.

Yellow Privilege?

Hmmmmm. Japanese people are not yellow. They don't consider the tone of their skin to be yellow.

Just the way shit was.....I was not enslaved or beaten....I wasn't jeered at or anything. But....I was a "gaijin". Brown hair...blue eyes....and a potential shoplifter.