CDZ What is White Privilege?

[Publius1787]

White privilege - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit white people beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances.[note 1] These privileges are unearned and are distributed based on values of the dominant group.[1] According to McIntosh and Lee, whites in a society considered culturally a part of the Western World enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience.[1] This leads to the controversy over whether or not White people should be able to enjoy these privileges. The term denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white persons may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice.[2] These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely.[1] The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts.[3] The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.[4][5]

Can you provide examples of White Privilege?

I provided several examples.

Indeed, You wanted to win an argument by volume, not quality of argument. Pick one and we will debate it. I could write volumes of every category you posted. I chose not to because it would have taken too much time, and once I was done, there is little doubt that you would have not responded because it would have taken you too much time. Ergo, you would have wasted my time only not to reply to me. I saw that one coming from a mile away.

Pick an argument and I will address it. But one at a time please.

While you are critiquing the posting style of everyone here....don't forget to tell the dude with his nose up your ass to get lost.

Thanks.

Ok, what was your problem there?

 

[JoeMoma]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

 

[jasonnfree]

White privilege allows the white person to be seen through the lens of their actions, not the lens of their race.

White privilege is what makes me less likely than black people to be followed through a store.

White privilege is what is invoked when I get stopped at a checkpoint, and even though I'm missing my front license plate, I'm let go with, "Take care of that," rather than "Pull over and we'd like to search your car."

White privilege is what causes a teacher to be more forgiving of a white kid who is "having a tough day", and recommend suspension for the same actions from a black kid.

White privilege is what you experience when people don't lock their car doors when you walk by.

White privilege is what you experience when your application is actually looked at by someone who matters, due to the lack of a "black-sounding name."

White privilege is being told, "Great work!" for a job well done, instead of people muttering behind your back that it was probably affirmative action.

White privilege is not worrying that a police officer might decide that you look suspicious.

White privilege is when I walk down the street, and I'm pretty damned sure some white driver isn't constructing a narrative that I'm walking slowly on purpose, because I think he owes me reparations. <<<<<<<<<This one is my personal favorite, as a person on USMB actually told me this.

White privilege means that I'm more likely to be helped out in an emergency by bystanders than a black person.

Edit: After reading the Washington Post piece, I was reminded that white privilege means that if a cop sees you running to your car or running into your house, or running just about ANYWHERE, the cop will simply assume you are in a hurry, and not that you're fleeing the scene of a crime.

Maybe the cop is profiling like he's always being accused of. Maybe profiling is not such a bad thing. Profiling- making judgements based on past experience. I'm not afraid to go into almost any white area in this country. I'd wouldn't do so in South Central L.A.

 

[Publius1787]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Bingo. We have a winner. If you cannot behave then you are under privileging yourself.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What is wrong with working hard and seeking self betterment? Saying that it's priviliged somehow says that it is wrong to do it. That isn't good for society.

Discouraging something that is good is a bad idea.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

It exists, then?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

White privilege allows the white person to be seen through the lens of their actions, not the lens of their race.

Huh... So we're at that ever so problematic point: What came first the "White Privilege" or the negative behavior which strips a race of its privilege?

It doesn't matter. White privilege may have been "earned" as a group, but not by individuals. You also seem to be of the opinion that racism against a certain group is "earned" and that all members of that group should be punished for it.

Well only if by 'earned' you're speaking of the gain or incurrence deservedly coming in return for one's behavior or achievements, where those achievements are a collective reputation born of their adherence to unsustainable principles, manifesting in poor choices, producing violent criminal behavior.

You're speaking of cause and effect, hoping that the responsibilities for the 'cause' can be separated from the unenviable consequences of the 'effect'.

It's a lie... which follows, given your leftist nature and Left-think is founded upon the three tenets: Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance.

There is no 'white privilege', there is only the consequences of a prolonged and extensive history which brings restrictions upon those who bear resemblance to the perpetrators of such.

I'm not even sure what your argument is here. It doesn't matter what the cause of White Privilege is, the effect is that it exists.

Again, I gave several examples of it.

That's because the argument is that White Privilege, where it exists, exists for a reason... and that reason has nothing to do with blacks being unfairly discriminated against and everything to do with the fairness intrinsic to do with inevitable consequences which come through adherence to unsustainable, unprincipled 'ideas'.

Part and parcel of those unprincipled ideas, is the one which holds that others enjoying the privileges of their good behavior, are, by virtue of their circumstances, guilty of injuring others, who are suffering as a result of THEIR BEHAVIOR.

Now, where that behavior is collective and a member of that collective, who otherwise reject the unprincipled nature of the collective is unfairly treated, that is unfortunate... but that is NOT the fault or the responsibility of ANYONE except those who have set that reputation upon their own race.

Now you may disagree and that's fine... but your inability to recognize the truth, sets you as part of the problem, and those who are part of the problem are irrelevant to issues relating to the SOLUTION.

I hope that helps...

 

[Spare_change]

"White privilege" is a fabrication of the left in an attempt to drive a wedge between the races.

Saw an interesting quote the other day, "If you don't want a minimum wage job, don't have minimum skills". Kinda liked that one.

 

[Publius1787]

White privilege - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit white people beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances.[note 1] These privileges are unearned and are distributed based on values of the dominant group.[1] According to McIntosh and Lee, whites in a society considered culturally a part of the Western World enjoy advantages that non-whites do not experience.[1] This leads to the controversy over whether or not White people should be able to enjoy these privileges. The term denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white persons may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice.[2] These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; presumed greater social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely.[1] The effects can be seen in professional, educational, and personal contexts.[3] The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal.[4][5]

Can you provide examples of White Privilege?

I provided several examples.

Indeed, You wanted to win an argument by volume, not quality of argument. Pick one and we will debate it. I could write volumes of every category you posted. I chose not to because it would have taken too much time, and once I was done, there is little doubt that you would have not responded because it would have taken you too much time. Ergo, you would have wasted my time only not to reply to me. I saw that one coming from a mile away.

Pick an argument and I will address it. But one at a time please.

You asked for examples. Now, by giving some, I'm guilty of something? Forget it.

White privilege is not a single instance event. It's a systematic stacking of the odds in favor of white people. It's not formalized, nor is it necessarily institutionalized (at least, not anymore), but it exists, because the odds are that the white person will have a better outcome than a black person in almost every confrontation, in almost every experience with their fellow humans. That is because there are deeply set attitudes that are held toward groups of people, depending upon their race (also gender, and economic class). The attitudes of those in power toward white people are more positive than the attitudes of those in power toward black people. Those in power, whether bankers, police, educators, etc, will simply say, "The odds are that the black person will behave in a certain manner," and act accordingly in their interactions with the black person. And when they are right, it reinforces the prejudice, and when they are wrong, they consider it "no harm done." After all, how bad is it to pull over a black guy driving an expensive car? How tragic is it to follow a black teenager walking a neighborhood? How much harm does it do to check the black woman for welfare fraud?

Where you find discrepancies you do not always find discrimination or privilege. There are a number of things that coincide with cultural choice. Likewise, if an entire culture is failing itself then it cannot claim that others are privileged because they refuse to fail themselves in the same way. Blacks are disadvantaged in part because of the legacy of the black power movement whereas they abandoned cultural advancement so as to distinguish themselves from those "evil" whites. They started granting themselves Africanized names and attributing successful behavior as too white for them to adopt. Oh I will agree that there is a legacy to condemn but when 3/4 black children are born to a single parent, which is more than at any time under Jim Crow, the legacy certainly isn't discrimination.

Now, I cannot address everything without posting tirades as the one I did above. Find you an example to argue and we will argue it. But I could write volumes on how your examples are wrong and you will no doubt leave me standing at the door as you fail to respond to me in an effective and argumentative manner.

 

[JoeMoma]

Please don't do this. you will get an honest argument out of me.

What they have done is to prove themselves incapable of honest discourse. Your query is just, your argument is sound, therefore, the Left's defense is inadequate.

Such is the nature of Socialist Myth.

If it were intellectually sound, then where one finds the Left they would find prosperity, happiness and fulfilled lives... and not the racked and decaying cultures witnessed where ever such has been set to seed.

I was amazed how I asked for examples and the standard response was "why?" Hell, one would have been fine. I just wanted to figure out for myself how far I can give credence to their argument and how far I could not. I'm trying to find my niche in this argument but they don't want to argue. its a foregone uncritically examined conclusion for them.

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

 

[LoneLaugher]

What they have done is to prove themselves incapable of honest discourse. Your query is just, your argument is sound, therefore, the Left's defense is inadequate.

Such is the nature of Socialist Myth.

If it were intellectually sound, then where one finds the Left they would find prosperity, happiness and fulfilled lives... and not the racked and decaying cultures witnessed where ever such has been set to seed.

I was amazed how I asked for examples and the standard response was "why?" Hell, one would have been fine. I just wanted to figure out for myself how far I can give credence to their argument and how far I could not. I'm trying to find my niche in this argument but they don't want to argue. its a foregone uncritically examined conclusion for them.

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the consequences of poor behavior; whose poor behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

 

[Publius1787]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the behavior and whose behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

I thought the idea of "white privilege" was kinda like the Catholic church. They want you to think your a sinner with all this unearned indulgence of sin and they want you to realize and confess every now and then that you are sinner so as to grant them a feel good purpose in life that its not their fault so as to justify further unaccomplishments.

 

[Publius1787]

I was amazed how I asked for examples and the standard response was "why?" Hell, one would have been fine. I just wanted to figure out for myself how far I can give credence to their argument and how far I could not. I'm trying to find my niche in this argument but they don't want to argue. its a foregone uncritically examined conclusion for them.

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

If my actions change because of your irrational behavior the fault for the consequences of my behavior lies with no one other than myself. What the idea of "White Privilege" aims to accomplish is to grant others an excuse to blame whites for their irrational behavior. Just because whites exercise better self control than blacks does not make them privileged. Likewise, the lack of self control in the black community cannot be blamed on whites. "White privilege" is nothing other than a means to ignore black personal responsibility and convey that lack of personal responsibility as someone else's fault.

 

[JoeMoma]

I was amazed how I asked for examples and the standard response was "why?" Hell, one would have been fine. I just wanted to figure out for myself how far I can give credence to their argument and how far I could not. I'm trying to find my niche in this argument but they don't want to argue. its a foregone uncritically examined conclusion for them.

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

 

[Publius1787]

I don't wish to argue.....you are correct.

I'd rather have a discussion. If what yiu said in the two previous posts stands...we will have one.

Let's see.

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

You're about to get it. The church of "White Privilege" loves arguments such as the one you just presented.

 

[Publius1787]

This guy destroys the idea of "White Privilege."

 

[LoneLaugher]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the behavior and whose behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

I thought the idea of "white privilege" was kinda like the Catholic church. They want you to think your a sinner with all this unearned indulgence of sin and they want you to realize and confess every now and then that you are sinner so as to grant them a feel good purpose in life that its not their fault so as to justify further unaccomplishments.

Not at all.

 

[Publius1787]

I beleive that Blacks can easily overcome WP by educating themselves and presenting themselves as confident and capable individuals.

Indeed... and that is because 'white privilege' is not the result of the behavior of whites, but the result of the behavior of those who have earned the behavior and whose behavior has caused injury to others; with that injury being the lack of privilege on the part of their entire race.

There's NOTHING you can do to mitigate white behavior that is going to increase black privilege. All THAT approach is going to produce is less privilege on the part of those who are advancing such... .

I thought the idea of "white privilege" was kinda like the Catholic church. They want you to think your a sinner with all this unearned indulgence of sin and they want you to realize and confess every now and then that you are sinner so as to grant them a feel good purpose in life that its not their fault so as to justify further unaccomplishments.

Not at all.

I guess this brings me to a major question I haven't thought of. What is the intended actionable consequence of teaching people about "white privilege?"

 

[JoeMoma]

......If what you said.......
Yeah, I know it's just a typo, but to paraphrase Jesus, let he who makes no mistakes cast the first correction and insult based on said correction.

Wow! You really put me in my place.

An adult would have just said thanks for the info and learned from the experience. You have gone your entire life not knowing that there is a "d" in "supposed to". I pointed it out for you. Just think of how many times you have made that mistake. Think of how many times others didn't tell you about it.

I don't claim to be perfect. I make my share of usage errors. Mine are a little less obvious, though. I'm grateful when someone points them out.

Perhaps your "help" would be better received if you did it without being insulting. For example, "An adult would have just said thanks......", comes across as condescending and insulting. Is that your goal? Does it inflate your ego? Are you grateful when someone insults you for your errors when you make one? To stay on topic, are you exercising White Privilege when you do this?

You are right. I was insulting. Probably unnecessarily. I will apologize.

Now....am I exercising white privilege when I do this? Hmmmmm. I'd say no. It doesn't quite apply.

White privilege....as I noted earlier....isn't something that is "used" or "exercised". It is experienced. It exists. I think you have expressed agreement regarding its existence.

I have definitely experienced it for my entire life. No doubt in my mind.

Apology accepted.
Historically I know for a fact WP existed. Whites got to sit at the front of the bus for example. The flip side of being discriminated against is to be privileged. Although there is still discrimination against Blacks today, It is minuscule compared to what it was two or three generations ago. Thus, the flip side, the WP has also been minimized. If a Black man can be elected president, then other Blacks can achieve similar success.

You're about to get it. The church of "White Privilege" loves arguments such as the one you just presented.

Since we have affirmative action, in some circumstances there is Black Privilege. It is well documented that many universities will accept Blacks with poorer acedemic records than the acedemic records of other races in the interest of diversity. Thus, in theses circumstances Blacks are privileged as other races are discriminated against.