What is "Unfettered Capitalism"?

[RodISHI]

Capitalism is a self regulating system. Charge too much, someone will undercut you. Deliver bad goods/services? People will stop buying. Cheat someone? Expect a big lawsuit.The problems that people cite with "capitalism" usually are the result of lack of capitalism, i.e. gov't intrusion. Capitalism has raised standards of living and brought people out of poverty. Why would anyone want to fetter that?

What if there's no one else to buy or get services from because unfettered(unregulated) capitalism has driven out all the competition? There's also the matter of pollution and unsafe working conditions. Unfettered capitalism considers worrying about them to be unproductive and therefore ignores their effects.

There has never been a monopoly in the history of capitalism that wasn't legally enforced. Unsafe working conditions have been resolved by lawsuits. The record shows that the creation of OSHA has zero affect on the reduction in workplace accidents and illnesses.

Pollution issues can be resolved through the tort process.

The tort process won't work if the government refuses to do its job and prosecute crimes. When judges are bought and paid for you can't just go sue the person, company or people that damaged you. It sounds all nice but it does not work that away.

Yeah? So how are government regulatory agencies any different?

They do provide a very limited amount of protection but not much at this point in some areas. Too many people think this is all a partisan issue and its not. It is a corrupt system where the only way you get congress to act on anything is enough people understand what some of the government officials and Congress Members have been up to. The way it is that is hard to do because so many people have been lied to for so long. People are given a choice vote this way or that way but then all the propaganda hits in the middle and they don't know which way to vote. Personally I am looking at the records and history of anyone I vote for or support at this point. If the people cannot get involved in the process they depend on someone else to make their decisions. For instance you have Republicans selling out on this issue item through (i) (but well a few can and get it passed) and Democrats on these issue item through (z) but not that others issue (but well a few can and get it passed) issue and the people are getting screwed each and every time. You don't have enough people in Congress yet that won't be bought and paid for as they are protecting their own ass and saying to hell with everyone else. F' the parties; get together and start protecting people from the politicians and their makers if they are bought and paid for sellouts.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

Where is this "garbage patch?" Your video showed pictures of Manilla Harbor, and it showed a simulation of what umpteen billion plastic bottles look like, but it didn't show any footage of the so-called "garbage patch."

 

[Neser Boha]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

You done hit your head, boy?

 

[francoHFW]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

It's the bought off, brainwashed GOP party that made it this way and blocks reform and justice duh....

 

[Meathead]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

Oddly enough, it wasn't until capitalism that the acid rain forests of the Czech Republic came back to life after 40 years of communism:

Acid rain nearly destroyed the waterways of the Jizera Mountains; now, thanks to cleaner industry, both the waterways and their surrounding forests are on the mend.

In the Jizera Mountains of Czechoslovakia, acid rain has had a devastating effect on the waterways. In recent years, however, efforts to restore forests, lakes, and rivers have borne fruit. Earthwatch volunteers studied the restoration of fragile waterways in an effort to help develop a comprehensive management plan to ensure the future of this beautiful region.

Mountain Waters of the Czech Republic

 

[RodISHI]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

Where is this "garbage patch?" Your video showed pictures of Manilla Harbor, and it showed a simulation of what umpteen billion plastic bottles look like, but it didn't show any footage of the so-called "garbage patch."

Perhaps you have not walked the beaches where the Mississippi dumps crap into the sea. Or areas near San Francisco or L.A. I have they are full of trash. In fact on South Padre Island they run tractors early morning to clean the beach area up for no one will see all the trash that washed up over night.

 

[ScienceRocks]

We enjoy clear skies and clean water because of regulations
Our workers have rights and get paid better then china, india or some other shit hole because of minimum wage and unions.
Our quality is higher because of standards
Our food, medication and other products are safe because of the fda, cdc, etc.
Anti-trust laws make sure huge corps don't crowd out the entire industry...

All this is needed to regulate capitalism..Anyone that says that capitalism is self regulating is without the slightest clue of what they're talking about. You think capitalism cared about its workers in China??? Or in 1890's America? People come after money in capitalism.

Nixon started the EPA. There's nothing uncapitalistic about it. We all enjoy a healthier environment. Customers live longer and spend more in a healthy market too.

Sorry, I have to disagree with that. There's nothing capitalist about the EPA.

Sorry, but you're dead wrong in your belief. Money isn't everything and I find it sad that you believe it is. Clean air, water and food matters more. So yes, we need the epa and regulations to make sure assholes that care only about money are kept in check.

 

[Neser Boha]

If you at all care about the future of your children, a good read/listen:
Dianna Cohen: Tough truths about plastic pollution | TED Talk | TED.com

 

[boedicca]

Capitalism is a self regulating system. Charge too much, someone will undercut you. Deliver bad goods/services? People will stop buying. Cheat someone? Expect a big lawsuit.
The problems that people cite with "capitalism" usually are the result of lack of capitalism, i.e. gov't intrusion.
Capitalism has raised standards of living and brought people out of poverty. Why would anyone want to fetter that?

Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy!

Organized crime always want a cut of the action.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

Where is this "garbage patch?" Your video showed pictures of Manilla Harbor, and it showed a simulation of what umpteen billion plastic bottles look like, but it didn't show any footage of the so-called "garbage patch."

Perhaps you have not walked the beaches where the Mississippi dumps crap into the sea. Or areas near San Francisco or L.A. I have they are full of trash. In fact on South Padre Island they run tractors early morning to clean the beach area up for no one will see all the trash that washed up over night.

The video talks about "the Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch." It doesn't talk about the Mississippi. It doesn't talk about "areas near San Francisco or L.A." It doesn't talk about South Padre Island

 

[bripat9643]

If you at all care about the future of your children, a good read/listen:
Dianna Cohen: Tough truths about plastic pollution | TED Talk | TED.com

Does that also make claims and then never documents them?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Unfettered capitalism is a natural human state.

Is that a quote from a Mad Max movie?

Sadly, if allowed to humans seem to accept swimming around in waste, breathing dense smog and eating low quality food. At least when you look at most of the third world or 19th century europe.

lol

Thank god for regulations, the epa, the fda, the cdc and people demanding better in America.

 

[MisterBeale]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

You done hit your head, boy?

No. What you are doing, that video you have posted, that is, in fact, and act of capitalism. You have researched a product, (plastic) and have decided not to purchase plastic water bottles, pop bottles, and bring bags to the grocery store. (I do the same.) However, using force is always unethical and achieves undesired results. Political and social scientists already know this. Added to that, this is America, that is just not, philosophically, how we do things here.

People choose their behavior based on what is good for them, their community, their nation, and the world.

That problem is, every nation on the planet is involved in corporatism. If you have an issue you are concerned about, like the plastic issue, research it, and get involved. Everyone on this board is a corporatist. And now, apparently, you are too.

When you use FORCE, it distorts the economy, and undesired results occur. Example; the price of steel and aluminum, and other metals go up, more plastic is used. If you want to combat that, use the government, everyone else uses it, why shouldn't you?


Aluminum Cos. Demand US Action Against Chinese Subsidies
http://www.law360.com/articles/721873/aluminum-cos-demand-us-action-against-chinese-subsidies

 

[regent]

Unfettered capitalism doesn't remain capitalism for long.
As soon as we allow unfettered capitalism to exist, business interests begin to fetter it, with monopolies, price fixing, tainted foods shoddy merchandise and it is no longer capitalism. Regulation is to keep capitalism alive and well; unfettered capitalism means to destroy capitalism.
Unfettered capitalism is similar to the name: monopolistic-capitalism, or uncompetitive- capitalism.

 

[Meathead]

Unfettered capitalism is a natural human state.

Is that a quote from a Mad Max movie?

Sadly, if allowed to humans seem to accept swimming around in waste, breathing dense smog and eating low quality food. At least when you look at most of the third world or 19th century europe.

lol

Thank god for regulations, the epa, the fda, the cdc and people demanding better in America.

You are confusing capitalism with humanity. Communism delivered only results for the environment. I do not believe in unfettered capitalism, but I believe the extent of control, especially of that which is part and parcel of human nature should be limited as much as possible.

At times I think I am dealing with imbeciles- nothing personal mind you.

 

[MisterBeale]

Unfettered capitalism doesn't remain capitalism for long.
As soon as we allow unfettered capitalism to exist, business interests begin to fetter it, with monopolies, price fixing, tainted foods shoddy merchandise and it is no longer capitalism. Regulation is to keep capitalism alive and well; unfettered capitalism means to destroy capitalism.
Unfettered capitalism is similar to the name: monopolistic-capitalism, or uncompetitive- capitalism.

My point exactly. Just about the only place you will get unfettered capitalism is at an art fair, the farmers market, craigs list, or ebay.

 

[RodISHI]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

Where is this "garbage patch?" Your video showed pictures of Manilla Harbor, and it showed a simulation of what umpteen billion plastic bottles look like, but it didn't show any footage of the so-called "garbage patch."

Perhaps you have not walked the beaches where the Mississippi dumps crap into the sea. Or areas near San Francisco or L.A. I have they are full of trash. In fact on South Padre Island they run tractors early morning to clean the beach area up for no one will see all the trash that washed up over night.

The video talks about "the Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch." It doesn't talk about the Mississippi. It doesn't talk about "areas near San Francisco or L.A." It doesn't talk about South Padre Island

Look if it does not pile on the beaches it get to an area where it should not be. I see her point even if you want to take issue with her. Hell if I had a camera and the money I'd be filming all the shit on the beaches. Let's not ignore when there are problems and someone is bringing an issue up or are your sights to small for that? Trash is a problem when it isn't contained properly. Ignoring it when N.J., Taiwan, Japan, India or whoever takes a boat load out and dumps it in the ocean can't be feasible long term.

 

[boedicca]

Unfettered capitalism doesn't remain capitalism for long.
As soon as we allow unfettered capitalism to exist, business interests begin to fetter it, with monopolies, price fixing, tainted foods shoddy merchandise and it is no longer capitalism. Regulation is to keep capitalism alive and well; unfettered capitalism means to destroy capitalism.
Unfettered capitalism is similar to the name: monopolistic-capitalism, or uncompetitive- capitalism.

So, riddle me this: WTF is "fettered" Capitalism?

 

[bripat9643]

Unfettered capitalism doesn't remain capitalism for long.
As soon as we allow unfettered capitalism to exist, business interests begin to fetter it, with monopolies, price fixing, tainted foods shoddy merchandise and it is no longer capitalism. Regulation is to keep capitalism alive and well; unfettered capitalism means to destroy capitalism.
Unfettered capitalism is similar to the name: monopolistic-capitalism, or uncompetitive- capitalism.

All you're saying is that democracy is inherently corrupt. True, democracies will always devolve into socialism/fascism. That's a problem with democracy, not capitalism. Monopolies can only exist if government enforces them by law. "Price fixing" has never worked unless enforced by law. That's what FDR tried to do with the NRA. It was all a vast price fixing scheme.

Companies that sell tainted food can be sued, and the ones that shell shoddy merchandise go out of business. Where do you find shoddy merchandise, in capitalist countries or socialist countries. If you want a perfect example of shoddy merchandise, check out the cars they made in the Soviet Union.

All your claims are Marxist anti-capitalist propaganda that was shot down long ago.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism : (Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch)

Where is this "garbage patch?" Your video showed pictures of Manilla Harbor, and it showed a simulation of what umpteen billion plastic bottles look like, but it didn't show any footage of the so-called "garbage patch."

Perhaps you have not walked the beaches where the Mississippi dumps crap into the sea. Or areas near San Francisco or L.A. I have they are full of trash. In fact on South Padre Island they run tractors early morning to clean the beach area up for no one will see all the trash that washed up over night.

The video talks about "the Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch." It doesn't talk about the Mississippi. It doesn't talk about "areas near San Francisco or L.A." It doesn't talk about South Padre Island

Look if it does not pile on the beaches it get to an area where it should not be. I see her point even if you want to take issue with her. Hell if I had a camera and the money I'd be filming all the shit on the beaches. Let's not ignore when there are problems and someone is bringing an issue up or are your sights to small for that? Trash is a problem when it isn't contained properly. Ignoring it when N.J., Taiwan, Japan, India or whoever takes a boat load out and dumps it in the ocean can't be feasible long term.

When I walk the beaches here in Florida, they are sparking clean. The only place you find trash on the beach is in countries like the Philippines where they allow people to throw their refuse onto public property. I dispute your claims about the Bay area because I've been there many times and I have never seen refuse of any kind in the water.