What is the "true" cost of Charter Schools?

[rdean]

So I'm watching Morning Joe the other day and they had the CEO of "Success Academy Charter Schools", Eva Moskowitz, on as a guest.

I know right wingers on this site will say "Oh, that's on MSNBC so everything they say is a lie". Just this morning, one of the panelists and regular contributors was Bill Krystal. One of the guests was right wing extremist Jim DeMint. No one interrupted them, edited their comments or tried to make them look foolish. This isn't Fox. Republicans on the USMB don't like MSNBC because they don't like the message. How many times have I posted links here USMB Republicans called "lies" and then later had to eat those words? Examples: Republicans block Obama from investigating the BP oil spill, Military makes super computer from game chips and so one.

So they were talking about how these Charter Schools cost so much less and how people have to go through a lottery to get their children into one. Someone asked the CEO about salary comparison between her teachers and union teachers and she said her teachers get paid, on average, at least 30% more. NOTE: That's the difference between teachers making $40,000 and teachers making $60,000. Times that difference by 10 or 20 and you have a LOT of money going out the door.

AND she said that her teachers are required to spend time going to "classes" so they can learn new techniques in teaching. But the teachers don't pay for those classes, the school does.

So how does a school who limits the number of students, pays the teachers more and pays for further teacher education for the teachers cost less?

I stumbled across the answer this morning.

Anyone?

 

[Disir]

(c) A charter school may contract with a school district or the governing body of a public college or university for the use of a school building and grounds, the operation and maintenance thereof. Any such contract shall provide such services or facilities at cost. - See more at: N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2853 : NY Code - Section 2853: Charter school organization; oversight; facilities

By not following the law. Sue the state comptroller to avoid transparency. Push out kids with disabilities or might be troublesome. Shut down your schools to force march for political purposes. Eva is swell, ain't she?

 

[rdean]

(c) A charter school may contract with a school district or the governing body of a public college or university for the use of a school building and grounds, the operation and maintenance thereof. Any such contract shall provide such services or facilities at cost. - See more at: N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2853 : NY Code - Section 2853: Charter school organization; oversight; facilities

By not following the law. Sue the state comptroller to avoid transparency. Push out kids with disabilities or might be troublesome. Shut down your schools to force march for political purposes. Eva is swell, ain't she?

Someone got it on the first try. When she was asked about the facilities, she said they were free. "Unused government buildings". Only the tax payers are paying, so they aren't "free". It's like Republicans saying, "Cutting taxes pay for themselves". Only they don't. GOP economics is so strange.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What do public schools pay for their buildings?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

 

[Disir]

(c) A charter school may contract with a school district or the governing body of a public college or university for the use of a school building and grounds, the operation and maintenance thereof. Any such contract shall provide such services or facilities at cost. - See more at: N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2853 : NY Code - Section 2853: Charter school organization; oversight; facilities

By not following the law. Sue the state comptroller to avoid transparency. Push out kids with disabilities or might be troublesome. Shut down your schools to force march for political purposes. Eva is swell, ain't she?

Someone got it on the first try. When she was asked about the facilities, she said they were free. "Unused government buildings". Only the tax payers are paying, so they aren't "free". It's like Republicans saying, "Cutting taxes pay for themselves". Only they don't. GOP economics is so strange.

She's full of it. She "shares space" and is terrified enough to avoid transparency because then she would be caught and she wouldn't be able to steal from the public coffers.

 

[rdean]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

 

[Spiderman]

So I'm watching Morning Joe the other day and they had the CEO of "Success Academy Charter Schools", Eva Moskowitz, on as a guest.

I know right wingers on this site will say "Oh, that's on MSNBC so everything they say is a lie". Just this morning, one of the panelists and regular contributors was Bill Krystal. One of the guests was right wing extremist Jim DeMint. No one interrupted them, edited their comments or tried to make them look foolish. This isn't Fox. Republicans on the USMB don't like MSNBC because they don't like the message. How many times have I posted links here USMB Republicans called "lies" and then later had to eat those words? Examples: Republicans block Obama from investigating the BP oil spill, Military makes super computer from game chips and so one.

So they were talking about how these Charter Schools cost so much less and how people have to go through a lottery to get their children into one. Someone asked the CEO about salary comparison between her teachers and union teachers and she said her teachers get paid, on average, at least 30% more. NOTE: That's the difference between teachers making $40,000 and teachers making $60,000. Times that difference by 10 or 20 and you have a LOT of money going out the door.

AND she said that her teachers are required to spend time going to "classes" so they can learn new techniques in teaching. But the teachers don't pay for those classes, the school does.

So how does a school who limits the number of students, pays the teachers more and pays for further teacher education for the teachers cost less?

I stumbled across the answer this morning.

Anyone?

30% more than 40K is 52K not 60K

If you went to a charter school you might have known that.

 

[martybegan]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

Maybe because the charter schools don't have to pay for multiple layers of bureaucracy that is a large chunk of the DOE's budget?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

NY Public schools get the same free rent

The Charter schools pay their teachers to teach and not whack off in the hallway

See the difference?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So I'm watching Morning Joe the other day and they had the CEO of "Success Academy Charter Schools", Eva Moskowitz, on as a guest.

I know right wingers on this site will say "Oh, that's on MSNBC so everything they say is a lie". Just this morning, one of the panelists and regular contributors was Bill Krystal. One of the guests was right wing extremist Jim DeMint. No one interrupted them, edited their comments or tried to make them look foolish. This isn't Fox. Republicans on the USMB don't like MSNBC because they don't like the message. How many times have I posted links here USMB Republicans called "lies" and then later had to eat those words? Examples: Republicans block Obama from investigating the BP oil spill, Military makes super computer from game chips and so one.

So they were talking about how these Charter Schools cost so much less and how people have to go through a lottery to get their children into one. Someone asked the CEO about salary comparison between her teachers and union teachers and she said her teachers get paid, on average, at least 30% more. NOTE: That's the difference between teachers making $40,000 and teachers making $60,000. Times that difference by 10 or 20 and you have a LOT of money going out the door.

AND she said that her teachers are required to spend time going to "classes" so they can learn new techniques in teaching. But the teachers don't pay for those classes, the school does.

So how does a school who limits the number of students, pays the teachers more and pays for further teacher education for the teachers cost less?

I stumbled across the answer this morning.

Anyone?

30% more than 40K is 52K not 60K

If you went to a charter school you might have known that.

6% of Rdeans posts are mathematically accurate

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

Maybe because the charter schools don't have to pay for multiple layers of bureaucracy that is a large chunk of the DOE's budget?

Wonder how many Charter school superintendents are making $635,000?

 

[rdean]

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

Maybe because the charter schools don't have to pay for multiple layers of bureaucracy that is a large chunk of the DOE's budget?

Wonder how many Charter school superintendents are making $635,000?

Wonder how many Charter schools handle a million students?

 

[rdean]

So I'm watching Morning Joe the other day and they had the CEO of "Success Academy Charter Schools", Eva Moskowitz, on as a guest.

I know right wingers on this site will say "Oh, that's on MSNBC so everything they say is a lie". Just this morning, one of the panelists and regular contributors was Bill Krystal. One of the guests was right wing extremist Jim DeMint. No one interrupted them, edited their comments or tried to make them look foolish. This isn't Fox. Republicans on the USMB don't like MSNBC because they don't like the message. How many times have I posted links here USMB Republicans called "lies" and then later had to eat those words? Examples: Republicans block Obama from investigating the BP oil spill, Military makes super computer from game chips and so one.

So they were talking about how these Charter Schools cost so much less and how people have to go through a lottery to get their children into one. Someone asked the CEO about salary comparison between her teachers and union teachers and she said her teachers get paid, on average, at least 30% more. NOTE: That's the difference between teachers making $40,000 and teachers making $60,000. Times that difference by 10 or 20 and you have a LOT of money going out the door.

AND she said that her teachers are required to spend time going to "classes" so they can learn new techniques in teaching. But the teachers don't pay for those classes, the school does.

So how does a school who limits the number of students, pays the teachers more and pays for further teacher education for the teachers cost less?

I stumbled across the answer this morning.

Anyone?

30% more than 40K is 52K not 60K

If you went to a charter school you might have known that.

so what

 

[bripat9643]

(c) A charter school may contract with a school district or the governing body of a public college or university for the use of a school building and grounds, the operation and maintenance thereof. Any such contract shall provide such services or facilities at cost. - See more at: N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2853 : NY Code - Section 2853: Charter school organization; oversight; facilities

By not following the law. Sue the state comptroller to avoid transparency. Push out kids with disabilities or might be troublesome. Shut down your schools to force march for political purposes. Eva is swell, ain't she?

Someone got it on the first try. When she was asked about the facilities, she said they were free. "Unused government buildings". Only the tax payers are paying, so they aren't "free". It's like Republicans saying, "Cutting taxes pay for themselves". Only they don't. GOP economics is so strange.

The taxpayers were paying for them regardless of whether they were being used or not, so letting the schools use them didn't cost the taxpayers a dime, numskull.

 

[bripat9643]

Maybe because the charter schools don't have to pay for multiple layers of bureaucracy that is a large chunk of the DOE's budget?

Wonder how many Charter school superintendents are making $635,000?

Wonder how many Charter schools handle a million students?

The guy getting paid $635,000 only handled 6000 students.

 

[bripat9643]

What do public schools pay for their buildings?

When you see someone state that schooling in a given state costs 'X' number of dollars, that doesn't include the cost of the buildings.

 

[bripat9643]

(c) A charter school may contract with a school district or the governing body of a public college or university for the use of a school building and grounds, the operation and maintenance thereof. Any such contract shall provide such services or facilities at cost. - See more at: N.Y. EDN. LAW § 2853 : NY Code - Section 2853: Charter school organization; oversight; facilities

By not following the law. Sue the state comptroller to avoid transparency. Push out kids with disabilities or might be troublesome. Shut down your schools to force march for political purposes. Eva is swell, ain't she?

Someone got it on the first try. When she was asked about the facilities, she said they were free. "Unused government buildings". Only the tax payers are paying, so they aren't "free". It's like Republicans saying, "Cutting taxes pay for themselves". Only they don't. GOP economics is so strange.

She's full of it. She "shares space" and is terrified enough to avoid transparency because then she would be caught and she wouldn't be able to steal from the public coffers.

How is she "stealing" anything? A charter school is a public school, idiot.

 

[bripat9643]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

Regular public schools get free rent also, dipstick. The government also pays for their schooling.

 

[bripat9643]

Progressives HATE Educational choice

They HATE it worse than Bush and Reagan combined

How DARE the kids try to escape the Progressive Plantation?

What happened to supporting Choice?

You aren't answering the questions. Teachers getting paid 30% more than union teachers. Limited number of students. Free rent. Teachers getting free education.

Thought you were thrifty. Guess not.

Maybe because the charter schools don't have to pay for multiple layers of bureaucracy that is a large chunk of the DOE's budget?

About half the employees in most public school system are non-teaching positions