CDZ What is the difference between a Machine Gun and an AR-15?

[Pete7469]

And what is the power of the bullets out of an AR15 vs just a rifle?

The AR-15 is a civilian rifle...with a small bullet compared to other rifles. That Doctor is lying. Any rifle or shotgun hit is going to do lots of damage.....

The AR-15 is a small bullet compared to a 30.06.....

The AR-15 is not a weapon of war or an "Assault Rifle." It is a civilian and police rifle....

A 12Ga 00 Buck shot, just one round leaves a horrific wound, if you don't die immediately you will wish you had. It contains 9 - 15 lead or copper plated (rare and expensive in copper) 30 caliber projectiles and utterly destroys whatever is in front of it. As far as lethality and destructive capacity IMO a semi-auto magazine fed 12Ga out performs an AR or an M4A1 in full auto for CQB.

This is because a 5.56 round in a skinny target zips right through. Unless you're a thick muscular soldier or wearing thick clothing that bullet will not "yaw", which is where the most significant tissue damage occurs. Being hit with multiple 30 caliber projectiles nearly all at once turns any flesh in front of it into ground meat.

The hype is all on the AR's at this point, but again, the weapon of terror just 2 decades ago was the AK-47 clones, and their 7.62 bullets do destroy tissue faster, but they're not as accurate.

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[harmonica]

.....semi--auto can be more deadly than full auto--plain and simple--there is no arguing it
....if you are in combat range/distance, a lot of rounds will MISS with full auto--plain and simple...with semi-auto, a lot more will be on target

At crime distances today....a rifle is no different than a pistol.....we are not talking about the battlefield with 300 yard distances of engagement... from the street to a house, or inside a house.....so you are just wrong.

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

it says PISTOLs = meaning pistol RANGE
you fked up--admit it

 

[2aguy]

At crime distances today....a rifle is no different than a pistol.....we are not talking about the battlefield with 300 yard distances of engagement... from the street to a house, or inside a house.....so you are just wrong.

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

it says PISTOLs = meaning pistol RANGE
you fked up--admit it

Wrong...again.... a rifle in close quarters is no more accurate than a pistol in close quarters..... a rifle is only better at longer ranges where its design makes it more accurate...you are just wrong.

 

[harmonica]

.....semi--auto can be more deadly than full auto--plain and simple--there is no arguing it
....if you are in combat range/distance, a lot of rounds will MISS with full auto--plain and simple...with semi-auto, a lot more will be on target

At crime distances today....a rifle is no different than a pistol.....we are not talking about the battlefield with 300 yard distances of engagement... from the street to a house, or inside a house.....so you are just wrong.

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

when you have the RIFLE sling tight, you have a very stable weapon
....I fired USMC KD course at 200 yards STANDING with sling and hit all five out of five BULL'S EYE for years on the Able target
with iron sights!!!!
that means the BLACK

 

[harmonica]

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

it says PISTOLs = meaning pistol RANGE
you fked up--admit it

Wrong...again.... a rifle in close quarters is no more accurate than a pistol in close quarters..... a rifle is only better at longer ranges where its design makes it more accurate...you are just wrong.

Able target--last image didn't go through

 

[harmonica]

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

it says PISTOLs = meaning pistol RANGE
you fked up--admit it

Wrong...again.... a rifle in close quarters is no more accurate than a pistol in close quarters..... a rifle is only better at longer ranges where its design makes it more accurate...you are just wrong.

the NRA said it is!!!!!!
now the NRA is -----------wrong????!!!
.....if it is more accurate at longer range, that means it is even MORE accurate at close ranges

 

[2aguy]

At crime distances today....a rifle is no different than a pistol.....we are not talking about the battlefield with 300 yard distances of engagement... from the street to a house, or inside a house.....so you are just wrong.

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

when you have the RIFLE sling tight, you have a very stable weapon
....I fired USMC KD course at 200 yards STANDING with sling and hit all five out of five BULL'S EYE for years on the Able target
with iron sights!!!!
that means the BLACK

200 yards....how far is it from a car to a house? Is the distance in a hallway to a bedroom 200 yards.....?

Rifles are meant for long ranges...... they lose that when they enter a house, and can become more of a liability when clearying a house with tight turns and close doorways.....

 

[2aguy]

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

it says PISTOLs = meaning pistol RANGE
you fked up--admit it

Wrong...again.... a rifle in close quarters is no more accurate than a pistol in close quarters..... a rifle is only better at longer ranges where its design makes it more accurate...you are just wrong.

the NRA said it is!!!!!!
now the NRA is -----------wrong????!!!
.....if it is more accurate at longer range, that means it is even MORE accurate at close ranges

You take it out of context...as usual....... you are wrong.....as I just posted.

 

[harmonica]

even in a Walmart -you will get MORE assured kills with semi auto faster than with auto
undeniable

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

when you have the RIFLE sling tight, you have a very stable weapon
....I fired USMC KD course at 200 yards STANDING with sling and hit all five out of five BULL'S EYE for years on the Able target
with iron sights!!!!
that means the BLACK

200 yards....how far is it from a car to a house? Is the distance in a hallway to a bedroom 200 yards.....?

Rifles are meant for long ranges...... they lose that when they enter a house, and can become more of a liability when clearying a house with tight turns and close doorways.....

Walmart aisles are a lot longer than 50 yards
Las Vegas shooter over 300 yards away

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This video is very instructive of how a fully automatic AK 47 functions.

AK-47's sold in the States are NOT fully automatic.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Current Second Amendment jurisprudence holds that an M 16 and AR 15 are similar enough to render both weapons considered to be dangerous and unusual

Cite that ruling.

He can not because ak-47 and AR-15 are protected by the IN COMMON USE ruling.

 

[Pete7469]

This video is very instructive of how a fully automatic AK 47 functions.

AK-47's sold in the States are NOT fully automatic.

True, in fact I do believe authentic soviet made full auto AK's than can be purchased in the US are very scarce. They're all basically bastardized parts kits from Warsaw Pact states with US made semi-auto only receivers and FCG's.

They pretty much all suck too, WASR-10's being the worst examples. Older Romy -G's are among the best from what I've read, but there is a company making someone decent AK clones here in the states, but they cost way more than they're worth.

Furthermore the 7.62x39 round is no longer being produced by any significant military and will likely be a thing of the past in the not too distant future.

 

[WinterBorn]

I still don't get it?
So for each and every shot, they have to pull the trigger? What makes it semi-automatic then?

No, you get it. There is NOTHING semi-auto about a semi-auto. They are no different than a revolver. You squeeze the trigger once and it shoots once. They retain the deceptive moniker "semi-auto" because they were originally automatic but were modified into single fire only for street use.

And what the heck is a "magazine"?

Anything other than a bolt action that holds more than one round of ammo at a time for convenience usually goes into a magazine for loading.

And what is the power of the bullets out of an AR15 vs just a rifle?

An AR15 IS a rifle. A small one. Basically shoots a variant of a .22 caliber almost.

Cuz I read an article once by a doctor who works the ER and gunshot wounds and the doc said that these semi automatic Rifles tear the victim apart, and there are slim to no chance of survival if they are hit in an organ by them but if just a regular gun,

Bullshit. Damage depends on the caliber of ammo and the type. AR15 shoots .223. AK47 shoots a bit bigger round. Any handgun shooting .45 caliber is far far more powerful, especially if it is hollow point ACP or even a Black Talon (they fly apart in the body doing maximum destruction.

Actually, the AR firing a .223 round does the same or more damage.

A .45ACP leaves the barrel doing about 900 to 1,000 feet per second, and has around 400 ft lbs of energy. It does have a bigger bullet, but the case capacity means far less powder to launch it.

A .223 leaves the barrel doing about 3200 to 3600 feet per second, and has between 1,000 and 1,300 fl lbs of energy. Plus the high velocity means the hydrostatic shock does even more damage.

Here are 2 videos. The first is the .45ACP in ballistic gel, and the other is 5.56mm in ballistic gel.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A machine gun mounts on a tank & uses large caliber, at least .50" ammunition, loaded automatically from a belt rather than a magazine.

An AR-15 is a "carbine" — shorter than a standard rifle or long gun, and fitted with a pistol grip, but not short or small enough to be classified as a handgun.

Nope.

 

[Andylusion]

There is a law called the National Firearms Act that was implemented in 1934 that "regulates" (read that mega-taxed) machine guns. It was brought into law basically as a response to the St. Valentine's Day Massacre where 7 guys were executed by 4 guys with machine guns. So not being a gun guy, I would like to know what the difference is between the original definition of a machine gun which means any weapon that can be fired more than once with a single trigger pull, at least the way I understand it. This to me begs the question why an AR-15 or equivalent isn't a machine gun and why isn't it heavily regulated the way machine guns are?

I'm not at all a gun control advocate, but if we already have a law that's been on the books for 90 years that already taxes the crap out of machine guns, wouldn't that same tax and regulation extend to modern semi-automatic weapons?

Not much. And honestly, any gun can be made into a functional machine gun.

Any gun can be modified to fire non-stop (fully-automatic). You can turn a pistol into a fully automatic gun.

Now you can't do it legally... but you can do it. Again, it does not matter what the gun laws are, you can do anything illegally.

Just like police find sawed off shotguns all the time. I'm always confused by "if we only had a law", and I think when has that ever worked? We have laws against downloading software/music/movies that have a $250,000 fine, and 3 years in prison. Do tell, how has that worked? We have laws against drugs too, and I still see heroin overdoses.

Anyway.... very little is the answer to your question. Very little. Nothing that you can't change with an hour of illegal work.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

it says PISTOLs = meaning pistol RANGE
you fked up--admit it

Wrong...again.... a rifle in close quarters is no more accurate than a pistol in close quarters..... a rifle is only better at longer ranges where its design makes it more accurate...you are just wrong.

the NRA said it is!!!!!!
now the NRA is -----------wrong????!!!
.....if it is more accurate at longer range, that means it is even MORE accurate at close ranges

Nope.

One reason shifting to the M-4 from the M-16 was the fact that longer barrel on the M-16 made it more difficult to use in CQC.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

when you have the RIFLE sling tight, you have a very stable weapon
....I fired USMC KD course at 200 yards STANDING with sling and hit all five out of five BULL'S EYE for years on the Able target
with iron sights!!!!
that means the BLACK

200 yards....how far is it from a car to a house? Is the distance in a hallway to a bedroom 200 yards.....?

Rifles are meant for long ranges...... they lose that when they enter a house, and can become more of a liability when clearying a house with tight turns and close doorways.....

Walmart aisles are a lot longer than 50 yards
Las Vegas shooter over 300 yards away

The Las Vegas shooter could not even see the people he was shooting! He was spraying and praying.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

when you have the RIFLE sling tight, you have a very stable weapon
....I fired USMC KD course at 200 yards STANDING with sling and hit all five out of five BULL'S EYE for years on the Able target
with iron sights!!!!
that means the BLACK

200 yards....how far is it from a car to a house? Is the distance in a hallway to a bedroom 200 yards.....?

Rifles are meant for long ranges...... they lose that when they enter a house, and can become more of a liability when clearying a house with tight turns and close doorways.....

Walmart aisles are a lot longer than 50 yards
Las Vegas shooter over 300 yards away

I would like to see a Walmart with 50 yard aisles. Your stores have vastly different layouts than any I have been in.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong...... it depends on the target, and the time you have to shoot people.

At Gilroy....semi-auto rifle 3 killed.

At Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa, Elizabeth Warren supporter... 9 killed, semi- auto rifle.

Russia Polytechnic shooting....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 wounded.

Nice, France, muslim terrorist, rental truck, 86 killed, 435 wounded.....

So no, you are just wrong. The entire determinant is time in the gun free zone before someone starts to shoot back.

same link:

Rifles are easier to shoot accurately because . . . they have a longer sight radius.

Which means nothing at close quarter ranges.....

when you have the RIFLE sling tight, you have a very stable weapon
....I fired USMC KD course at 200 yards STANDING with sling and hit all five out of five BULL'S EYE for years on the Able target
with iron sights!!!!
that means the BLACK

200 yards....how far is it from a car to a house? Is the distance in a hallway to a bedroom 200 yards.....?

Rifles are meant for long ranges...... they lose that when they enter a house, and can become more of a liability when clearying a house with tight turns and close doorways.....

Walmart aisles are a lot longer than 50 yards
Las Vegas shooter over 300 yards away

Yes....the Las Vegas shooter fired from long range...which is where the rifle is used most effectively.... and Walmart ranges are also pistol ranges, so the advantage of a rifle is diminished.

 

[WinterBorn]

Well, a machine gun is anything which is not a muzzle loader.

bwhaaaaah

And WHAT is a muzzle loader?

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This is a muzzle loader. You load the round into the muzzle of the gun. (you could say barrel, you load the round directly in the barrel).

These are usually single shot.

Pretty much anything that has a mechanical actions that puts the round into place, is a machine gun.

The only one I'm not sure about is a revolver. You don't actually load the round into the muzzle by hand, but it also isn't exactly mechanically putting the round into place. It's moving a cylinder around, when you pull the trigger.

So I don't know.

But virtually all pistols and semi-auto rifles, are all machine guns.

A semi-auto rifle or pistol is NOT a machine gun. The definitions have been given. If you get one round fired per trigger pull, it is a semi-auto. If you get as many rounds fired as the magazine or belt have with one trigger pull, it is a machine gun.