CDZ What is the difference between a Machine Gun and an AR-15?

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    There is a law called the National Firearms Act that was implemented in 1934 that "regulates" (read that mega-taxed) machine guns. It was brought into law basically as a response to the St. Valentine's Day Massacre where 7 guys were executed by 4 guys with machine guns. So not being a gun guy, I would like to know what the difference is between the original definition of a machine gun which means any weapon that can be fired more than once with a single trigger pull, at least the way I understand it. This to me begs the question why an AR-15 or equivalent isn't a machine gun and why isn't it heavily regulated the way machine guns are?

    I'm not at all a gun control advocate, but if we already have a law that's been on the books for 90 years that already taxes the crap out of machine guns, wouldn't that same tax and regulation extend to modern semi-automatic weapons?
     
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    AR-15s are single pull single shot semi-auto assault riffles... unless of course you modify with something like a bump stock. Machine guns are fully automatic
     
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    Sigh...

    An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II.[6][7][8] Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing full-powered rifles and sub-machine guns in most roles.[8] Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.[8]

    AR-15's just scare bed wetting liberals.

    Years ago it was AK's.

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    I still don't get it? :(

    So for each and every shot, they have to pull the trigger? What makes it semi-automatic then?

    Can you fire a lot of shots in one round? Holy crap... and come to think of it, what the heck is a "round"? How does that work? And what the heck is a "magazine"? :( I know less than a kindergartner, so please be gentle with this dummy!

    And what is the power of the bullets out of an AR15 vs just a rifle? Cuz I read an article once by a doctor who works the ER and gunshot wounds and the doc said that these semi automatic Rifles tear the victim apart, and there are slim to no chance of survival if they are hit in an organ by them but if just a regular gun, the Docs have a much better chance of saving the victim even with a direct hit to an organ....???
     
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    Or a rubber band :D
     
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    ........semi-auto can be just as deadly if not more than full auto = semi-auto aimed fire is much more accurate than full auto = no wastage of ammo =rounds on target [ kill shots ]
    .....we had the M16A1s with semi and full auto and then went to the A2s with 3 round burst and semi
     
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    OK I get it, you need a bump stock to get the multiple shots per second out of an AR-15. But even an average shooter could fire at a rate of 2 rounds per second. So without a bump stock or other mod, the AR-15 is not a machine gun per the 1934 definition. But it also isn't much of a stretch to say that the AR-15 meets the "intent" of a machine gun which is to throw lots of lead in the air in a short period of time, yes?
     
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    It’s called “semi automatic” because the gun automatically performs the reloading of each round or bullet. The user only needs to pull the trigger and load the magazine or pack of bullets. Riffles that are not semi automatic required the user to perform an action to reload the bullet before pulling the trigger for a shot.

    The power of the shot depends on the type of gun and the type of bullet being used.
     
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    And your belt loop....
     
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    per post # 6--it can be just as or MORE deadly than a fully auto weapon
     
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