What is our obligation to the poor?

[ding]

Agreed. It is not virtuous if one is forced to be virtuous. Nor has throwing money over a fence been proven to help his neighbor at all. Far from it... it destroys the spirit of man. Even FDR admitted to this.

You must be complaining about being forced to pay taxes.

Also off topic.

It would make more sense for you ding to stay on topic and simply conclude and say that since your taxes takes care of the poor then you don't have any other obligation to help them at all.

Is that way you are alluding to ?!

No. I am disagreeing with the solution, dumbass. You ever hear of the concept of subsidiarity?

And no, it was not off topic. Pull your stick out of your ass and get over yourself already. Are you still carrying that girl? I left her at the stream.

Subsidiarity (Catholicism) - Wikipedia

What a nasty apostate Catholic boy you are, boy.

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Nice drawing though.

It's a little more than a drawing, dumbass.

 

[yiostheoy]

The Khmer Rouge abolished all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs. These policies had been implemented in less severe forms for many years prior to the Khmer Rouge's taking power.

Off topic.

lol, you are worried about me being off topic on a five year old thread?

Likkmee made a comment in post # 100, ~ 1.5hrs ago, proposing a solution for the OP to abolish religion. You ever hear of point - counter point? It was on topic, dumbass. Pull your stick out of your ass and get over yourself already.

You could have pointed out that abolishing religion is off topic.

The topic is our obligation to the poor.

And you are therefore feeding the troll.

Wash your mouth out with soap, you apostate Catholic boy.

It seems that your solution to meeting our obligation to the poor is a state solution. That hasn't been shown to work. In fact, it has been shown to makes the matter worse. Your state solution destroys the spirit of man. Subsidiarity ennobles the spirit of man.

Damm you're dumm boy.

I have not presented any solutions.

 

[yiostheoy]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Doesn't make much difference what you believe. The facts are:

1) There are over 900,000,000 in the world who are dying from starvation or suffering from malnutrition...mostly children

2) Church folks drop by for an hour and a half a week and leave their money which is used for preacher's homes and salaries, travel expenses, oak or mahagony pews, building maintenance or expansion, expensive musical instruments and sound systems, stained glass, steeples, youth programs, missionaries who travel to other countries with the precise purpose of changing their culture. They leave there feeling good and believing they have done their part.

Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor. He was saddened to hear it.

Making up a number does not lend any kind of credence to a hate diatribe against religion. If you feel you have to make things up to prove an opinion, then it is time for you to reevaluate that opinion.

Off topic.

You Darkwind seem to have ADD just as badly as ding has.

 

[Darkwind]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Doesn't make much difference what you believe. The facts are:

1) There are over 900,000,000 in the world who are dying from starvation or suffering from malnutrition...mostly children

2) Church folks drop by for an hour and a half a week and leave their money which is used for preacher's homes and salaries, travel expenses, oak or mahagony pews, building maintenance or expansion, expensive musical instruments and sound systems, stained glass, steeples, youth programs, missionaries who travel to other countries with the precise purpose of changing their culture. They leave there feeling good and believing they have done their part.

Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor. He was saddened to hear it.

Making up a number does not lend any kind of credence to a hate diatribe against religion. If you feel you have to make things up to prove an opinion, then it is time for you to reevaluate that opinion.

Off topic.

You Darkwind seem to have ADD just as badly as ding has.

Did you read what I was replying to? If perhaps, I was replying to the OP, you may have had more of a point than the one on your head.

 

[yiostheoy]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Doesn't make much difference what you believe. The facts are:

1) There are over 900,000,000 in the world who are dying from starvation or suffering from malnutrition...mostly children

2) Church folks drop by for an hour and a half a week and leave their money which is used for preacher's homes and salaries, travel expenses, oak or mahagony pews, building maintenance or expansion, expensive musical instruments and sound systems, stained glass, steeples, youth programs, missionaries who travel to other countries with the precise purpose of changing their culture. They leave there feeling good and believing they have done their part.

Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor. He was saddened to hear it.

Making up a number does not lend any kind of credence to a hate diatribe against religion. If you feel you have to make things up to prove an opinion, then it is time for you to reevaluate that opinion.

Off topic.

You Darkwind seem to have ADD just as badly as ding has.

Did you read what I was replying to? If perhaps, I was replying to the OP, you may have had more of a point than the one on your head.

These long strings of fractured trolled tangents are always off topic.

It is better to stay on point and try to tie back what you are saying to the O/P.

That way the O/P becomes like a compass to keep you on point.

 

[ding]

The Khmer Rouge abolished all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs. These policies had been implemented in less severe forms for many years prior to the Khmer Rouge's taking power.

Off topic.

lol, you are worried about me being off topic on a five year old thread?

Likkmee made a comment in post # 100, ~ 1.5hrs ago, proposing a solution for the OP to abolish religion. You ever hear of point - counter point? It was on topic, dumbass. Pull your stick out of your ass and get over yourself already.

You could have pointed out that abolishing religion is off topic.

The topic is our obligation to the poor.

And you are therefore feeding the troll.

Wash your mouth out with soap, you apostate Catholic boy.

It seems that your solution to meeting our obligation to the poor is a state solution. That hasn't been shown to work. In fact, it has been shown to makes the matter worse. Your state solution destroys the spirit of man. Subsidiarity ennobles the spirit of man.

Damm you're dumm boy.

I have not presented any solutions.

I see. You have just been practicing the cultural marxist practice of critical theory where you criticize what you don't believe to justify what you do believe without ever having to define what you do believe or submit it for examination. I suspect in your mind you are employing critical thinking. That isn't critical thinking. Critical thinking is when you critically examine what you do believe to test its validity. You haven't done that. Your behavior is more akin to socialism which defies examination. You have no formal defined dogma. Instead you only have a vague, rosy notion of something noble and good, of equality, communal ownership, and justice: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Your beliefs are shrouded in legend; your contradictions are forgotten or concealed; you do not respond to argument, but continually ignore them--all this stems from the mist of irrationality that surrounds your beliefs and its instinctive aversion to analysis.

How can his proposed solution of abolishing religion to solve the problem be off topic? It wasn't off topic, it was diametrically opposed to the correct solution. You don't dismiss logical fallacies as off topic. You show the error created by logical fallacies which is what I did.

 

[Darkwind]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Doesn't make much difference what you believe. The facts are:

1) There are over 900,000,000 in the world who are dying from starvation or suffering from malnutrition...mostly children

2) Church folks drop by for an hour and a half a week and leave their money which is used for preacher's homes and salaries, travel expenses, oak or mahagony pews, building maintenance or expansion, expensive musical instruments and sound systems, stained glass, steeples, youth programs, missionaries who travel to other countries with the precise purpose of changing their culture. They leave there feeling good and believing they have done their part.

Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor. He was saddened to hear it.

Making up a number does not lend any kind of credence to a hate diatribe against religion. If you feel you have to make things up to prove an opinion, then it is time for you to reevaluate that opinion.

Off topic.

You Darkwind seem to have ADD just as badly as ding has.

Did you read what I was replying to? If perhaps, I was replying to the OP, you may have had more of a point than the one on your head.

These long strings of fractured trolled tangents are always off topic.

It is better to stay on point and try to tie back what you are saying to the O/P.

That way the O/P becomes like a compass to keep you on point.

Again, I am directly on point to the person I was replying to. I did not reply to the topic of the thread. If I wanted to do that, I would have done so.

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Doesn't make much difference what you believe. The facts are:

1) There are over 900,000,000 in the world who are dying from starvation or suffering from malnutrition...mostly children

2) Church folks drop by for an hour and a half a week and leave their money which is used for preacher's homes and salaries, travel expenses, oak or mahagony pews, building maintenance or expansion, expensive musical instruments and sound systems, stained glass, steeples, youth programs, missionaries who travel to other countries with the precise purpose of changing their culture. They leave there feeling good and believing they have done their part.

Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor. He was saddened to hear it.

Making up a number does not lend any kind of credence to a hate diatribe against religion. If you feel you have to make things up to prove an opinion, then it is time for you to reevaluate that opinion.

Off topic.

You Darkwind seem to have ADD just as badly as ding has.

No. He is not off topic. Point - counter point. He is on topic. What is happening here is a massive beat down. You have no valid responses so you cry "off topic."

This is what it looks like when you dismiss your defeats and ignore your incongruities. You have come to a gun fight with nothing more than your talleywhacker. While it might be amusing, it is hardly effective.

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Doesn't make much difference what you believe. The facts are:

1) There are over 900,000,000 in the world who are dying from starvation or suffering from malnutrition...mostly children

2) Church folks drop by for an hour and a half a week and leave their money which is used for preacher's homes and salaries, travel expenses, oak or mahagony pews, building maintenance or expansion, expensive musical instruments and sound systems, stained glass, steeples, youth programs, missionaries who travel to other countries with the precise purpose of changing their culture. They leave there feeling good and believing they have done their part.

Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell what he had and give it to the poor. He was saddened to hear it.

Making up a number does not lend any kind of credence to a hate diatribe against religion. If you feel you have to make things up to prove an opinion, then it is time for you to reevaluate that opinion.

Off topic.

You Darkwind seem to have ADD just as badly as ding has.

Did you read what I was replying to? If perhaps, I was replying to the OP, you may have had more of a point than the one on your head.

These long strings of fractured trolled tangents are always off topic.

It is better to stay on point and try to tie back what you are saying to the O/P.

That way the O/P becomes like a compass to keep you on point.

As you have already admitted that you have not offered any solutions I don't see how you were "on topic" using your own logic.

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

Ok for openers, this is a really old 5 year old thread.

Off topic

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Ok sealybobo it looks like you are the one resurrecting it again.

Off topic

 

[ding]

Personally, I feel an obligation to feed the poor. I've walked a mile or two in their shoes.I know how it is. All help is appreciated, but pride can make them pretend like they don't want help.

Go to a homeless camp and leave a couple buckets of KFC. Grab a leg and walk away. Biscuits, gravy, smashed potatoes, corn... the whole shebang.

It feels good when you've performed a good deed.

So you are a lot like Bertrand Russell then -- and atheist with feelings.

Off topic

 

[ding]

Agreed. It is not virtuous if one is forced to be virtuous. Nor has throwing money over a fence been proven to help his neighbor at all. Far from it... it destroys the spirit of man. Even FDR admitted to this.

You must be complaining about being forced to pay taxes.

Also off topic.

It would make more sense for you ding to stay on topic and simply conclude and say that since your taxes takes care of the poor then you don't have any other obligation to help them at all.

Is that way you are alluding to ?!

No. I am disagreeing with the solution, dumbass. You ever hear of the concept of subsidiarity?

And no, it was not off topic. Pull your stick out of your ass and get over yourself already. Are you still carrying that girl? I left her at the stream.

Subsidiarity (Catholicism) - Wikipedia

What a nasty apostate Catholic boy you are, boy.

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Nice drawing though.

Off topic

 

[sealybobo]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

Good answer. Better to have a shot, than no shot at all. Of course you are arguing for people to not have kids because their kids might end up being poor. That is your argument, right?

 

[sealybobo]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

Good answer. Better to have a shot, than no shot at all. Of course you are arguing for people to not have kids because their kids might end up being poor. That is your argument, right?

Yes. But I'm not concerned about the person that was never born because his or her mom was smart enough to take birth control until she could afford to have children.

Are you saying poor people shouldn't worry about being able to afford kids they should have as many as they can for the sake of giving those kids a shot at life?

Im not talking abortion. I'm talking about abstinence or birth control.

Now you tell me, what is your obligation to the poor? If your answer is none then shouldn't poor people think before they breed? Having and raising a kid is a big deal. They don't just raise themselves. So what is the Poor's obligation?

 

[JakeStarkey]

State solutions to feeding the poor do indeed work, as we have seen in the West.

They have not made the poor less fed, so, no, such solutions do not make the matter worse.

A program tied to a works component and a jobs training component would be better.

 

[ding]

Ive been thinking about it this morning and I was wondering what our obligation to the poor is. Im not talking about what we should outsource to the government or what the government should do. But what do we as individuals have a responsibility to do?

I keep thinking of the words of a hymn:

"We'll go to the poor like our Captain of old. And visit the weary, the hungry, and cold. We'll cheer up their hearts with the news that he bore and point them to Zion and life evermore."

I believe we as individuals have a duty and privilege to serve the poor. And that when we try to outsource those responsibilities to the government and to others, than we fail to give and recieve the blessings we could otherwise have.

What do you think?

I think the poor need to try to not be poor. Or if you are poor and have kids your goal should be to get your kids out of poverty. Which means they shouldn't have kids till they are no longer poor.

The next generation of poor chose to be poor. They did it to themselves. No reason a person has to be poor in America unless he or she has children.

You wrote this 5 years ago. Anyone poor who read this back then, what have they done in the last 5 years to better themselves?

Do you believe it would be better to not be born at all than to be born poor?

No

Good answer. Better to have a shot, than no shot at all. Of course you are arguing for people to not have kids because their kids might end up being poor. That is your argument, right?

Yes. But I'm not concerned about the person that was never born because his or her mom was smart enough to take birth control until she could afford to have children.

Are you saying poor people shouldn't worry about being able to afford kids they should have as many as they can for the sake of giving those kids a shot at life?

Im not talking abortion. I'm talking about abstinence or birth control.

Now you tell me, what is your obligation to the poor? If your answer is none then shouldn't poor people think before they breed? Having and raising a kid is a big deal. They don't just raise themselves. So what is the Poor's obligation?

If people waited to afford kids, there wouldn't be many kids being born because it is human nature to push those things beyond the cognitive horizon. You meet your goals, now you have to set new goals. Money should not be the driver. Love should. Everything works itself out. They should have as many as they can afford to love.

Obligation to the poor should be handled in concentric circles. Family, friends, church, community, local government and federal government in that order.

 

[ding]

State solutions to feeding the poor do indeed work, as we have seen in the West.

They have not made the poor less fed, so, no, such solutions do not make the matter worse.

A program tied to a works component and a jobs training component would be better.

Why have welfare rolls continued to increase if these programs work?

 

[JakeStarkey]

State solutions to feeding the poor do indeed work, as we have seen in the West.

They have not made the poor less fed, so, no, such solutions do not make the matter worse.

A program tied to a works component and a jobs training component would be better.

Why have welfare rolls continued to increase if these programs work?

Because economies go bad, people go out of work, and because the level of subsistence increases.

The programs work, but they need a works and training component, or they will be self-perpetuating.