What if black lives really mattered?

[Asclepias]

They need to see way more than that. They need to have pointed out to them where they come from. What values, traditions, philosophies they should be holding near and dear to them. How to navigate the caste system in the US to achieve success. How to defend themselves in the event your video doesnt work out for them.

What caste system?
Don't see anyone in USA looks like this caste member....
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Dear healthmyths
the caste systems we have are projected and segregated on an abstract level.
For example:
1. people with criminal records are not going to have the same rights and access as people who don't
2. people with connections with lawyers and judges, with media or corporate and govt ties,
are not going to operate by the same rules as people without legal resources, defense or connections
3. people with corporate resources for development and paying millions into campaign finances
are treated differently from people on social welfare instead of corporate welfare
4. and now, thanks to these new laws recently
a. govt employees get better insurance packages paid for with taxpayer money
while taxpayers get fined if we don't buy our own plans that either cost us more, offer less, or both;
so while we aren't exempted from penalties but have to pay more out of our pockets,
our tax money pays for these officials and staff to get exempted with much better benefits
b. people who believe in state sanctioned gay marriage are treated as "tolerant" while those who
don't believe in treating homosexuality the same as heterosexuality are labeled "bigots and intolerant"
and harassed and sued/penalized for beliefs

We already segregated by party; now laws are being passed to PENALIZE and criminalize
members of one party for their creeds unless they comply with the creeds of the other party.

Isn't that a more insidious form of social castes?
And that's on top of the division by party, calling Black Conservatives "Uncle Tom's"
and members of both parties calling the others "babykillers" (for either not criminalizing abortion
or for supporting the military efforrts).

There is a social stigma and discrimination against people of opposing party beliefs,
there are laws and fines/penalties being mandated for beliefs in opposition to the established bias
on faith-based issues, and this is in addition to the segregation already enforced between parties.
Since the major parties are divided by class, touting one as the party of the rich, while the other is for the poor,
and both blaming the other for either corporate welfare or social welfare as a burden on the public taxpayer,
isn't that parallel to social castes or classes? Where members of one are not welcomed by the other.

Almost all your points are regarding people not taking actions or taking the wrong actions.
That's how society works... but there IS NOT a "caste system" like Indian caste which is what you are comparing.

Weird how you think India is the only place that has a caste system and anyone is comparing the caste system in the US to India when no one even mentioned India except you.

So just being the ignorant person I am, I did as I usually do checked Google.

On Google search I entered "caste system"..
About 2,230,000 results (0.28 seconds) and below WAS FIRST entry..

NOTE : Caste System in India first line!!!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The key phrase that should have caught your attention is "in India". That means that there are caste systems elsewhere in the world other than India. I cant believe you would broadcast your stupidity on the forum for everyone to witness. Next get the definition from a dictionary and read all of the uses so you wont look so stupid.

caste

a : a division of society based on differences of wealth, inherited rank or privilege, profession, occupation, or race

 

[emilynghiem]

here is what "black boys" should SEE!!!
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

They need to see way more than that. They need to have pointed out to them where they come from. What values, traditions, philosophies they should be holding near and dear to them. How to navigate the caste system in the US to achieve success. How to defend themselves in the event your video doesnt work out for them.

What caste system?
Don't see anyone in USA looks like this caste member....
View attachment 48228
View attachment 48229

Dear healthmyths
the caste systems we have are projected and segregated on an abstract level.
For example:
1. people with criminal records are not going to have the same rights and access as people who don't
2. people with connections with lawyers and judges, with media or corporate and govt ties,
are not going to operate by the same rules as people without legal resources, defense or connections
3. people with corporate resources for development and paying millions into campaign finances
are treated differently from people on social welfare instead of corporate welfare
4. and now, thanks to these new laws recently
a. govt employees get better insurance packages paid for with taxpayer money
while taxpayers get fined if we don't buy our own plans that either cost us more, offer less, or both;
so while we aren't exempted from penalties but have to pay more out of our pockets,
our tax money pays for these officials and staff to get exempted with much better benefits
b. people who believe in state sanctioned gay marriage are treated as "tolerant" while those who
don't believe in treating homosexuality the same as heterosexuality are labeled "bigots and intolerant"
and harassed and sued/penalized for beliefs

We already segregated by party; now laws are being passed to PENALIZE and criminalize
members of one party for their creeds unless they comply with the creeds of the other party.

Isn't that a more insidious form of social castes?
And that's on top of the division by party, calling Black Conservatives "Uncle Tom's"
and members of both parties calling the others "babykillers" (for either not criminalizing abortion
or for supporting the military efforrts).

There is a social stigma and discrimination against people of opposing party beliefs,
there are laws and fines/penalties being mandated for beliefs in opposition to the established bias
on faith-based issues, and this is in addition to the segregation already enforced between parties.
Since the major parties are divided by class, touting one as the party of the rich, while the other is for the poor,
and both blaming the other for either corporate welfare or social welfare as a burden on the public taxpayer,
isn't that parallel to social castes or classes? Where members of one are not welcomed by the other.

Almost all your points are regarding people not taking actions or taking the wrong actions.
That's how society works... but there IS NOT a "caste system" like Indian caste which is what you are comparing.

Dear healthmyths
yes and no.
I KNOW we do not have what India has,
but we have other things that are the cultural Equivalent given our system is different.

A
If you mean "literally" people born under a socially registered grouping,
then in this country that would mean
* naturally born citizens
vs
* naturalized citizens
or also
* undocumented/illegal residents

So yes, you can call that a 'caste' system
though legally we are "supposed" to recognize
a naturalized citizen equally as a natural born citizen.

You can look at how people are treated in reality
and know that isn't always equal.

Is THIS CLOSER to what you mean?

that people BORN in America are regarded
as a different class than people NOT born here?

B. as for what you consider people choosing behavior
that is still not justification whether to respect someone's CONSENT or not.
Obviously it's too much to ask people to respect each other's actual "beliefs"
when they don't feel it is reciprocal.

I find as many people treat the "anti-gay" as a separate class
as the people who treat the "pro-gay" as a separate class.

Even if you feel this is based on CHOICE and not by birth,
Even if it isn't EXACTLY the same as in India,
it's still a regimented system of labeling people of another group
as not equally deserving the same rights to express and defend their beliefs.

it is still seeking to denigrate, overrule, discriminate and exclude members of a group by label.

I know it is not a perfect parallel, I'm just trying to find a similar equivalent
in our American system, where people mentally pigeonhole others by group label
and treat them as a lower class of people with unequal rights.

People do this politically to each other all the time.
Does counting people unequally by "birthright" count as a separate caste or similar?

 

[emilynghiem]

What caste system?
Don't see anyone in USA looks like this caste member....
View attachment 48228
View attachment 48229

Dear healthmyths
the caste systems we have are projected and segregated on an abstract level.
For example:
1. people with criminal records are not going to have the same rights and access as people who don't
2. people with connections with lawyers and judges, with media or corporate and govt ties,
are not going to operate by the same rules as people without legal resources, defense or connections
3. people with corporate resources for development and paying millions into campaign finances
are treated differently from people on social welfare instead of corporate welfare
4. and now, thanks to these new laws recently
a. govt employees get better insurance packages paid for with taxpayer money
while taxpayers get fined if we don't buy our own plans that either cost us more, offer less, or both;
so while we aren't exempted from penalties but have to pay more out of our pockets,
our tax money pays for these officials and staff to get exempted with much better benefits
b. people who believe in state sanctioned gay marriage are treated as "tolerant" while those who
don't believe in treating homosexuality the same as heterosexuality are labeled "bigots and intolerant"
and harassed and sued/penalized for beliefs

We already segregated by party; now laws are being passed to PENALIZE and criminalize
members of one party for their creeds unless they comply with the creeds of the other party.

Isn't that a more insidious form of social castes?
And that's on top of the division by party, calling Black Conservatives "Uncle Tom's"
and members of both parties calling the others "babykillers" (for either not criminalizing abortion
or for supporting the military efforrts).

There is a social stigma and discrimination against people of opposing party beliefs,
there are laws and fines/penalties being mandated for beliefs in opposition to the established bias
on faith-based issues, and this is in addition to the segregation already enforced between parties.
Since the major parties are divided by class, touting one as the party of the rich, while the other is for the poor,
and both blaming the other for either corporate welfare or social welfare as a burden on the public taxpayer,
isn't that parallel to social castes or classes? Where members of one are not welcomed by the other.

Almost all your points are regarding people not taking actions or taking the wrong actions.
That's how society works... but there IS NOT a "caste system" like Indian caste which is what you are comparing.

Weird how you think India is the only place that has a caste system and anyone is comparing the caste system in the US to India when no one even mentioned India except you.

So just being the ignorant person I am, I did as I usually do checked Google.

On Google search I entered "caste system"..
About 2,230,000 results (0.28 seconds) and below WAS FIRST entry..

NOTE : Caste System in India first line!!!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
View attachment 48319

The key phrase that should have caught your attention is "in India". That means that there are caste systems elsewhere in the world other than India. I cant believe you would broadcast your stupidity on the forum for everyone to witness. Next get the definition from a dictionary and read all of the uses so you wont look so stupid.

caste

a : a division of society based on differences of wealth, inherited rank or privilege, profession, occupation, or race

Dear Asclepias
healthmyths is not being stupid, but being LITERAL being SPECIFIC to ONE instance
and is trying to talk about THAT ONE.

Can we focus on finding the closest cultural equivalent in America
to the mentality going on in India with their caste system.

what about the birthright issue?
Isn't it pretty close to what we do when we treat naturally born
citizens as having inalienable rights but not naturalized immigrants?

People born here like James Holmes can kill a mass of people and still have rights.
While hard working people whose only crime is crossing the border to save their families
have to work to earn those rights, and if they commit penalties, are held to responsibility for that.

We don't judge by who is law abiding or not.
We judge by which side of the border you were born on.

Is that close enough? To start this conversation of what we have that is even close to a caste system?