What do you think about Obama care?

[RevRabbiJCG]

Obama care is flawed even from the beginning

 

[uscitizen]

As I said before the obama car3e debate and leglislation even started.
We will wind up with something neigher side wants. Ins companies and such will likely benefit.
If you can't stop an army poision their well.

 

[SFC Ollie]

He lied.

 

[Greenbeard]

He lied.

About what?

 

[uscitizen]

Of course he lied. He is a politician remember.

Sheesh, rubes....

 

[SFC Ollie]

He lied.

About what?

Take off your blinders. I'm not having a good day today or I would go into details.

 

[RDD_1210]

He lied.

About what?

Take off your blinders. I'm not having a good day today or I would go into details.

ie. I don't know, I'm just repeating what I've heard others say.

 

[RDD_1210]

I think the better question is, for those opposed to "Obamacare".

Was there anything wrong with the healthcare system in this country before "Obamacare" and if so, what?

 

[hortysir]

Well, for one, the Individual mandate IS a tax.
Florida is suing to exempt themselves from it, and that is the Fed's defense: that a state can't exclude itself from a tax.
2) 2014 = Employer mandated coverage? Employers with +50 employees must provide $2,000 per worker for insurance. If the employEE refuses coverage, the employER has to pay a $3,000 fine.
3) Thousands of new IRS workers to determine how much and what kind of coverage you need and can afford.


That's my top 3, anyway

 

[RevRabbiJCG]

Well, for one, the Individual mandate IS a tax.
Florida is suing to exempt themselves from it, and that is the Fed's defense: that a state can't exclude itself from a tax.
2) 2014 = Employer mandated coverage? Employers with +50 employees must provide $2,000 per worker for insurance. If the employEE refuses coverage, the employER has to pay a $3,000 fine.
3) Thousands of new IRS workers to determine how much and what kind of coverage you need and can afford.


That's my top 3, anyway

You could add a fourth; the govt is going down a path to total govt control of everyone's life including what to eat and when.

Socialism doesn't work, it's too costly and is a waste of taxpayers money.

 

[RevRabbiJCG]

As I said before the obama car3e debate and leglislation even started.
We will wind up with something neigher side wants. Ins companies and such will likely benefit.
If you can't stop an army poision their well.

Where did you get your avatar, the kitten with a hat on. he's, or she's cute in a kitten kind of way

 

[Immanuel]

I think the better question is, for those opposed to "Obamacare".

Was there anything wrong with the healthcare system in this country before "Obamacare" and if so, what?

Hell yes there was. Most importantly would be the costs of coverage. Unfortunately, HRC won't solve that problem and will in all likelihood only make things worse.

I simply do not believe that adding more bureaucracy to the equation brings down the costs or improves the service of anything including Health Insurance.

Malpractice and tort reform were and are issues as well. There were other issues as well, I just don't remember them all at the moment.

Reform of the system was absolutely necessary, but in my humble opinion giving control of the system to politicians is not the answer.

Immie

 

[SFC Ollie]

The Ohio State medical Association says that Obamacare "did not fix Medicare"

"Doctors want to take care of Medicare patients. Congress is forcing doctors to limit the number of Medicare patients we see or to quit taking Medicare patients altogether. "
America's Medical Societies

 

[Greenbeard]

Well, for one, the Individual mandate IS a tax.

That's the big lie? A semantic question of whether an individual mandate constitutes a tax increase (that was the subject of debate during his famous back-and-forth with George Stephanopoulos--whether it was an increase in taxes)? No secret was made of the fact that the mandate itself existed, nor was it secret how much it would be, though that changed multiple times during the legislative process.

As for the employer contribution, where's the lie there? He called for that during his campaign. In fact, you can use the Internet Archive to view his campaign issue page as it looked in 2008. Here it is, archived on March 12, 2008. The plan he was calling for at that time included:

Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.​

The House health care bill introduced in 2009 tied the size of the penalty payment to payroll size; the Senate Finance bill (which ultimately merged with the Senate HELP bill and the reconciliation bill to become the final bill that became law) instead relied on a flat fee paid for each employee, ultimately $2,000 per employee after you subtract out the first 30 employees. Just thought that should be clarified lest he be accused of lying about that detail.

 

[Oddball]

As for the employer contribution, where's the lie there?

The lie lies in basic business accounting.

The employer wouldn't be sending his "contribution" to the gubmint if he didn't already have that money allocated for employment costs.

"Employer contributions" don't cost the employer, they cost the employee.

 

[Greenbeard]

Again, where's the lie?

 

[Oddball]

Never met a payroll, have you?

 

[hortysir]

Again, where's the lie?

How about 12 lies?



CNSNews.com - 12 Taxes in Health Care Law Violate Obama?s Pledge Not to Increase Taxes on Households Earning Less than $250,000

12 Taxes in Health Care Law Violate Obama’s Pledge Not to Increase Taxes on Households Earning Less than $250,000

 

[Oddball]

^^^^^
That works.

 

[Intense]

Obama care is flawed even from the beginning

It will do more harm to the Republic in the end than the oil spill.