What are the Limits of Free Speech?

[TNHarley]

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False statements and hysteria that will impede on someone else's individual liberty

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I have a serious question for everyone. All rights have limitations and free speech is no exception. The question is, does the example below cross the line. Does it violate what should be allowed because it can be interpreted as inciting violence? A second question which may complicate the issue further might be whether or not freedom of religion might protect this speech.


Personally I am undecided on the first question because he is not telling people to commit acts of violence. On the other hand, is giving them permission, and planting a suggestion to commit violence, and as we know, that is all it takes to light a fire under certain people.


As for it being protected under the religious freedom clause, I don't think so. The fact that he is a preacher is not sufficient to grant him that protection. That is especially true given the fact that he is not citing any religious dogma to justify his words. Here is what he said:

http://[URL='https://www.patheos.co... Be Violence’ If Trump Is Removed From Office

[/URL]

Threats of violence: Christian TV Host Rick Wiles warns that “there is going to be violence in America” if Trump is impeached and removed from office.

Appearing on his TruNews program earlier this week Wiles declared that if President Donald Trump is removed from office his supporters who “know how to fight” will target Democratic lawmakers responsible for removing Trump and “hunt them down.”

Wiles said:

If they take him out, there is going to be violence in America. There are people in this country—veterans, cowboys, mountain men, guys that know how to fight—and they’re going to make a decision that the people that did this to Donald Trump are not going to get away with it and they’re going to hunt them down.

Here is some guidance on the issue;

What are some exceptions to the right to free speech?

Exceptions to free speech in the United States refers to categories of speech that are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing for limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech

United States free speech exceptions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Honest opinions only please.

The new problem is this-speech that may be described as inflammatory has ballooned. Define "lynching" and how bad is it to say in public?

Consider the concept of evolving standards of human rights.

 

[sparky]

Top 40 Threats to Free Speech Right Now! - National Coalition Against Censorship

~S~

 

[sparky]

Consider the concept of evolving standards of human rights.

Objectively, and i mean from a very broad objective, the more humans, the less freedom, and by proxy rights we'll have PP

~S~

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I have a serious question for everyone. All rights have limitations and free speech is no exception. The question is, does the example below cross the line. Does it violate what should be allowed because it can be interpreted as inciting violence? A second question which may complicate the issue further might be whether or not freedom of religion might protect this speech.


Personally I am undecided on the first question because he is not telling people to commit acts of violence. On the other hand, is giving them permission, and planting a suggestion to commit violence, and as we know, that is all it takes to light a fire under certain people.


As for it being protected under the religious freedom clause, I don't think so. The fact that he is a preacher is not sufficient to grant him that protection. That is especially true given the fact that he is not citing any religious dogma to justify his words. Here is what he said:

http://[URL="https://www.patheos.co... Be Violence’ If Trump Is Removed From Office

[/URL]

Threats of violence: Christian TV Host Rick Wiles warns that “there is going to be violence in America” if Trump is impeached and removed from office.

Appearing on his TruNews program earlier this week Wiles declared that if President Donald Trump is removed from office his supporters who “know how to fight” will target Democratic lawmakers responsible for removing Trump and “hunt them down.”

Wiles said:

If they take him out, there is going to be violence in America. There are people in this country—veterans, cowboys, mountain men, guys that know how to fight—and they’re going to make a decision that the people that did this to Donald Trump are not going to get away with it and they’re going to hunt them down.

Here is some guidance on the issue;

What are some exceptions to the right to free speech?

Exceptions to free speech in the United States refers to categories of speech that are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing for limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech

United States free speech exceptions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Honest opinions only please.

He didnt make a personal threat, he issued a warning. I agree.

Personally, I WILL target you at the ballot box. And I'm not worried. Your political lynching will fail. I have no doubt. God is with this man. You are fighting GOD.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I have a serious question for everyone. All rights have limitations and free speech is no exception. The question is, does the example below cross the line. Does it violate what should be allowed because it can be interpreted as inciting violence? A second question which may complicate the issue further might be whether or not freedom of religion might protect this speech.


Personally I am undecided on the first question because he is not telling people to commit acts of violence. On the other hand, is giving them permission, and planting a suggestion to commit violence, and as we know, that is all it takes to light a fire under certain people.


As for it being protected under the religious freedom clause, I don't think so. The fact that he is a preacher is not sufficient to grant him that protection. That is especially true given the fact that he is not citing any religious dogma to justify his words. Here is what he said:

http://[URL='https://www.patheos.co... Be Violence’ If Trump Is Removed From Office

[/URL]

Threats of violence: Christian TV Host Rick Wiles warns that “there is going to be violence in America” if Trump is impeached and removed from office.

Appearing on his TruNews program earlier this week Wiles declared that if President Donald Trump is removed from office his supporters who “know how to fight” will target Democratic lawmakers responsible for removing Trump and “hunt them down.”

Wiles said:

If they take him out, there is going to be violence in America. There are people in this country—veterans, cowboys, mountain men, guys that know how to fight—and they’re going to make a decision that the people that did this to Donald Trump are not going to get away with it and they’re going to hunt them down.

Here is some guidance on the issue;

What are some exceptions to the right to free speech?

Exceptions to free speech in the United States refers to categories of speech that are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing for limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech

United States free speech exceptions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Honest opinions only please.

Maxine Waters telling people to go after Republicans and Trump voters.
That's going too far.
Don't you think???

Did she incite violence and if so how?

^^^^This from the person who only wants honesty.

Funny how he cant bring himself to condemn this.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Consider the concept of evolving standards of human rights.

Objectively, and i mean from a very broad objective, the more humans, the less freedom, and by proxy rights we'll have PP

~S~

I can't say that I understand you very well . Can you please speak human?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I have a serious question for everyone. All rights have limitations and free speech is no exception. The question is, does the example below cross the line. Does it violate what should be allowed because it can be interpreted as inciting violence? A second question which may complicate the issue further might be whether or not freedom of religion might protect this speech.


Personally I am undecided on the first question because he is not telling people to commit acts of violence. On the other hand, is giving them permission, and planting a suggestion to commit violence, and as we know, that is all it takes to light a fire under certain people.


As for it being protected under the religious freedom clause, I don't think so. The fact that he is a preacher is not sufficient to grant him that protection. That is especially true given the fact that he is not citing any religious dogma to justify his words. Here is what he said:

http://[URL='https://www.patheos.co... Be Violence’ If Trump Is Removed From Office

[/URL]

Threats of violence: Christian TV Host Rick Wiles warns that “there is going to be violence in America” if Trump is impeached and removed from office.

Appearing on his TruNews program earlier this week Wiles declared that if President Donald Trump is removed from office his supporters who “know how to fight” will target Democratic lawmakers responsible for removing Trump and “hunt them down.”

Wiles said:

Here is some guidance on the issue;

What are some exceptions to the right to free speech?

Exceptions to free speech in the United States refers to categories of speech that are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing for limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech

United States free speech exceptions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Honest opinions only please.

Maxine Waters telling people to go after Republicans and Trump voters.
That's going too far.
Don't you think???

Did she incite violence and if so how?

^^^^This from the person who only wants honesty.

Funny how he cant bring himself to condemn this.

Condemn what exactly?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I have a serious question for everyone. All rights have limitations and free speech is no exception. The question is, does the example below cross the line. Does it violate what should be allowed because it can be interpreted as inciting violence? A second question which may complicate the issue further might be whether or not freedom of religion might protect this speech.


Personally I am undecided on the first question because he is not telling people to commit acts of violence. On the other hand, is giving them permission, and planting a suggestion to commit violence, and as we know, that is all it takes to light a fire under certain people.


As for it being protected under the religious freedom clause, I don't think so. The fact that he is a preacher is not sufficient to grant him that protection. That is especially true given the fact that he is not citing any religious dogma to justify his words. Here is what he said:

http://[URL='https://www.patheos.co... Be Violence’ If Trump Is Removed From Office

[/URL]

Threats of violence: Christian TV Host Rick Wiles warns that “there is going to be violence in America” if Trump is impeached and removed from office.

Appearing on his TruNews program earlier this week Wiles declared that if President Donald Trump is removed from office his supporters who “know how to fight” will target Democratic lawmakers responsible for removing Trump and “hunt them down.”

Wiles said:

If they take him out, there is going to be violence in America. There are people in this country—veterans, cowboys, mountain men, guys that know how to fight—and they’re going to make a decision that the people that did this to Donald Trump are not going to get away with it and they’re going to hunt them down.

Here is some guidance on the issue;

What are some exceptions to the right to free speech?

Exceptions to free speech in the United States refers to categories of speech that are not protected by the First Amendment. According to the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Constitution protects free speech while allowing for limitations on certain categories of speech. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech

United States free speech exceptions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Honest opinions only please.

He didnt make a personal threat, he issued a warning. I agree.

Personally, I WILL target you at the ballot box. And I'm not worried. Your political lynching will fail. I have no doubt. God is with this man. You are fighting GOD.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I have a serious question for everyone. All rights have limitations and free speech is no exception. The question is, does the example below cross the line. Does it violate what should be allowed because it can be interpreted as inciting violence? A second question which may complicate the issue further might be whether or not freedom of religion might protect this speech.


Personally I am undecided on the first question because he is not telling people to commit acts of violence. On the other hand, is giving them permission, and planting a suggestion to commit violence, and as we know, that is all it takes to light a fire under certain people.


As for it being protected under the religious freedom clause, I don't think so. The fact that he is a preacher is not sufficient to grant him that protection. That is especially true given the fact that he is not citing any religious dogma to justify his words. Here is what he said:

http://[URL='https://www.patheos.co... Be Violence’ If Trump Is Removed From Office

[/URL]


Here is some guidance on the issue;
Honest opinions only please.

Maxine Waters telling people to go after Republicans and Trump voters.
That's going too far.
Don't you think???

Did she incite violence and if so how?

^^^^This from the person who only wants honesty.

Funny how he cant bring himself to condemn this.

Condemn what exactly?

Maxine Waters inciting violence. You're not an honest person.

 

[sparky]

Consider the concept of evolving standards of human rights.

Objectively, and i mean from a very broad objective, the more humans, the less freedom, and by proxy rights we'll have PP

~S~

I can't say that I understand you very well . Can you please speak human?

apologies ,my adhd, etc etc.... PP

Yes there are 'evolving standards' of human rights, in fact they've always been in flux

We could ring up any given point in time, and debate just how 'free' we were in terms of rights, laws, or even in the case of the lack of them

Historically , we could consider any given point in our history , from the Magna Carta on forward a millennium to current times.

And as our rights are also synonymous with our freedoms , a metric can be delineated. No need to re invent that wheel either, as we can find various groups on line who's aspirations are just that.

BUT, one factor is undeniably population density

This is one sore subject when it comes to 'rights' , because individual rights decline , when one has little chance to actually exist as an individual alone

~S~

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Maxine Waters telling people to go after Republicans and Trump voters.
That's going too far.
Don't you think???

Did she incite violence and if so how?

^^^^This from the person who only wants honesty.

Funny how he cant bring himself to condemn this.

Condemn what exactly?

Maxine Waters inciting violence. You're not an honest person.

I don't recall. I'm waiting for you to explain. But in any case, what ever she did or said does not negate or mitigate what this so called man of god said. Try dealing with that instead of always making about someone else,

 

[miketx]

Did she incite violence and if so how?

^^^^This from the person who only wants honesty.

Funny how he cant bring himself to condemn this.

Condemn what exactly?

Maxine Waters inciting violence. You're not an honest person.

I don't recall. I'm waiting for you to explain. But in any case, what ever she did or said does not negate or mitigate what this so called man of god said. Try dealing with that instead of always making about someone else,

Sure you do, you just lie and say otherwise.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Did she incite violence and if so how?

^^^^This from the person who only wants honesty.

Funny how he cant bring himself to condemn this.

Condemn what exactly?

Maxine Waters inciting violence. You're not an honest person.

I don't recall. I'm waiting for you to explain. But in any case, what ever she did or said does not negate or mitigate what this so called man of god said. Try dealing with that instead of always making about someone else,

I did. Read my post more carefully. He DIDNT do as Waters COMMANDED her rabble to do.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

A warning to trump supporters Brought to you from the left's freedom fighters who wrap themselves in soviet flags



a brainwashed misfit angry little half a fag a member of antifa .....gee that's uusual
And I have no problem with him saying any of it ..but if we apply lefty rules that they wanna force upon you ....even through the courts which thier are tons of examples of then that should be a no no ....I mean we keep hearing about how moral and what values all these wonderful progressives have ....

So


Here comes the condemnations from the left...thats is after they're done ripping up an antiabortion poster and attack the person of carrying it all while accusing the person of displaying the sign as a promoter of hate and violence against women ...

Or someone watching a video in public that was over heard

Or someone doing the tomahawk chop
Or some kid in a maga hat just standing there and smiling while off in the background ******* are screaming racial slurs


And they wonder why somedays some of us hope for civil war 2 to turn hot

The number in nations
The god in their hearts
The justice in swine
The devil in god


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So what your saying is lefties dont acucuse other of promotion hate an violence over nothing ,or something they disagree with

Really that's a lie . Funny I was told that modern man still doesnt know how ancients kangz moved giant blocks of stone that modern White 20th and 21 technology still can't do ..
...it was a lie I was called a liar for it

All lies

Thats right I'm liar ,racist , nazi , homophobe ,xenophobe, islamaphobe
Oh yeah and my words are violent and hateful
You dont feel safe

Zzzzzzzzzzzz


What your personal pronoun so I dont offend you
Is fresh and fruity acceptable?
Continue on being just a dumb whore ...its your right to



Lefty nazis whaddya gonna do eh
Sigh
Just one of the reasons why thiers no high road to take with them
Still a lot of normies out there that need to wake up to that

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

Freedom of speech is, in this time period, under constant flux. We are told now that making the "ok" sign with your hand (a form of speech) is racist now. We read of three Connecticut college students being arrested and charged with a hate crime for shouting the n-word (while foul-mouthed), should it be a crime? Or is it protected free speech?

It seems on a daily basis we must take care in any words we utter, or signs we make, to keep from offending someone. However, just being offended should not be a criteria for turning protected speech into a crime.

It seems to me that these social constructs on what is unprotected speech outweigh ones right to protected free speech.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Freedom of speech is, in this time period, under constant flux. We are told now that making the "ok" sign with your hand (a form of speech) is racist now. We read of three Connecticut college students being arrested and charged with a hate crime for shouting the n-word (while foul-mouthed), should it be a crime? Or is it protected free speech?

It seems on a daily basis we must take care in any words we utter, or signs we make, to keep from offending someone. However, just being offended should not be a criteria for turning protected speech into a crime.

It seems to me that these social constructs on what is unprotected speech outweigh ones right to protected free speech.

It's only going to get worse ..

I dont think thiers any turning around from this darkness that has engulfed the nation it only gets year after year ....by design...When you start banning words from the dictionary like ****** and lynching...for silly reasons .... as a civilization? you're in a downward spiral as we barrel toward an Orwellian nightmare.......pretty much

The retards in Connecticut mucaj and karal go to white castle ........are scheduled to appear in court on Oct. 30. They're not dark enough to make the top of the victimhood oppression list
Just walking playing a stupid game by themselves....



The cherry is someone felt the need to snitch to the " authorities "to get thier vodka ration up'd a 5th and brownie points for stopping the hate.......and violence

The satsi stool pigeons are everywhere
Left winger nazi are pathetic petulant childish mindless sheep..

I dont feel safe ...I need an adult! I need an adult !

UConn President Thomas Katsouleas released a statement reacting to the arrests, saying, “It is supportive of our core values to pursue accountability, through due process, for an egregious assault on our community that has caused considerable harm. I’m grateful for the university’s collective effort in responding to this incident, especially the hard work of the UConn Police Department, which has been investigating the case since it was reported.

Yes those core values ...of being leftwing progressive nazi ...authoritarian freaks .
Was it a tasteless act committed in public ...by third word savages ..

Yep
And now they must be investigated ? And forced into some sort of sensitivity class ..or fined or maybe even imprisoned (see western europe)


As a doom pronographer said :
Regrets are a luxury permitted only to the survivors.
Outlive the bastards who want to rob, cage, rape, and eventually murder you and your family.

Lewis fits to

A great many of those who 'debunk' traditional...values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process

C. S. Lewis

Infriggindeed!

 

[pismoe]

Consider the concept of evolving standards of human rights.

Objectively, and i mean from a very broad objective, the more humans, the less freedom, and by proxy rights we'll have PP

~S~

I can't say that I understand you very well . Can you please speak human?

apologies ,my adhd, etc etc.... PP

Yes there are 'evolving standards' of human rights, in fact they've always been in flux

We could ring up any given point in time, and debate just how 'free' we were in terms of rights, laws, or even in the case of the lack of them

Historically , we could consider any given point in our history , from the Magna Carta on forward a millennium to current times.

And as our rights are also synonymous with our freedoms , a metric can be delineated. No need to re invent that wheel either, as we can find various groups on line who's aspirations are just that.

BUT, one factor is undeniably population density

This is one sore subject when it comes to 'rights' , because individual rights decline , when one has little chance to actually exist as an individual alone

~S~

population density and diversity is the problem and is why Free Speech will be lost in the USA .

 

[sparky]

well we're still 'free' to howl in the ascii wilderness pismoe.....~S~

 

[pismoe]

I've long predicted what I said in post number 38 , There are Barbarians or 5th Column at the gates Sparky .