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AMO is not the cause of the Arctic ice decline.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline?


The Arctic Ocean has lost more than 30 percent of its summer ice cover in the last thirty years. Scientists have long thought that climate change is to blame, but a new study provides more evidence for that idea. Credit: Patrick Kelley, U.S. Coast Guard. High Resolution Image
Readers sometimes ask us, “What are the reasons behind Arctic sea ice decline?” In summer months, ice extent has declined by more than 30 percent since the start of satellite observations in 1979. But is climate change really the culprit, or could other factors be contributing?Scientists have long suspected that the decline in summer sea ice was too strong to be caused by natural variations, such as weather patterns that cause fast changes in ice extent. Climate model simulations have shown that sea ice will decline as the Arctic gets warmer. But Arctic ice has declined faster than models predicted, raising the possibility that massive sea ice loss was caused at least in part by natural variations in weather. This month, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany released a new study examining all the possible drivers for the observed sea ice retreat. Study lead Dirk Notz said, “There has always been the chance that we simply observed a freak encounter of unusual natural variability with very low ice cover.” Looking for a smoking gun Notz said, “The whole study was based on ruling out one possible cause after the other.” The team looked at each possible cause of ice loss, using statistical analyses to determine whether a particular cause could explain the ice decline. The scientists first considered natural variability, or the effect of short-term and seasonal weather conditions and winds. While variable winds and weather clearly play a role in how much ice melts each summer, they found that the amount of variability was far too low to explain the intensity of the decline. The researchers then looked at the possibility that ice loss was leading to more ice loss, in a vicious cycle known as a positive feedback loop. As ice declines, the increased areas of open water absorb more heat, which can then melt more ice. This is one reason that researchers are concerned about declining sea ice. However, the new study concluded that such a feedback cannot explain the amount of ice loss that has already occurred. Notz said, “After each year with an extreme ice loss, the ice cover always recovered somewhat. Self acceleration is not a major player in the Arctic at the moment.” Notz and colleagues then looked at other possible drivers for ice decline, ranging from solar radiation and cosmic rays, to volcanic eruptions, wind patterns, and oceanic heat transport. For all of these potential causes, their analysis showed that none of these were correlated with ice extent.[Which would include your AMO] “In the end, only the increase in CO2 remained on our list of possible drivers,” Notz said, “We find a clear, physically plausible correlation of increasing CO2 and decreasing sea-ice cover.” While other research has previously shown a connection between sea ice decline and global warming, most of those studies focused on climate models. The new study provides an independent confirmation that sea ice is in fact declining because of human-caused climate change. References Notz, D., and J. Marotzke. 2012. Observations reveal external driver for Arctic sea-ice retreat, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L08502, doi:10.1029/2012GL051094.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline? | National Snow and Ice Data Center
 
AMO is not the cause of the Arctic ice decline.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline?


The Arctic Ocean has lost more than 30 percent of its summer ice cover in the last thirty years. Scientists have long thought that climate change is to blame, but a new study provides more evidence for that idea. Credit: Patrick Kelley, U.S. Coast Guard. High Resolution Image
Readers sometimes ask us, “What are the reasons behind Arctic sea ice decline?” In summer months, ice extent has declined by more than 30 percent since the start of satellite observations in 1979. But is climate change really the culprit, or could other factors be contributing?Scientists have long suspected that the decline in summer sea ice was too strong to be caused by natural variations, such as weather patterns that cause fast changes in ice extent. Climate model simulations have shown that sea ice will decline as the Arctic gets warmer. But Arctic ice has declined faster than models predicted, raising the possibility that massive sea ice loss was caused at least in part by natural variations in weather. This month, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany released a new study examining all the possible drivers for the observed sea ice retreat. Study lead Dirk Notz said, “There has always been the chance that we simply observed a freak encounter of unusual natural variability with very low ice cover.” Looking for a smoking gun Notz said, “The whole study was based on ruling out one possible cause after the other.” The team looked at each possible cause of ice loss, using statistical analyses to determine whether a particular cause could explain the ice decline. The scientists first considered natural variability, or the effect of short-term and seasonal weather conditions and winds. While variable winds and weather clearly play a role in how much ice melts each summer, they found that the amount of variability was far too low to explain the intensity of the decline. The researchers then looked at the possibility that ice loss was leading to more ice loss, in a vicious cycle known as a positive feedback loop. As ice declines, the increased areas of open water absorb more heat, which can then melt more ice. This is one reason that researchers are concerned about declining sea ice. However, the new study concluded that such a feedback cannot explain the amount of ice loss that has already occurred. Notz said, “After each year with an extreme ice loss, the ice cover always recovered somewhat. Self acceleration is not a major player in the Arctic at the moment.” Notz and colleagues then looked at other possible drivers for ice decline, ranging from solar radiation and cosmic rays, to volcanic eruptions, wind patterns, and oceanic heat transport. For all of these potential causes, their analysis showed that none of these were correlated with ice extent.[Which would include your AMO] “In the end, only the increase in CO2 remained on our list of possible drivers,” Notz said, “We find a clear, physically plausible correlation of increasing CO2 and decreasing sea-ice cover.” While other research has previously shown a connection between sea ice decline and global warming, most of those studies focused on climate models. The new study provides an independent confirmation that sea ice is in fact declining because of human-caused climate change. References Notz, D., and J. Marotzke. 2012. Observations reveal external driver for Arctic sea-ice retreat, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L08502, doi:10.1029/2012GL051094.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline? | National Snow and Ice Data Center

Oh Gawd.....not this shit again?!!:flirtysmile4:

What part of nobody cares do you not get? 25 years of the same tired narrative....the public could not possibly be any less interested! Are you thinking you'll get some kind of grassroots movement from this site?:113:

So now it's not definitely caused by CO2.....its definitely, definitely caused by CO2!!:bye1::bye1::deal:. Ok.
 
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AMO is not the cause of the Arctic ice decline.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline?


The Arctic Ocean has lost more than 30 percent of its summer ice cover in the last thirty years. Scientists have long thought that climate change is to blame, but a new study provides more evidence for that idea. Credit: Patrick Kelley, U.S. Coast Guard. High Resolution Image
Readers sometimes ask us, “What are the reasons behind Arctic sea ice decline?” In summer months, ice extent has declined by more than 30 percent since the start of satellite observations in 1979. But is climate change really the culprit, or could other factors be contributing?Scientists have long suspected that the decline in summer sea ice was too strong to be caused by natural variations, such as weather patterns that cause fast changes in ice extent. Climate model simulations have shown that sea ice will decline as the Arctic gets warmer. But Arctic ice has declined faster than models predicted, raising the possibility that massive sea ice loss was caused at least in part by natural variations in weather. This month, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany released a new study examining all the possible drivers for the observed sea ice retreat. Study lead Dirk Notz said, “There has always been the chance that we simply observed a freak encounter of unusual natural variability with very low ice cover.” Looking for a smoking gun Notz said, “The whole study was based on ruling out one possible cause after the other.” The team looked at each possible cause of ice loss, using statistical analyses to determine whether a particular cause could explain the ice decline. The scientists first considered natural variability, or the effect of short-term and seasonal weather conditions and winds. While variable winds and weather clearly play a role in how much ice melts each summer, they found that the amount of variability was far too low to explain the intensity of the decline. The researchers then looked at the possibility that ice loss was leading to more ice loss, in a vicious cycle known as a positive feedback loop. As ice declines, the increased areas of open water absorb more heat, which can then melt more ice. This is one reason that researchers are concerned about declining sea ice. However, the new study concluded that such a feedback cannot explain the amount of ice loss that has already occurred. Notz said, “After each year with an extreme ice loss, the ice cover always recovered somewhat. Self acceleration is not a major player in the Arctic at the moment.” Notz and colleagues then looked at other possible drivers for ice decline, ranging from solar radiation and cosmic rays, to volcanic eruptions, wind patterns, and oceanic heat transport. For all of these potential causes, their analysis showed that none of these were correlated with ice extent.[Which would include your AMO] “In the end, only the increase in CO2 remained on our list of possible drivers,” Notz said, “We find a clear, physically plausible correlation of increasing CO2 and decreasing sea-ice cover.” While other research has previously shown a connection between sea ice decline and global warming, most of those studies focused on climate models. The new study provides an independent confirmation that sea ice is in fact declining because of human-caused climate change. References Notz, D., and J. Marotzke. 2012. Observations reveal external driver for Arctic sea-ice retreat, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L08502, doi:10.1029/2012GL051094.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline? | National Snow and Ice Data Center
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Now that's funny....

Over 35 papers this year alone disprove the narrative...

Over and over again.....
 
The repeated "there will be no arctic ice left in the summer" predictions that never came close to happening, now it appears that it is in the beginning stage of getting bigger again.

Bullshit

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Same shit different day. You really are an idiot...Here, have some natural variability. The long view destroys your short view cherry picking.


Arctic-Sea-Ice-Extent-North-of-Iceland-3000-Years-Moffa-S%C3%A1nchez-and-Hall-2017.jpg
 
The repeated "there will be no arctic ice left in the summer" predictions that never came close to happening, now it appears that it is in the beginning stage of getting bigger again.

Bullshit

piomas-trnd9.png

Yep.... the cherry picking of data by the climate crusaders has become so predictable. So has the fakery....


Same shit different day. You really are an idiot...Here, have some natural variability. The long view destroys your short view cherry picking.


Arctic-Sea-Ice-Extent-North-of-Iceland-3000-Years-Moffa-S%C3%A1nchez-and-Hall-2017.jpg

I notice you use graphs that quantify measures on both axis'.....the Crick graphs display, well, dick. No quantifiable measures on his graphs = ghey.

@www.whosnotwinning.com
 
The repeated "there will be no arctic ice left in the summer" predictions that never came close to happening, now it appears that it is in the beginning stage of getting bigger again.

Bullshit

piomas-trnd9.png

Yep.... the cherry picking of data by the climate crusaders has become so predictable. So has the fakery....


Same shit different day. You really are an idiot...Here, have some natural variability. The long view destroys your short view cherry picking.


Arctic-Sea-Ice-Extent-North-of-Iceland-3000-Years-Moffa-S%C3%A1nchez-and-Hall-2017.jpg

I notice you use graphs that quantify measures on both axis'.....the Crick graphs display, well, dick. No quantifiable measures on his graphs = ghey.

@www.whosnotwinning.com

Crock uses the least quality sea ice chart he can find because it has a LOWER resolution than Masie or SII,

here is what Masie and SII shows for September lows since 2007:

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A slight increase over the 10 year period.
 
AMO is not the cause of the Arctic ice decline.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline?


The Arctic Ocean has lost more than 30 percent of its summer ice cover in the last thirty years. Scientists have long thought that climate change is to blame, but a new study provides more evidence for that idea. Credit: Patrick Kelley, U.S. Coast Guard. High Resolution Image
Readers sometimes ask us, “What are the reasons behind Arctic sea ice decline?” In summer months, ice extent has declined by more than 30 percent since the start of satellite observations in 1979. But is climate change really the culprit, or could other factors be contributing?Scientists have long suspected that the decline in summer sea ice was too strong to be caused by natural variations, such as weather patterns that cause fast changes in ice extent. Climate model simulations have shown that sea ice will decline as the Arctic gets warmer. But Arctic ice has declined faster than models predicted, raising the possibility that massive sea ice loss was caused at least in part by natural variations in weather. This month, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany released a new study examining all the possible drivers for the observed sea ice retreat. Study lead Dirk Notz said, “There has always been the chance that we simply observed a freak encounter of unusual natural variability with very low ice cover.” Looking for a smoking gun Notz said, “The whole study was based on ruling out one possible cause after the other.” The team looked at each possible cause of ice loss, using statistical analyses to determine whether a particular cause could explain the ice decline. The scientists first considered natural variability, or the effect of short-term and seasonal weather conditions and winds. While variable winds and weather clearly play a role in how much ice melts each summer, they found that the amount of variability was far too low to explain the intensity of the decline. The researchers then looked at the possibility that ice loss was leading to more ice loss, in a vicious cycle known as a positive feedback loop. As ice declines, the increased areas of open water absorb more heat, which can then melt more ice. This is one reason that researchers are concerned about declining sea ice. However, the new study concluded that such a feedback cannot explain the amount of ice loss that has already occurred. Notz said, “After each year with an extreme ice loss, the ice cover always recovered somewhat. Self acceleration is not a major player in the Arctic at the moment.” Notz and colleagues then looked at other possible drivers for ice decline, ranging from solar radiation and cosmic rays, to volcanic eruptions, wind patterns, and oceanic heat transport. For all of these potential causes, their analysis showed that none of these were correlated with ice extent.[Which would include your AMO] “In the end, only the increase in CO2 remained on our list of possible drivers,” Notz said, “We find a clear, physically plausible correlation of increasing CO2 and decreasing sea-ice cover.” While other research has previously shown a connection between sea ice decline and global warming, most of those studies focused on climate models. The new study provides an independent confirmation that sea ice is in fact declining because of human-caused climate change. References Notz, D., and J. Marotzke. 2012. Observations reveal external driver for Arctic sea-ice retreat, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L08502, doi:10.1029/2012GL051094.

What is causing Arctic sea ice decline? | National Snow and Ice Data Center
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Now that's funny....

Over 35 papers this year alone disprove the narrative...

Over and over again.....


Then let's see some.
 
Then let's see some.

Your primary problem, skidmark, is that you only look at the short view. That being the case, your masters show you a decline. If you look at even a slightly longer view, you see an oscillation.

Arctic Sea ice grew in the period from the 1940's to the 1980's. You never look back far enough to see the trend, you only look back as far as your masters allow you to look and therefore only see the tail end of an oscillation.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/02626667.2017.1324974

Clip: According to this new dataset, the recent period of Arctic sea ice retreat since the 1970s followed a period of sea ice growth after the mid 1940s, which in turn followed a period of sea ice retreat after the 1910s. Our reconstructions agree with previous studies that have noted a general decrease in Arctic sea ice extent (for all four seasons) since the start of the satellite era (1979). However, the timing of the start of the satellite era is unfortunate in that it coincided with the end of several decades during which Arctic sea ice extent was generally increasing. This late-1970s reversal in sea ice trends was not captured by the hindcasts of the recent CMIP5 climate models used for the latest IPCC reports, which suggests that current climate models are still quite poor at modelling past sea ice trends. Nor is it described in previous Arctic sea ice reconstructions such as the Walsh dataset or the widely used HadISST sea ice dataset, although some recent studies have noted similar reversals, e.g. Pirón and Pasalodos (2016) and Alekseev et al. (2016)."

A thinking person may also wonder about the sharp increase of sea ice in the Antarctic...If humanity is causing the ice to melt, why would ice be increasing in the south...and why would the ice be rebounding in the arctic over the past few years in spite of increasing CO2?
 
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Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?
 
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Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?
Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?


Again...two TRILLION of ice have been added to the arctic since 2016. CO2 has been increasing as has the ice. For all your doomsaying, the arctic ice is only off the mean by a few percent...you act as if you think the ice has been as it was in the 70's back to the beginning of time...you actually believe that don't you...that the ice has been unchanging since the beginning of time? What a dupe you are skidmark.
 
Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?
Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?


Again...two TRILLION of ice have been added to the arctic since 2016. CO2 has been increasing as has the ice. For all your doomsaying, the arctic ice is only off the mean by a few percent...you act as if you think the ice has been as it was in the 70's back to the beginning of time...you actually believe that don't you...that the ice has been unchanging since the beginning of time? What a dupe you are skidmark.

That is part of the problem with warmists who never seem to know that cycles exist in almost anything related to weather and climate.
 
Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?
Perhaps you've forgotten that the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by ocean. Did you expect them to behave identically?


Again...two TRILLION of ice have been added to the arctic since 2016. CO2 has been increasing as has the ice. For all your doomsaying, the arctic ice is only off the mean by a few percent...you act as if you think the ice has been as it was in the 70's back to the beginning of time...you actually believe that don't you...that the ice has been unchanging since the beginning of time? What a dupe you are skidmark.

That is part of the problem with warmists who never seem to know that cycles exist in almost anything related to weather and climate.

Look at practically any linear graph they provide...it will invariably be the downward, or upward part of a cycle. They cherry pick the part of the cycle that supports the narrative and then pretend that prior to the upward swing or downward swing, it was a flat line back to the beginning of time. Without fail, if you look back at the larger picture, their proclamations of doom are laughable.
 

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