We Don't Owe Them Anything': Mom of Son Killed By DREAMer, Rejects Path to Citizenship

[bullwinkle]

Mexico isn't "sending" anyone.

It's such a miserable place to live that people are willing to do anything to escape it.

North Korea shoots people who are trying to escape. Mexico helps them pack.
.

...and American citizens owe these fence jumpers nothing, it does not matter if it was their choice or not.
Why should the American people be forced to pay for something that only has the prospect of a diminishing return… Max

I must presume your ancestors came to America pre-1894 what ALL immigrants were 'fence jumpers'. Ever wonder whose jobs they took away?

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem with the DACA recipients that Democrats keep trotting out is that they seem like ungrateful, lawless, entitlement brats..

That sounds like your typical American teenage attitude.

 

[RDD_1210]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

A Washington Times story today reported that a new study in AZ found that illegals commit twice as many crimes as Americans, they are only 3% of the population but make up 8% of the prison population. Worse, the crimes illegals commit are more serious crimes. The study also found that LEGAL immigrants, those who obey our immigration laws and come here legally are even more law abiding than native born Americans. There you have it, legal vs illegal immigration.

Did you know that illegals have killed more Americans than terrorists killed during the attacks on 9/11. The powers that be have been white washing illegal crime for decades while scheming to gift these people amnesty and a path to citizenship. Ignoring the number of Americans who have been killed, raped, assaulted by these illegals.

“The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimesdisproportionate to their population

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear anddemonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation’s population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime ofmurder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prisonpopulation of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for thecrime of homicide.”
The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Thanks for proving my point. You somehow equate all illegal immigrants to being Dreamers. False.

I don't think blaming a million for the act of one is rational.

This is just 1 of a million stories though.

Okay, how many murders per 100,000 so-called dreamers have there been?

If one dreamer committing a murder is your primary argument for deporting a million of them,

then why isn't the one white conservative murderer at the Charlottesville protests a valid argument for rounding up a million white conservatives and banishing them to somewhere?

Hmmm, I’m thinking Donny had it nailed when he said:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

The mother of an 18-year-old boy brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant DREAMer spoke out Saturday against Democratic plans for a pathway to citizenship for illegals.

On "Fox & Friends," Laura Wilkerson said she was "not excited" by the most likely iterations of immigration reform compromises.

"We were promised no-DACA and [that we would] build the wall," she said.

Her son Josh Wilkerson was beaten with a rod, fatally strangled and set on fire by a 19-year-old illegal immigrant.
'We Don't Owe Them Anything': Mom of Son Killed By DREAMer Rips Protests, Rejects Path to Citizenship

{"We were promised no-DACA and [that we would] build the wall," she said.} I don't recall a promise of "No DACA", but I do vividly remember that promise that Mexico would build a wall as it was shouted to the rafters on several occasions. I am genuinely sorry her son was so brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant. Has it been proven that the murderer is a Dreamer? I understand the Dreamers must be free of any misdemeanors, let alone felonies, to qualify as a Dreamer. Anybody?

Okay...just to be clear, ‘some wackos’ have now created several groups of illegals....am I right? Is this so various debates can be steered and spun in different directions?
Let’s go ahead and identify the groups we have.
Plain old illegals
DREAMers....(DreamAct)
DACA “kids”
Am I missing any other not so cleverly repackaged labels?

Are all criminals the same? Yes, all criminals commit crimes, but all crimes are not equal and thus not all punishments are equal. The same holds true for illegal immigrants.

Get it yet?

 

[RDD_1210]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

Hold on a minute...the editorial says he is a DREAMer...do you know him personally or something? You sound awfully sure.

Conservative Media called him a dreamer because according to the Conservative media all illegals are Dreamers. No one else refers to him as a Dreamer.

Dreamers is A politically correct term much like climate change… in an attempt in Changing the reality of the situation

False. But cute story.

 

[RDD_1210]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

A Washington Times story today reported that a new study in AZ found that illegals commit twice as many crimes as Americans, they are only 3% of the population but make up 8% of the prison population. Worse, the crimes illegals commit are more serious crimes. The study also found that LEGAL immigrants, those who obey our immigration laws and come here legally are even more law abiding than native born Americans. There you have it, legal vs illegal immigration.

Did you know that illegals have killed more Americans than terrorists killed during the attacks on 9/11. The powers that be have been white washing illegal crime for decades while scheming to gift these people amnesty and a path to citizenship. Ignoring the number of Americans who have been killed, raped, assaulted by these illegals.

“The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimesdisproportionate to their population

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear anddemonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation’s population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime ofmurder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prisonpopulation of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for thecrime of homicide.”
The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Thanks for proving my point. You somehow equate all illegal immigrants to being Dreamers. False.

Illegal is illegal no matter what term you put on it

Wrong again but hey, at least you're consistent.

 

[Rustic]

I don't think blaming a million for the act of one is rational.

This is just 1 of a million stories though.

Okay, how many murders per 100,000 so-called dreamers have there been?

No one knows because no one has an accurate count on how many illegal aliens are in this country

So you can't argue that crime is a good argument for deporting dreamers who have committed no crimes.

I never said anything about deporting, I said they need to go to the back of the line.
They can live here but they have to pay to play while they wait 12 - 15 or more years.

 

[Rustic]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

Hold on a minute...the editorial says he is a DREAMer...do you know him personally or something? You sound awfully sure.

Conservative Media called him a dreamer because according to the Conservative media all illegals are Dreamers. No one else refers to him as a Dreamer.

Dreamers is A politically correct term much like climate change… in an attempt in Changing the reality of the situation

False. But cute story.

Political correctness makes everybody look like a fool yourself included

 

[Rustic]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

A Washington Times story today reported that a new study in AZ found that illegals commit twice as many crimes as Americans, they are only 3% of the population but make up 8% of the prison population. Worse, the crimes illegals commit are more serious crimes. The study also found that LEGAL immigrants, those who obey our immigration laws and come here legally are even more law abiding than native born Americans. There you have it, legal vs illegal immigration.

Did you know that illegals have killed more Americans than terrorists killed during the attacks on 9/11. The powers that be have been white washing illegal crime for decades while scheming to gift these people amnesty and a path to citizenship. Ignoring the number of Americans who have been killed, raped, assaulted by these illegals.

“The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimesdisproportionate to their population

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear anddemonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation’s population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime ofmurder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prisonpopulation of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for thecrime of homicide.”
The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Thanks for proving my point. You somehow equate all illegal immigrants to being Dreamers. False.

Illegal is illegal no matter what term you put on it

Wrong again but hey, at least you're consistent.

Immigration is a privilege not a right

 

[Rustic]

Mexico isn't "sending" anyone.

It's such a miserable place to live that people are willing to do anything to escape it.

North Korea shoots people who are trying to escape. Mexico helps them pack.
.

...and American citizens owe these fence jumpers nothing, it does not matter if it was their choice or not.
Why should the American people be forced to pay for something that only has the prospect of a diminishing return… Max

I must presume your ancestors came to America pre-1894 what ALL immigrants were 'fence jumpers'. Ever wonder whose jobs they took away?

Oglala Sioux are my ancestors, Americas first slave owners…

 

[Rustic]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

A Washington Times story today reported that a new study in AZ found that illegals commit twice as many crimes as Americans, they are only 3% of the population but make up 8% of the prison population. Worse, the crimes illegals commit are more serious crimes. The study also found that LEGAL immigrants, those who obey our immigration laws and come here legally are even more law abiding than native born Americans. There you have it, legal vs illegal immigration.

Did you know that illegals have killed more Americans than terrorists killed during the attacks on 9/11. The powers that be have been white washing illegal crime for decades while scheming to gift these people amnesty and a path to citizenship. Ignoring the number of Americans who have been killed, raped, assaulted by these illegals.

“The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimesdisproportionate to their population

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear anddemonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation’s population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime ofmurder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prisonpopulation of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for thecrime of homicide.”
The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Thanks for proving my point. You somehow equate all illegal immigrants to being Dreamers. False.

I don't think blaming a million for the act of one is rational.

This is just 1 of a million stories though.

Okay, how many murders per 100,000 so-called dreamers have there been?

If one dreamer committing a murder is your primary argument for deporting a million of them,

then why isn't the one white conservative murderer at the Charlottesville protests a valid argument for rounding up a million white conservatives and banishing them to somewhere?

Hmmm, I’m thinking Donny had it nailed when he said:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

The mother of an 18-year-old boy brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant DREAMer spoke out Saturday against Democratic plans for a pathway to citizenship for illegals.

On "Fox & Friends," Laura Wilkerson said she was "not excited" by the most likely iterations of immigration reform compromises.

"We were promised no-DACA and [that we would] build the wall," she said.

Her son Josh Wilkerson was beaten with a rod, fatally strangled and set on fire by a 19-year-old illegal immigrant.
'We Don't Owe Them Anything': Mom of Son Killed By DREAMer Rips Protests, Rejects Path to Citizenship

{"We were promised no-DACA and [that we would] build the wall," she said.} I don't recall a promise of "No DACA", but I do vividly remember that promise that Mexico would build a wall as it was shouted to the rafters on several occasions. I am genuinely sorry her son was so brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant. Has it been proven that the murderer is a Dreamer? I understand the Dreamers must be free of any misdemeanors, let alone felonies, to qualify as a Dreamer. Anybody?

Okay...just to be clear, ‘some wackos’ have now created several groups of illegals....am I right? Is this so various debates can be steered and spun in different directions?
Let’s go ahead and identify the groups we have.
Plain old illegals
DREAMers....(DreamAct)
DACA “kids”
Am I missing any other not so cleverly repackaged labels?

Are all criminals the same? Yes, all criminals commit crimes, but all crimes are not equal and thus not all punishments are equal. The same holds true for illegal immigrants.

Get it yet?

Illegal immigrants have no credibility to start with, because they are breaking the law to begin with. Whether they choose to or not… They need to go to the back of the line and wait…

 

[bullwinkle]

Just because someone is a so-called dreamer does not make them a good person… Illegal is illegal no matter what term is used

The problem with the DACA recipients that Democrats keep trotting out is that they seem like ungrateful, lawless, entitlement brats..

That sounds like your typical American teenage attitude.

With few exceptions, we are ALL children of immigrants. This current tone of anti-immigration sort of reminds me of the line in Genesis. One chapter extols all the policies and innovations of Joseph that saved the nation of Egypt during hard times, and the next chapter begins..."now there rose up a new Pharaoh which knew not Joseph" to begin the story of the enslavement of Joseph's extended family. We too have forgotten where we came from. The people we despise as foreign could have been our own ancestors. Not to mention the current tenor of animus towards strangers in our land belies the very core of what we once stood for.

 

[Rustic]

Just because someone is a so-called dreamer does not make them a good person… Illegal is illegal no matter what term is used

The problem with the DACA recipients that Democrats keep trotting out is that they seem like ungrateful, lawless, entitlement brats..

That sounds like your typical American teenage attitude.

With few exceptions, we are ALL children of immigrants. This current tone of anti-immigration sort of reminds me of the line in Genesis. One chapter extols all the policies and innovations of Joseph that saved the nation of Egypt during hard times, and the next chapter begins..."now there rose up a new Pharaoh which knew not Joseph" to begin the story of the enslavement of Joseph's extended family. We too have forgotten where we came from. The people we despise as foreign could have been our own ancestors. Not to mention the current tenor of animus towards strangers in our land belies the very core of what we once stood for.

Still immigration is a privilege not a right

 

[Issa]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

So you are a fan of individual justice I take.

Why are we having so many criminals in the country? Should they not be trialed case by case basis?

Why do we have so many whites? Since most mass shooters are whites?

 

[BrokeLoser]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

So you are a fan of individual justice I take.

Why are we having so many criminals in the country? Should they not be trialed case by case basis?

Why do we have so many whites? Since most mass shooters are whites?

Whites belong here...they built this nation. Our founders knew all along that you people would fuck the place up.
“The first statute in the United States to codify naturalization law. Alternately known as the Nationality Act, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person" who had been in the U.S. for two years. In effect, it left out indentured servants, slaves, and most women.”

 

[Issa]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

So you are a fan of individual justice I take.

Why are we having so many criminals in the country? Should they not be trialed case by case basis?

Why do we have so many whites? Since most mass shooters are whites?

Whites belong here...they built this nation. Our founders knew all along that you people would fuck the place up.
“The first statute in the United States to codify naturalization law. Alternately known as the Nationality Act, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person" who had been in the U.S. for two years. In effect, it left out indentured servants, slaves, and most women.”

Oh so you are a white supremacist now? Lol
Does your shit smell like roses?
Brownies are taking over deal with it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

So you are a fan of individual justice I take.

Why are we having so many criminals in the country? Should they not be trialed case by case basis?

Why do we have so many whites? Since most mass shooters are whites?

Whites belong here...they built this nation. Our founders knew all along that you people would fuck the place up.
“The first statute in the United States to codify naturalization law. Alternately known as the Nationality Act, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person" who had been in the U.S. for two years. In effect, it left out indentured servants, slaves, and most women.”

Oh so you are a white supremacist now? Lol
Does your shit smell like roses?
Brownies are taking over deal with it.

Haha...”Brownies” are like cockroaches...they’ll burn through all the local resources and then move along to spread their filth somewhere else...it’s what they do. As soon as the free shit starts to dry up here they’ll move to Canada and fuck their shit all up.

 

[Issa]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

So you are a fan of individual justice I take.

Why are we having so many criminals in the country? Should they not be trialed case by case basis?

Why do we have so many whites? Since most mass shooters are whites?

Whites belong here...they built this nation. Our founders knew all along that you people would fuck the place up.
“The first statute in the United States to codify naturalization law. Alternately known as the Nationality Act, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person" who had been in the U.S. for two years. In effect, it left out indentured servants, slaves, and most women.”

Oh so you are a white supremacist now? Lol
Does your shit smell like roses?
Brownies are taking over deal with it.

Haha...”Brownies” are like cockroaches...they’ll burn through all the local resources and then move along to spread their filth somewhere else...it’s what they do. As soon as the free shit starts to dry up here they’ll move to Canada and fuck their shit all up.

Oh and you gonna be a minority too prepare yourself. They might let you stay if you are not too racist or ship you back to Poland or another frigid country.

 

[Rustic]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

So you are a fan of individual justice I take.

Why are we having so many criminals in the country? Should they not be trialed case by case basis?

Why do we have so many whites? Since most mass shooters are whites?

...and progressive

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

That person isn't a DREAMer but what do facts matter anyway when you need to lie to make your case.

Let's pretend and say he was a DREAMer, ok so one persons action have an impact for everyone? You really want to go down that hole?

I'd normally say, don't be dumb, but we both know you don't have a choice.

He is no different than a dreamer. THEY ARE ALL ILLEGAL.

 

[deltex1]

So many experts on dreamers...whe no one even knows how many there are.